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Yeah I saw. Hasson says I still have a good donor area CONSIDERING how much I have harvested already of course. He estimates I can do a 15-1800 surgery with him and then still have 1000 left for the future to keep things natural so I'll go with that plan.

Lol yeah. Well we will see. Just gonna do a small procedure of 1500-1800 with hasson most likely in about a year. When I start that thread I'll link this one to it and vice versa.

"Art", especially in the context of any cosmetic surgery, is much more closely tied to natural science than you would think. There is a reason why certain hairlines, noses, lips, etc are perceived to be more aesthetic and "Natural" than others. Certain growth patterns of hairlines are found in nature and others simply are not. If someone has a hairline transplanted that is completely not like anything that would occur naturally in nature, I garuntee if you saw it you would be repulsed. This is our evolutionary psychology kicking in. The "artistry" of mimicking a natural and aesthtic hairline is based on what is found in nature and what is perceived as optimally attractive. Certain features are perceived to be more attractive than other features because of evolution. Evolutionary psychology/evolutionary biology or whatever you want to call it. We tend to find physical characteristics that signal physiological health and vitality as more attractive than physical characteristics that are a result of physiological disease or that *might* signal physiological disease...even if it actually doesn't. So yes, even the "design" of a hairline, which is often said to be the least scientific aspect of a hair transplant, is actually rooted in natural science. To address your statement that it is a game of protocols and probabilities, yes that's true. But so is any surgery. So is any prescription medication. Protocols and probabilities are everywhere in any scientifically based venture. This is non contradictory to something being based on scientific principles. And also the fact that there are lots of variation of blood supply to different individuals scalps and various people's physiologies have different thresholds of what they can withstand...how is this not in the realm of nature and reason? This is a matter to consider in any surgery...In any prescription of medication. That is exactly the scope of medicine and science. To understand nature and all its variances. Engineering, surgery design, and pharmacology all consider these variances in nature and work to design or solve a problem and manipulate nature to achieve a certain goal. Everything about our bodies are within nature and the realm of natural science. We are a physical system and everything about the methodological process of taking out hair cells from the back of our head and sticking them into the front of our head has the ability to be analyzed within the framework of reason and science. Even the process of optimizing the human element of the process of undergoing a team or non team based surgery has the capability of being analyzed with reason within the framework of understanding nature and processes, even man made ones, and how things work. This is the fundamental broad definition of science. Now, of course in doing a surgery you are not "doing" science. But everything about the procedure itself can be analyzed within the scope of nature and the scientific method. Also the only scientific literature I have seen has stated that yield is related to how densely hair follicles are transplanted not that it is related to how many total hair follicles are transplanted. I would be willing to bet that yield is much more closely related to how densely hairs are packed vs how many total hairs are transplanted. To demonstrate this, imagine both extremes. For the first case take 1000 hair follicles and transplant them all within 2cm^2 or as small an area that they can physically fit. There is not enough room for each follicle to have enough blood supply and settle in. It is unlikely that many will survive. Now for the 2nd case transplant 5000 grafts spread out globally across the entire head. I bet the yield on the 2nd case will be higher. This observation would be consistent with the idea that yield is more closely related to the density of transplanted follicles vs the total number of transplanted follicles. Q.E.D. Lol

I disagree. Literally everything about a hair transplant can be considered scientific. Even the "artistry" of it and I can explain why if you don't see it. Also, I have read a study that shows as you transplant more hair follicles per Sq cm the yield goes down. But i think I remember that the yield only goes down marginally and that the density to where it starts going down is already pretty dense. Meaning you can dense pack and still get 90+% yield as long as everything is done correctly

Yeah I've invested 30k across 2 hair transplants and am going to have to do another one for another 15k with hasson

Yeah I know it's a horrible result for how much hair I had and using 5000 grafts I can't believe how bad the yield was. I'm not going back to asmed they're putting out too many crappy yield results I'm probably going to go to hasson next year cuz he has a ton of great reviews online. And I actually am telling asmed that this is extremely poor considering where I started and that I had 5000 grafts for such marginal improvement. Since I am turning down the free touch up and they are going to be able to fill my alot with a new paying customer and they didn't come anywhere close to their 90% garuntee I think a partial refund is fair. This surgery was actually my 2nd hair transplant. So I've already had 2 extremely mediocre ones

Here are my official 11 months photos in the same standardized poses from the past year

So couto said he will need to see me in person to determine if I'm eligible and can do that for me next year and if I am eligible do the transplant within the same week. So it's between him and hasson for me. I love the results I see for couto and hes cheaper but with hasson the waitlist is short and he already determined in eligible and has so many good reviews on Google whereas couto has barely any reviews

Haha I wonder if there are any nose job forums cuz I'm doing that in a month. I'll post on this forum again for my next transplant and link it to my asmed thread

if I can fill in the patchiness and improve density along hairline and some thin slivers at the front of my temples then I'll be happy and I could even brush my hair back confidently which is my ideal style but right now I have to push it forward to cover my visible scalp. I think hasson will really be able to help me with that. The little change will make a huge impact on the shape of my forehead, face, and the overall perception/impression of my face.

Probably gonna be expensive as hell instead of 8 per graft by hasson it'll be 12 or 16 maybe? Haha. But even if it came out in just 5 years I'll be making a ton of money so I would still pay for it if it was that expensive and actually worked well.

Idk how far away we are from that and how much the cost or yield would be though and it doesn't matter as much when I'm 60 vs 27

Oh no im aware my donor is no longer optimal. Cuz I've had so many grafts used already. But it's not bad it could have been worse

Man I really got fucked over by my last 2 surgeries. Such low yield and so many grafts used.

Really I feel like it's still pretty decently dense. Dr hasson said I can probably use 15-1800 with him and still have 1000 left over. The area in red looks pretty thick and bushy

My donor area when a bit longer and bushier

Temple is still weak. There's no way around it. The change for 5000 grafts on my entire head is extremely low compared to changes others see with a good yield

And right here is bad too. Yeah man to back to the beginning of the thread

This area is very bad and getting it fixed will have a good impact

I don't even have that many follicles power Sq cm and especially considering I was not bald before the transplant. I look almost identical to how I looked pre the 5000 graft surgery

I disagree my scalp is way too visible

Coutos clinic said they will get back to me with their assessment this week

Just told my coordinator at asmed I'm canceling my free touch up because I don't feel comfortable potentially wasting more grafts with another low yield surgery. That I do see some good results and reviews on forums but I see too many mediocre ones for me to feel confident and that I will be going with another clinic.

It's such a shame having to deal with losing hair.