Mod from reddit here, and account claiming to reprsent Dr Diep is threatening legal action, including taking down threads on HRN

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

Hi Gatsby,

Yup, that pretty much aligns with my experience. In my chat those are the only messages on there. And yeah, that's the only comment I see from you on there.

Did you say that we had a long chat before? If so, I'm not sure why they aren't showing up on chat but this is the first time hearing that you tried to contact me.

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

I just put out a statement clarifying that rule 2 protections have extended to all non-public members of the hair transplant community.

Thank you Melvin for bringing this up to my attention, which led to the rule improvement of my subreddit.

Although I can be criticized for banning someone about a rule before it's even created, I have given a 1 week temp ban to this user, and considering longer. I rarely ban, if you follow the thread on reddit I posted in the modsupport subreddit, you can some of the justifications why I don't ban often and if I do it's temp bans. The vast majority of the time they correct their behavior. But I also wanted to send a message that we should approach each other with empathy.

I can also be criticized for not going far enough. I know Melvin will be one of those people, and I will take in that criticism but I'll also say, look inwards.

Thank you Melvin for providing additional details of the IP reveal, it'll inform my statement, and if I do put out a statement, I provide that statement in it's full context, and like all statements about HRN, HRN will always be allowed to provide a statement that I'll gladly edit into my post.

[Gatsby]

1 minute ago, Wallaby_Upstairs said:

Hi Gatsby,

Yup, that pretty much aligns with my experience. In my chat those are the only messages on there. And yeah, that's the only comment I see from you on there.

Did you say that we had a long chat before? If so, I'm not sure why they aren't showing up on chat but this is the first time hearing that you tried to contact me.

I personally DM'd you to warn you about lopsided's harassing behavior towards Dr Bicer and her staff about another patient's results. I warned you that this could lead to legal action towards Lopsided and to you for condoning it on your forum. I was basically trying to help you. Your response to me was that on HRN (are you stalking me?) I am too supportive of Dr Bicer?? WTF? I told you that I'm also supportive of Eugenix (because of what they have done for me also). You ended up telling me that Lopsided was a valuable member of your forum and that their is nothing you can do without evidence. Anyone who has known me long enough would know that I am not making this up. You finished off with stating that you need evidence. Well since you and Lopsided have deleted a lot of evidence that's pretty hard. As to your offer of me being a moderator on reddit you would sooner find an honest man in parliament before seeing my name affiliated with reddit. I have my balls, my hair and my word and I will never sell those for anything.

Now I'm at work and I don't have time (nor will I be wasting anymore of my time) on this. I won't be replying/responding (stalking?), etc. I don't have the time! I will leave the fate of you and Lopsided to you.

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

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"I personally DM'd you to warn you about lopsided's harassing behavior towards Dr Bicer and her staff about another patient's results. "

Yeah, like I mentioned, the only messages I see in our chat are the ones I sent you, and that you posted a screen shot of. I am unable to find any DMs like what you describe to me.

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" Your response to me was that on HRN (are you stalking me?) I am too supportive of Dr Bicer?? WTF? "

That doesn't sound familiar to me. Can you link where I said that? I am not familiar with Bicer one way or another. I'm having a hard time imagining any context where I would say that. 
 

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"You ended up telling me that Lopsided was a valuable member of your forum and that their is nothing you can do without evidence. "

Again, can you link me the discussion? Evidence for what?

 

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"Well since you and Lopsided have deleted a lot of evidence that's pretty hard. "

That doesn't sound like anything I would do. Can you link to me where you think this happened? Mods can't delete comments, only remove them. Anything that was removed can be re instated. Perhaps it was another moderator. Please send me a link so that we can get to the bottom of this.

But even though mods can remove comments, they still appear in your user profile. When I got to your user profile, your only single comment that you linked are there. So no moderator on any subreddit has every removed your comment.

Also, I don't believe lopsided is a moderator, like, anywhere. He can't delete your comments.

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"As to your offer of me being a moderator on reddit you would sooner find an honest man in parliament before seeing my name affiliated with reddit. I have my balls, my hair and my word and I will never sell those for anything. "

Okay thank you for your consideration.

There seems to be a disconnect between what you're saying. It seems to me you may have gotten mixed up at some point. Stalking??

I have great respect for you, you have a high volume of helpful and informative comments, and I appreciate every hour you put into the community. I understand that you have too many good things going on to spend more time on this. I appreciate the efforts to bring things to my attention but so far my guess is that you got mixed up at some point.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Wallaby_Upstairs

[Gatsby]

2 minutes ago, Wallaby_Upstairs said:

That doesn't sound familiar to me. Can you link where I said that? I am not familiar with Bicer one way or another. I'm having a hard time imagining any context where I would say that.

THAT IS A LIE! You've just sold your credibility with me for good!

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

2 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

THAT IS A LIE! You've just sold your credibility with me for good!

I really don't have a strong opinion on Bicer. Again, if you could just link me where the issue occurred, I would love to wrap my head around where you are coming from. But at the moment, so you seem to be coming from a different reality, and you probably perceive that way about my comments too.

Lets link where the issue occurred, so that we can resolve the disconnect. But it's impossible without going to the facts and source. You have looked at your account and seen what's there. It seems that you are in a state of mind where you are not believing anything I say, but maybe I can convince that I definitely 100% can not delete chat messages. It's totally impossible I believe on any platform.

[Gatsby]

So you are saying that I never sent you a personal DM about Lopsided's behavour and that you are also denying you replied to me? Just yes or no?

[Gatsby]

Be very careful with your response. Because I am going to find those DM's between you and I and I will be posting them. I take kindly to liars as much as I do to the hair mills!!!!!! So did I contact you via a reddit DM and did you reply? You have offered me a position as a moderator so it would be hard to forget such an easy question?

Edited March 10, 2023 by Gatsby

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

2 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

So you are saying that I never sent you a personal DM about Lopsided's behavour and that you are also denying you replied to me? Just yes or no?

I'm saying I haven't been able to find anything. Like you saw in our chat, there's only the four messages I sent you. Just in case somehow somewhere there are other messages, can you send me a message. It might push the chain through and we might be able to see everthing. But I'm looking at our chat box, and there's only the 3 messages I send you.

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

3 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

Be very careful with your response. Because I am going to find those DM's between you and I. I take kindly to liars as much as I do to the hair mills!!!!!!

I do not like being on your bad side, but anything that we can do to find the source of our interactions. I feel that there is a big disconnect. I would like to clarify things. But yeah, like you posted the screen shot of, my 3 messages to you are the only thing in our chat history.

Perhaps there are other DMs, and if you reply to one of them, it will appear on the whole thing.

I appreciate your attitude toward hair mills.

For those out of the loop, on Reddit, a moderator can not delete comments, just remove them from their own subreddit. Mods are always able to see a copy of the comments, and well as the users. If you go to Gastby's reddit profile, he only has a single comment. Furthermore, you can can use tools like unddit, removeddit and others to see any mod removed comments directly on the subreddit, so you get moderator view. Again, no removed comments from Gatsy's profile in the thread he commented on.

Don't need to take my word for it, any other subreddit will verify.

[Melvin- Admin]

I’m definitely not above reproach. I could have handled the Diep situation better. Hindsight is always 20/20. I’m not afraid to say I’m wrong, if I’m wrong. 

In my 5 years of moderating this wonderful community I’ve made mistakes. No doubt about it. I’ve had the privilege to be mentored by @Pat - Community Publisher someone who’s been doing this for 20+ years and has seen it all and made plenty of mistakes himself. 

The saying “one bad apple, spoils a bunch” is absolutely true in a community such as this one, and others online. You have to pull weeds for a garden to flourish.  

@Wallaby_Upstairs you’re completely anonymous. No pictures of you anywhere that I’m aware of. So I’m sure it’s hard to imagine, but please try to imagine putting yourself out there in a place that is supposed to be a safe space to be vulnerable, among others who share a similar vulnerability. Imagine someone using that vulnerability to be disrespectful to prove a point or because they don’t like a certain clinic. 
 

Patients are not clinics. If you’re taking pictures of a patient and saying something disparaging to throw a dig at a clinic, you’re doing nothing to the clinic. Sure they may be annoyed, the person who suffers is the patient, not the clinic.  
 

I have received further messages that Jim has done this on multiple occasions. I’m waiting for more links and screenshots. I would seriously request you reconsider your position. 
 

As for @Gatsby I recall him telling me that he messaged the mod about Jims behavior. I will try and find the screenshots.

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

Quick update,

I was wondering if there are multiple private threads possible for the same user. It would explain the DM disconnect between me and Gatsby but not the other stuff. But it would be start. I just went back three months of my messages, when Gatsby first made his comment, and I don't see any other thread from him. Again, the only thing that was in there was what he posted a screen shot of.

[Gatsby]

[Gatsby]

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

1 minute ago, Gatsby said:

Gatsby, thank you so much for taking the time to find that!

Now for the explanation:

That's not me.

That's another moderator named FUEUF. Look at the top of the chat, it's a completely different user name.

There's 4 moderator, the head mod Droog_uk, gokiburi_sandwhich, the one in your chat, and me.

This is why it's so important to go to the link of the source so that we can establish a factual timeline. There was a mixup between me and another moderator.

Thanks god it turned this way. It really seemed that you were ready to never speak to me again. This resolution almost didn't happen.

 

[Melvin- Admin]

@Gatsby mistaken identity, you did in fact message a mod, but not @Wallaby_Upstairs

looks like this is some new mod. Finding good Moderators is hard, that’s why handing out modship to anyone who posts is never a good idea. The response wasn’t very good, looks like there was zero investigation, and more of an accusation.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Melvin- Moderator

[Pbaird98]

Wow this thread has been a roller coaster 😯 seems like a after shock of the Diep thread/poll and subsequent removal. 

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

Thanks @Melvin- Moderator what you wrote was well written.

Please DM me anything you have a problem with on Reddit because I don't go here as frequently. But I will absolutely take a look at anything you share with me

[Pbaird98]

@Rafael Manelliapperantly we are one and the same person, according to a recent thread on Reddit I noticed when checking out all the above posts… not sure where you’re from but hello from London 😂

Edited March 10, 2023 by Pbaird98

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

2 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

@Gatsby mistaken identity, you did in fact message a mod, but not @Wallaby_Upstairs

looks like this is some new mod. Finding good Moderators is hard, that’s why handing out modship to anyone who posts is never a good idea.

 

May I suggest Gatsy? He thoroughly rejected my offer today, you have no competition.

[Wallaby_Upstairs]

btw, I am not the head moderator, droog_uk is. As far I know, he is the only one with full mod privileges on that site. I only relatively recently got the ability to ban people.

[Rafael Manelli]

4 minutes ago, Pbaird98 said:

@Rafael Manelliapperantly we are one and the same person, according to a recent thread on Reddit I noticed when checking out all the above posts… not sure where you’re from but hello from London 😂

What on earth are you talking about? I literally have no other accounts on any hair related media and never have, who is talking about me of all people, on reddit of all places? Bizarre! Do you have a link or screenshot you could send me? 

[Gatsby]

@Wallaby_Upstairs is that moderator position still available?🤭 My sincere apologies to you both personally and publicly. I wasn’t aware that reddit has multiple moderators. But you can see that this moderator should have done the right thing. Again apologies for my misguided comments to you. To be honest if people would just show their face if they have nothing to hide things would be a lot easier. All the best. 

[Melvin- Admin]

1 minute ago, Wallaby_Upstairs said:

May I suggest Gatsy? He thoroughly rejected my offer today, you have no competition.

I would absolutely take gatsby, he’s a pillar of the community. I don’t think he would ever want anyone accusing him of doing anything for money. Looks like the other mod insinuated it already. 

[AlexMeister21]

This could make a good episode in South Park where a bunch of bald people from two groups are arguing with each other and then the surgeon, aka Diep, tries to sneak away quietly in the background but then the bald guys notice a money trail of cash falling out from the surgeon's lab coat and then they all collectively realize who the real enemy is and band together in releasing their frustrations on the surgeon with fists and kicks.