Vera Clinic in Turkey - any thoughts?

[Norwood]

Hello guys,

I searched the forums and didn't find any results for this clinic. Their before/after results look good and they're pretty cheap (quoted me 3,250 euros for 4000 grafts and above). However, I am skeptical after reading reviews on reddit that suggest that they may be a hair mill (treat several patients daily) and that a patient only ever sees the doctor once. Moreover, their doctors are practically unknown. I wonder whether their doctors consider critical factors, such as, angle of transplant and donor area management. And if they do, how good they are at it. If anyone has had experience with them, please share your thoughts. Thank you.

[RTC]

Hair mill

 

I literally saw two cases today on reddit where the guys were over-harvested, one for 7k grafts!!!!!!!

[Melvin- Admin]

I suggest taking a look at our forum recommended doctors. Dr. Turan and Dr. Bicer are good alternatives to the hair mills. 

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/best-hair-transplant-surgeons

[Norwood]

1 hour ago, Aslitarcan sucks said:

Hair mill

 

I literally saw two cases today on reddit where the guys were over-harvested, one for 7k grafts!!!!!!!

Omg, thanks for the info!

1 hour ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I suggest taking a look at our forum recommended doctors. Dr. Turan and Dr. Bicer are good alternatives to the hair mills. 

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/best-hair-transplant-surgeons

Thanks man! I have seen their before/after results and don't think they'd work for me.

I saw your video on youtube. I am a Norwood 6 as well. I consulted Eugenix and got quotes from them. They recommended 5200 grafts. An appointment with Dr. Pradeep (or Dr. Arika) would cost me USD27k!!! So, I told them that I would have to save money for a few years to afford that 😂

Other packages that they have offered me are with Eugenix Trained Doctors (~USD 6K) or with Senior Eugenix Trained Doctors (~9.5K). Although it's the same clinic, I doubt that I'll get Dr. Pradeep like results with these cheaper options. Any thoughts?

Although, my hair loss situation is negatively affecting my personal life, I am willing to bear the depression for a few years and save up to spend tons of money because I want the best surgery. But if the cheaper options at Eugenix can deliver similar results, I would go for it right now.

Btw, I am in Canada. The best surgeons here (H&W and Rahal) are super expensive too. However, I think Dr. Pradeep is at another level. The guys knows his stuff inside out. I haven't seen anyone achieve such remarkable transformations.

 

[Gokuhairline]

theres this guy who documented his journey i think his name is amir look him on on youtube, detailed review. 

[THE TRUTH]

Vera is a hairmill. 

Certainly not the worst  but it's a gamble. 

I've seen very good results but also cases of pretty badly overharvested donor areas. 

You may get lucky but you may also get your donor area permanently damaged for life. 

The Vera clinic has many different teams of technicians. Some are much more experienced than others. You never know who you gonna get. 

If you care about your hair and you have already significant hairloss then I honestly don't think Vera is worth the risk...

I mean what if you get a bad donor management ? You gonna have to go a repair expert in western Europe and that'll cost you 10-15 000€....

There is this youtuber Amir who got a good result from them. 

I guess he was offered a discount or the surgery for free in exchange of documenting the process. 

But when youtubers go to a particulae clinic and advertise them they are generally given the very best team of nurses. Not the case with the average Joe. So you can't draw conclusions based on that and expect to get the same result...

[Gatsby]

8 hours ago, Norwood said:

Their before/after results look good and they're pretty cheap (quoted me 3,250 euros for 4000 grafts and above).

Honestly it's a recipe for a disaster. Have a look at Dr Bicer's results.

[NARMAK]

8 hours ago, Norwood said:

Omg, thanks for the info!

Thanks man! I have seen their before/after results and don't think they'd work for me.

I saw your video on youtube. I am a Norwood 6 as well. I consulted Eugenix and got quotes from them. They recommended 5200 grafts. An appointment with Dr. Pradeep (or Dr. Arika) would cost me USD27k!!! So, I told them that I would have to save money for a few years to afford that 😂

Other packages that they have offered me are with Eugenix Trained Doctors (~USD 6K) or with Senior Eugenix Trained Doctors (~9.5K). Although it's the same clinic, I doubt that I'll get Dr. Pradeep like results with these cheaper options. Any thoughts?

Although, my hair loss situation is negatively affecting my personal life, I am willing to bear the depression for a few years and save up to spend tons of money because I want the best surgery. But if the cheaper options at Eugenix can deliver similar results, I would go for it right now.

Btw, I am in Canada. The best surgeons here (H&W and Rahal) are super expensive too. However, I think Dr. Pradeep is at another level. The guys knows his stuff inside out. I haven't seen anyone achieve such remarkable transformations.

 

Firstly in regards to cost, i do know Eugenix are amongst the higher priced clinics in India but partially that's down to their popularity with international patients at present based on their results and arguably the quick rise of Dr Pradeep and Dr Arika via places like this and exposure from a certain HT YouTube channel by a person we can't really name on the forum. 

I would say in the high Norwood cases, you would probably want the assurances of those named doctors perhaps but i was a Norwood 2 and chose the Exclusive Package with Dr Das 

7 hours ago, Gokuhairline said:

theres this guy who documented his journey i think his name is amir look him on on youtube, detailed review. 

His results looked good, but given the amount of exposure that he got for them on YouTube and how he documented it, likely he had a little more care taken on him. I wouldn't use his as an example. 

Personally i trust more general patient results from people on here and Vera clinic or probably 98% of places in Turkey seem to run more on a hair mill model. 

That said, i will say something a little controversial. If a clinic can highly train technicians and retain them over many years to specialise in each are they work in, their reliance actually isn't a bad thing and will help you achieve great results as long as a Dr is leading the procedure with slit making etc. and overall supervision. 

I feel like Eugenix are kind of trying to aim for this model but the problem they have just as a perceived hair mill typically does is that technicians are largely nameless individuals and only the clinic would truly know what experience these people working on you have. 

That's why even though it's impractical for a single surgeon to do every single extraction at times, people want that high level involvement but then inevitably that leads to the costs. However, with Eugenix it doesn't seem to be the case that primary doctors are involved to that level and neither does it seem to be the case in a lot of other places with a high reputation. We just go on the assumption that the clinic does have a highly trained team of technicians working on you that day. 

Eugenix for example don't have any way for you to identify whether all 100% of techs who worked on you were senior technicians or not. It's almost a matter of faith too. 

Again, not to call them out or anything. I went there myself and everybody was super nice but there's little things here and there imo that if tweaked give more reassurance however we ultimately all have to operate on faith we made the right choice. I feel Eugenix was the only place for me and now i am just going to wait another 11 months hopefully to see how it all comes together. 

[RTC]

26 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

and exposure from a certain HT YouTube channel by a person we can't really name on the forum. 

 

????

[Fue3361]

At your Norwood level, have you checked out Dr. Pittella from Brazil?  I doubt he's anywhere near as expensive as 27k USD.  Probably around 10-15k for your case (I'm just guessing here).

[NARMAK]

1 hour ago, Aslitarcan sucks said:

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Basically if you write his name, the forum changes it to his initials only. JT. 

He does a YouTube thing with Spencer Kobren. You'll likely know who i mean now. That's basically how i first came across Eugenix and then a short while later looking into reviews found this forum. 

Personally it seems like you have to take things with a big grain of salt no matter where you seem to go for information when money is involved. Recently he was promoting ASMED for example and they have had some pretty poor independent reviews recently. 

[sukh123]

2 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

Basically if you write his name, the forum changes it to his initials only. JT. 

He does a YouTube thing with Spencer Kobren. You'll likely know who i mean now. That's basically how i first came across Eugenix and then a short while later looking into reviews found this forum. 

Personally it seems like you have to take things with a big grain of salt no matter where you seem to go for information when money is involved. Recently he was promoting ASMED for example and they have had some pretty poor independent reviews recently. 

Joseph tillman

Edited July 3, 2022 by sukh123

[NARMAK]

7 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Joseph tillman

JT

Well, perhaps that's one way to circumvent it but when i typed JT it reverts to JT

EDIT

See, write it like that and it becomes initials lol. 

Edited July 3, 2022 by NARMAK

[sukh123]

11 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

JT

Well, perhaps that's one way to circumvent it but when i typed JT it reverts to JT

EDIT

See, write it like that and it becomes initials lol. 

Why is that , this is something that would happen in china lol

[botchedguy95]

15 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

Basically if you write his name, the forum changes it to his initials only. JT. 

He does a YouTube thing with Spencer Kobren. You'll likely know who i mean now. That's basically how i first came across Eugenix and then a short while later looking into reviews found this forum. 

Personally it seems like you have to take things with a big grain of salt no matter where you seem to go for information when money is involved. Recently he was promoting ASMED for example and they have had some pretty poor independent reviews recently. 

ASMED pay people like tillman and forum moderators (not this forum) to promote only the positives and hide the negatives

[sukh123]

4 minutes ago, botchedguy95 said:

ASMED pay people like tillman and forum moderators (not this forum) to promote only the positives and hide the negatives

Where your evidence for that ? I think the real reason is this forum doesn’t want to send any traffic to Joseph Tillman’s YouTube channel which is similar in content to this forums YouTube channel. Trying to sabotage a competitor lol

Edited July 3, 2022 by sukh123

[NARMAK]

36 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Why is that , this is something that would happen in china lol

I can't comment on that, but like any place that's operated by a private entity, they have a framework of rules on what content they do and do not want. That can include discussion around specific people or topics.

I'm sure there's a reason, but i don't care about it to act like that's a hill to metaphorically die on. 

31 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Where your evidence for that ? I think the real reason is this forum doesn’t want to send any traffic to Joseph Tillman’s YouTube channel which is similar in content to this forums YouTube channel. Trying to sabotage a competitor lol

It's basically common knowledge that anybody paid for promoting something isn't going to dig up negatives to say. In fact, they're going to usually downplay or dismiss them. 

Never underestimate what people will do when you threaten to reduce their livelihood even if its on a valid basis. 

[THE TRUTH]

Joseph Tillman used to be one of the best and most reliable sources of information in regards to hair transplants. I'm sure he has helped thousands of guys. 

However I gotta say that I am EXTREMELY DISSAPOINTED since he started working with ASMED....

I just couldn't believe it but every man has a price. 

Asmed is terrible. We all know it very well and I am sure Joseph Tillman knows it better than anybody else yet he accepted  to get paid for promoting them....

I was a long time follower of his youtube channel and listener of the Bald Truth show with Spencer but recently I unsubcribed.