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Agreed. This is unfortunately a botch job. The sign of a good transplant is naturalness. How is anyone seriously in their right mind defending this work? The temples look very strange; like genuinely a different texture than the surrounding hair. It may need to stay shaved down. It also looks like you may be limited to a slicked back style. If that's your preference, that's completely fine, but if you want to comb it forward, I'm concerned that won't be possible.

FUT is only really worth it if the scar doesn't stretch and/or is minimized. If one is a Norwood 6/7, the extra 2 - 3k grafts can go a long way. It's the difference between a barren crown and one with some coverage. Majority of people aren't at those Norwoods, so FUE is probably the way to go. Lol @ the body hair suggestion though. They tend to look awful, pube-like even, except in rare exceptions (like Gatsby).

25 is really young man. I'd wait to see your final pattern given that you have aggressive hairloss. Otherwise, consult with Zarev - if there's any doctor who can fix this, it's him. Pitella and Eugenix are fine with these types of cases as well.

There's some cases where he takes 12k grafts from a NW7. I'm not entirely sure how it's possible. All his patient posted results are insane though

This is accurate. £3 a graft for someone who is paying in lira isn't all that different than, say, $15 a graft for an American. I do disagree that the US is the best for transplants though. So many mediocre doctors there -- don't think there are more than 5 worth visiting. It's not like it's easy to recover from American doctors either, and the medical system is madly overpriced. The only place that's even worse money for value is the UK because they're also overpriced, but somehow even worse. Turkey, like anywhere else in the world, only works if you do proper research and select a good doctor.

See below Favorite Five HT Doctors (not ordered except by last name) Couto Hattingen Konior Pinto Zarev Worst 1) Dr. D (from Bay Area)...$20k+ for imo a terrible scar, poor growth and hideous row implanting, which some patients claim is done by techs. No thanks. Lots of folks from other forums to this day call out HRN for keeping him on the recommended list for too long... Most Overrated 1) HLC. I don't really get why people like them so much when there are doctors at the same price point who are better and won't decimate your donor. Most Underrated 1) Pinto (deserves Couto status) Best Value 1) Laorwong, Nader and Pekiner. All are a $teal price-wise and their results are awesome.

Following up from 2022s edition found here: Added a few new lists. This year, instead of focusing on a bottom five, I figure I'd ask who -- in addition to your favorites -- you see as most overrated here, most underrated (slept on HRN - and perhaps deserves to be a member), and who provides best value for $$. Favorite Five HT Doctors* 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) Worst 1) Most Overrated 1) Most Underrated 1) Best Value 1)

If you ever see a "hair transplant guarantee" RUN far away. It's all marketing bs.

Zarev is a cut above the rest. He's very hard to get hold of, but his work is exceptional. Pitella is also producing great results. His prices are also the most reasonable of this group. H&W are a classic choice (and gives you the option to do both FUT and FUE) and have been around longest. Few weird outliers lately where they may not have been present for the entire surgery according to some patient testimonial... Hattingen is one of Europe's best (also offer FUT and FUE). My personal order for the above and Eugenix (at the present time) goes Zarev (top 3 worldwide) > Hattingen > H&W > Pitella > Eugenix.

there were many problems in that thread beyond poor growth lmao. they completely botched his donor - that isn't a skin issue, but a doctor's mistake.

Agreed. It's really weird -- Mwamba is one of the few elite doctors who seemingly has this issue recur again and again. Does it have something to do with the way he places the grafts? It's really unacceptable.

Pinto imo. Bisanga is really solid, but Pinto is exceptional right now. I love that he's so involved in every step of the procedure -- haven't seen a bad result from him yet.

What are you trying to fix and what is your norwood? Sethi is a solid doctor, but his decision-making strikes me as questionable. For example, he tends to be willing to sacrifice hump and crown coverage, and opts to use more grafts for temple points. It's fairly aggressive and seems more short-sighted when grafts may be needed for dipping humps.

Agreed. Most people who post results tend to post them in favorable lighting and its important to remember that hair tends to look worse in direct overhead lights or at night when it gets oily. Also, there's this weird trend here lately where folks post photos of their hair with fibers in...not sure how that's going to help anyone, but w/e.

you're in the early stages of diffuse thinning. See if you can take meds - it might get you solid regrowth.

Haddock's case is different though. His issue looked to me like egregious misangling and poor growth. (Ignoring the doctor's gaslighting as well) Etwan's growth looked very good from his first procedure. I think many in here just voiced concern around planning given his age. However, I don't think you can necessarily fault Eugenix for that, especially if the patient is aware of the risks and is willing to take more risk around future thinning to enjoy his hair in his 20s. In the end, he seems happy and we can support that -- even if the choices he's made aren't necessarily those we'd make for ourselves.

First congrats on hopefully a successful second procedure! Think if you were fine with the outcome before, this should be more than enough tide you over for the foreseeable future, assuming the same level of growth as the first operation (and there's no reason to think that it wont'). That said, I've got two questions. Do you have a sense of how many grafts you've got left for future use in the event that the crown expands? The reason I ask is that it looks like they've left a gap between the donor area and the transplanted hairs in the crown (similar to @Niko1s procedure, and I recall you mentioning that you wanted to avoid that). Think 900 grafts or so going to the front and temple points was, imo, a bit too aggressive for my personal taste, but tbf, I didn't think they'd be able to pull an additional 3,000 scalp hairs either. I wonder if they could have placed the 900 grafts there. My only worry in this case is that if there is a lack of donor hair for future expansion, beard grafts don't look good, especially when placed next to each other. Second, did the doctor promote or try and dissuade you from seeking to lower the hairline and add the temple points? I'm curious what their position was there for posterity sake. In any case, as you said, you felt like it was more important to aim for focusing on a better appearance for the now, and if you're on medication, you'll hopefully be able to retain what you've got to avoid future risks above.

pekiner >> bicer >> turan

Like most, I'm curious how you feel at the 1 year mark...

Hey - not yet. Waiting for this transplant to grow in before contemplating posting the results.

No different area. First transplant was front and midscalp. Second was crown exclusively.

There isn’t a single doctor doing high Norwoods as good as this guy. That said a top-down view of the crown would be helpful to assess “true” density.

I did a second transplant 9 months after my first. Assuming it isn’t transplanting the same area, if your doctor is comfortable with it, why not?

Not too late to take meds - it may prevent donor from thinning. Speak to your doctors and make an informed decision for you on whether stabilization and some possible regrowth outweigh being on those medications for life and the small likelihood, albeit possible, side-effects (fogginess, sexual, gyno). Diff doctors have diff preferences, some want you to be on Minoxidil (oral esp) and others Finnasterode and some on both. Doctors for this case are 100% Zarev or Pitella. Don’t bother with Darling Buds — he doesn’t compare to them. Bicer isn’t known/great for higher Norwoods either, even if I think she’s generally a very decent option in Turkey. Eugenix is okay, but it depends on budget. If you can afford $4+ dollars per graft (keeping in mind you’ll need a minimum of 6k grafts, probably more) stick to Zarev/Pitella. If you can’t pay that amount, I’d do a lower Eugenix package, but be careful with planning, especially for the crown area. You can also look into H&W, if you are fine going the FUT route for a mega-session. It may yield you additional lifetime grafts (2k average if you do FUT first and then FUE), but you’ll have to deal with an FUT scar. Best of luck!

Where are the people who said that it was rude of Bisanga to speak of another doctors work (in reference to Bansal)? Are they going to hold Eugenix to the same standard? That said, I partially agree with Eugenix’s assessment here. While the post transplant of Soni looks like it got good growth, it should look much dense for 4,000 grafts…I don’t see too many multiples in the hairline though. Also, it’s highly concerning that the doctor allegedly reneged on the repair price and wouldn’t stand by the work when the patient returned.