Rashid36

Well it's there for a reason

So why do clinics say the hair on the sides is dht resistant and will never fall out it is for life?

- Thanks to everyone, i respect there opinions in my case, - I'm willing to give the med a go if they would be of benefit to me but not everyone who has ht is on med ? - I will ask for a test session but i don't know if they would do this or how long it will delay things - I don't want a hair system due to my situation in life, it's a ht, smp or nothing - I will grow my hair and i think i get better response when i do. I trim my own hair using a beard trimmer so i don't know if its the way i use the machine etc Problem with letting it grow is it all gets uneven and white hair show alot too. - The hair is more thinning now. To be honest not doing anything is making me feel worse some days i want to take the risk and have it done even if i have more hair loss i hope that can be filled in with beard hair - I want anything better then i have at present. The way i'm looking at it now is anything can only improve how it looks so if i get more then that would be even great! -As Dr Wong said 'a significant cosmetic benefit can be achieved. Dr Wong would start with rebuilding the hairline and frontal zone working back into the mid scalp he will of course work back as far as possible. The hairline placement would be age appropriate and start at around 7 to 8cm in height from your brow and show the correct level of temple recession of that of an adult male. Judging from the photos this might be just above your where the lowest point of your hairline currently is. Starting the hairline too low in cases of advanced loss means that the area of coverage becomes even greater so a mature hairline that is suitable for your age and hair loss pattern must be designed this would include appropriate temple reconstruction The hairline would be dense packed to provide a frame for your face and styling options moving forward and the grafts would be densely packed throughout the hairline and frontal area into the mid scalp. The density will reduce through to the top of your scalp. How much if any crown coverage and density if possible will depend on how many grafts he can harvest in this session. Dr Wong expect that a second procedure will be possible to address the crown around 1 year after the first session should you require this although this will depend on your laxity. The donor hair on the sides looks to be below average will will dictate how many grafts can be harvested and you should work at your scalp exercises The first priority will be the front and mid scalp as the significant cosmetic impact will be felt with restoration of these areas.'

When i see your case harin my expectations get high but you knew what hair you had and had lost. It's looking like what Dr Lorenzo said might be my reality, Subject: Re: Help - Hair Transplant Dear Sir: With 35 yo you can?t say that your hair is stable. The safe area in your scalp is drawing a NW 6, and the hair in the mid and frontal area have signals of thinning, so, slower than your relatives, but have the same probabilities to be like them in 10 years. It's a pity that you can have the benefit of the medications, because that?s always help. If we focus in your crown, it?s a very big area, probably 150 cm2 (150 x45 grafts/cm= 6750 grafts). Only good donor areas can support that number of grafts (I can?t see the quality of your donor in those photos). We have examples of big alopecias treated by HT, but not all of them can be afford. Always need the help of the medication and a good donor area. Hope it helps. Regards Dr. Jose Lorenzo and Subject: Re: Help - Hair Transplant As I told you, I don’t think that your donor is safe: temporal areas with low coverage and retrograde alopecia in the nape. Bad signs that suggest that you will be a NW VII in the future. In my opinion and without the med’s is better to be as you are. Nizoral don’t help against alopecia. Minoxidil is useful but only 20% of the patients have some kind of benefit. No candidate for us, sorry. Regards Dr. Jose Lorenzo When i look in the mirrior i'm thinking Dr Lorenzo has hit the nail on the head!

Probably have to look to going abroad if you want it done properly. I've had a few consultations in London for smp. I was shown pictures on mobiles, printed pictures and told to look on the company webpage. I need to be really sure who would be doing the treatment if i chose this option as my front hair line would need to be re-created. I would need to know if the ink will change colour and when the ink will fade how it will look also if it would go completely ? No one can give me clear answers to these so i'm not having it done. It's like make up and will need to be touched up etc could cause me more stress than been bald. Not to mention the costs. It is one solution (new) to hair loss but i was reading the reality of someone who had it and he was saying how he has to shave everyday and how it looks if he didn't and the cost of razor blades and the reality of having this treatment like not been able to go in the sun, having to have top ups etc I try finding and posting the link.

I looking to go for face to face consultation. Due to past problems etc my libido is already down and i don't want to risk it further by taking med for hair loss and i don't know if they would be of any benefit at this stage of my hair loss as some doctors have said. Having said that i have started using monoxidil 5% but don't know which other non ht treatments i should do. A laser comb is mentioned but which one i need specific details / opinions on which products i can try and where to get them. Looking in the mirror i can see my hair on top thinning alot. The bridge is going and the scalp is showing more. The crown is gone and what is at the front is going too. I have noticed around winter time i loose more hair. I would like to know if a person is going towards norwood 6 with signs of norwood 7 but is 35 years of age should that person have or consider a transplant ? Should they wait till they draw norwood 7 then consider what donor hair they have with addition to beard hair and would that be enough to cover and maintain norwood 7 hair loss?

Many places just give a graft number and price but don't tell if a person is suitable or not or explain why. People don't like to be told they are not suitable and clinics want to make money. Please see the 3 pictures enclosed and let me know what you think, thanks

Don't go with them based on one picture ask top doctors abroad for there advice too

Yes, i need to go in person for consultation, thanks See the picture of how my hair used to be. I want to keep it short so mabe beard hair would not be so bad looking just to fill the crown. H&W can change there opinion if they saw me in person as anyone can. They also said i would need to start and be on med. I have to think of there cost and I don't think they do beard hair which i think i will need. Also the reliable doctors that said i can have a transplant all said i have limited donor and all said between 2000 to 3500 fue grafts and they all said start at the front. This is my main worry of future hair loss and what i would do then i mean if they can only get that number now give or take, it's still low?

I want to keep a sort of french crop hair style, short and all comb forward. If I had the front hairline done then smp in the crown i wonder how that would look. It seems to me the places offering me treatment want to do all of it in one go as much as possible to get max results. I hope that case happens to me but i could not see any before pictures in the link. It's a matter of having to travel out and see the top doctors ( I'm in London, UK) The second set of pictures (at normal height and no flash) i sent to H&W got the reply (the main point)below, Dear Rashid, Dr Wong has reviewed your photos and information and believes you are a suitable candidate for surgery and recommends that between 3500-4000 grafts by the FUT method should be possible in one session. A few factors associated with your donor area such laxity and density will ultimately dictate how many grafts can be harvested. If all factors all favorable, he would like to take as many as possible to exceed 4,000 grafts. You have a large area to cover so in your case, within reason, there is likely no number that is too big. He feels that even if the total number of follicular units does not exceed 4,000, a significant cosmetic benefit can be achieved. Dr Wong would start with rebuilding the hairline and frontal zone working back into the mid scalp he will of course work back as far as possible. The hairline placement would be age appropriate and start at around 7 to 8cm in height from your brow and show the correct level of temple recession of that of an adult male. Judging from the photos this might be just above your where the lowest point of your hairline currently is. Starting the hairline too low in cases of advanced loss means that the area of coverage becomes even greater so a mature hairline that is suitable for your age and hair loss pattern must be designed this would include appropriate temple reconstruction The hairline would be dense packed to provide a frame for your face and styling options moving forward and the grafts would be densely packed throughout the hairline and frontal area into the mid scalp. The density will reduce through to the top of your scalp. How much if any crown coverage and density if possible will depend on how many grafts he can harvest in this session. Dr Wong expect that a second procedure will be possible to address the crown around 1 year after the first session should you require this although this will depend on your laxity. The donor hair on the sides looks to be below average will will dictate how many grafts can be harvested and you should work at your scalp exercises The first priority will be the front and mid scalp as the significant cosmetic impact will be felt with restoration of these areas. Generally our recommendations are reasonably accurate but it must be clearly understood that we reserve the right to change these recommendations based on clinical examination of your particular scalp and hair characteristics.

It feels like a gamble, will one have further visible hair loss? if so how long 1 year 5 years, 10 years? In the mean time stay in between been not fully bald nor having good coverage all over! Do some have success without taking meds after a ht?

Same here, the thing is it's the individual who will have to live with it and the costs. I have been told there is no guarantee, trust us and one even said don't chicken out!

How long is temporary? When it fades will it loose colour? Also will it leave the scalp in all areas completely ?

What you say is the same as what Dr Lorenzo has said but, 1. I'm 35 years old and many have told me my hair loss maybe / seems to be stable, i don't know 2. I think i'm on norwood 5 so don't see how that is advanced but how much and how long further hairloss would be, i don't know 3. Some say i have low donor while others say they can get between 2000 to 4000 grafts with addition to beard hair, i don't know 4. Does Retrograde alopecia rule out ht, i don't know There is even a difference on if meds would be of benefit to me or not! (i'm using monoxidil)

I want front hair line back then mid scalp to cover thinning and the as much of the crown they can cover as possible

Yes, Dear Mr Rashid, Thank you for sending beard and body donor photos. See response to your inquiries below in blue: I want the best result so would want the best option. The best result would come from using the maximum number of grafts recommended. So a 10,000 grafts procedure would be better than a 5000 grafts procedure from the list of option provided to you (below). So go for option #4 9500-11000 grafts if you want the best possible result However many clinics and doctors have ruled me out as not been a suitable candidate. Also they say I dont have enough donor area to cover for now and future loss. One clinic said they can only take 600 grafts from beard? I provided you with several examples of patients with similar or even worse degree of hair loss that I have restored successfully in my email to you. I am the world's expert and perhaps the only clinic in the world with the skill, the specialized equipment (which are my inventions all patented) to consistently restore baldness like yours in a global coverage basis. So your consultation dialogue with any other clinic such as the one you have recounted would be irrelevant when you consult me. They most likely do not have the kind of expertise or equipment that I have nor do they have results like the ones shown to you in my previous email. Also, you can see on my website ~ 30 cases listed in 3 pages of successful restoration work done on NW6-7 patients in our clinic using my advanced UGraft system starting from as far back as 10 years ago. See the 3 pages here: https://www.dermhairclinic.com/before-and-after-gallery/nw-6-7-before-and-after/ Our work has been featured in major peer reviewed medical journals and news outlets such as the New York Times, MSNBC, Good Morning America, etc Let me know if you would like my office to assist you with the booking process and if you have any questions. Best regards S. Umar, MD, Scalp FUE and Body Hair Transplantation Inventor of the UGraft www.dermhairclinic.com FineTouch Dermatology Inc DermHair Clinic 819 North Harbor Drive, Suite 400 Redondo Beach, California 90277 Tel (310) 318-1500 or 1877-DERMHAIR Fax (310) 318-1590

I was wondering how much 1500 grafts would cover of the crown ? When i asked the clinic if that would be enough for my crown they said ' According to your head size it will be sufficient. If needed we can go for more 200-300 grafts.' (they will use more beard hair for the crown area)

I have had some doctors clinics tell me - i cannot have a transplant as i'm not a suitable candidate. I have a large area of hair loss and highly likely to loose more with low donor to keep up with demand. Would you have had HT if you knew you would loose hair like you have ? I have had alot of doctors/clinics tell me - i can have a transplant now without any mention of future hair loss The doctors who are willing to do my hair transplant are all not able to answer my questions related to further hair loss. I ask them, What about future hair loss? I'm worried if i have a transplant now and then loose further hair in future i will only have the transplanted hairs left, what can i do then? The answers i've had back are: We will give you Prp, we will give you medicine so you wont loose hair and most recently, 'We will do our best and pray for the best.'

Well I'm 35 years old now and some doctors have told me I'm not suitable for hair transplant While others have said my hair loss is stable now that I'm 35 years old. You are not the only one many places and clinics I went to for consultation did not tell me or bring to my attention future hair loss. I don't know what to do but recently was thinking of risking it and getting it done. Now i'm reading this and other posts and thinking again is it better to be safe then sorry? See my thread: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/182527-can-i-have-transplant.html

This is what i've been told but how long before the further loss? Which areas did you have the transplant? I guess one would never know how hair loss will progress? see my case; http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/182527-can-i-have-transplant.html

Hair and beard, possible treatment plan ?

Wow! I've been thinking of the worst that could happen 1. I get to the doctor then they decide i'm not suitable. 2. If the grafts don't hold 3. With more hair loss i dont have enough donor to cover. 4. Hair turns white/grey which probly will happen later 5. I spend some thousand pounds but not get a good result 6. The doctors and others who said no say we told you 7. I get more problems with having to sort things out The best that could happen 1. I have the first transplant the doctor does a great job and all goes well 2. I would be very happy right now i'm not 3. I have more than enough donor hair including beard hair to do further treatment when and if needed later on 4. Stop thinking so much about having the treatment or not 5. Gave it a go 6. All hair grows like harin case and i start to feel my age if not younger! If anyone can add to this please do

Finding the right place for smp is one thing then knowing if i could have it done as a filler is another i mean i dont know any reliable place where i can go. If it is temporary does that mean it will leave the scalp completely? The last thing i would want is patches of ink even if faded. What about harins case he had the same amount if not more hair loss ? a) I've tried shave and buzz cut it did not suit me at all b) Take a look at some recent pictures without a flash and at normal height with room light on. I don't think i could wear a hair system ontop (3 days growth on sides and back cut by trimmer clip no2) Also i just could not i mean my life style would not allow me too and i would get more bother from people around. I still have some hair on top of head looks less in pictures c) Thats what i've been doing nothing but in all truth i have to let you all know it's really bothering me probably more then if the hair transplant fail. I respect what the top doctors have told me but it's affecting me i dont feel good and i feel i look much older. I thank you all for your opinion and advice but i got some money to do 1 procedure to start. I don't know how much grafts give good coverage but i want to get the whole lot done. I don't want to take medicine too don't mind using monxidil. It's on my mind these days alot I've spent hours and hours reading up about hair loss and treatments i nearly got con but was saved i emailed doctors around the world got different opinions and advice come on this site alot too. Now I'm thinking its bothering me this much and there are some doctors who are willing to do the treatment, i should do something about it ?

If hair in the donor area was to turn white/grey would it turn white/grey if transplanted? What is the price range in pounds for a transplant needing about 6000 grafts? How would a repair be fixed? If further hair loss occured and the donor area and beard hair etc was used up what options will the person have then? Thanks

Well i have a large area to cover I put it on the big crown area and then some at the front once a day. However i got thinning all over my head but i don't want to use too much and get side effects?