Considering A Chest To Scalp Transplant

[mustang]

On 9/26/2020 at 9:35 PM, Gabreille Nelson Mukhia said:

Chest hair will have very low survival rates. You can also forego another procedure. It looka fine according to me. Finasteride intake could help further. 

Completely untrue

I had over 90% graft survival from chest. It depends on the protocol and skill of the surgeon.

[mustang]

10 hours ago, transplantedphil said:

yeah looks like your donor is close to the end. although in your favour there doesnt seem to be much scarring. so youve had around 6000 grafts total?

not recommending it at all, but this guy did a thing called fit farming where he replaced his depleted donor with bodyhair. just so youre aware you have more options

 

Why are you not recommending it at all?

I had an excellent result on my first pass and have extended my donor from a depleted one to one that can be grafted for another 1.000 grafts.

You can't tell what is BHT and what is native donor hair on my donor.

[DonnyJ]

23 hours ago, mustang said:

Completely untrue

I had over 90% graft survival from chest. It depends on the protocol and skill of the surgeon.

I’d like to pick your brain a bit:

- where on your scalp did you have your chest grafts placed?

- How many 1’s vs 2’s were you able to extract?

- have you experienced any “recipient influence” (chest hairs taking on characteristics of the surrounding scalp hairs) over time?

- any noticeable visual difference between scalp & chest hair now that it’s transplanted?

- how long can those hairs grow now?

- do you have a thread/photos strictly showing the chest hair results? (I.e., did you have a strictly-chest session & have before / after photos of it)?

- how long did your chest take to heal post-op? I hear it may take a bit longer than when extracting from scalp donor. Any lingering visible scarring?

- any recommendations for myself on how to proceed on my journey?

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by DonnyJ

[mustang]

On 9/28/2020 at 3:56 AM, transplantedphil said:

not recommending it as in "not intentional depleting your donor"

EDIT: 90% survival rate for chest hair is really impressive! the average clinic struggles to do that consistently just with scalp hair

The average do a very poor job then. Check Couto, Freitas, Lorenzo, Vila and Pinto. 

Consistent 99% growth, I say 99% cause I don't dare to say 100. I had surgery with 3 of them. With one BHT specialized doctor we did a test batch of 60 BHT in one zone with tissue scaring (not ideal for growth). All 60 grew. 

With another reputable doctor I had 500 BHT into my donor area, all grew. I also had BHT into my crown by another reputable doctor and it looks perfect. 

So the average clinic yes, they struggle to maintain 90%

A good/excellent surgeon in normal conditions will systemically achieve above 95% growth, they have hundreds upon the hundreds of cases documented now with videos on youtube and the spanish forum. You can type FUEXPERT on Youtube or Freitas Clinic.

[mustang]

On 9/28/2020 at 12:28 PM, DonnyJ said:

I’d like to pick your brain a bit:

- where on your scalp did you have your chest grafts placed?

- How many 1’s vs 2’s were you able to extract?

- have you experienced any “recipient influence” (chest hairs taking on characteristics of the surrounding scalp hairs) over time?

- any noticeable visual difference between scalp & chest hair now that it’s transplanted?

- how long can those hairs grow now?

- do you have a thread/photos strictly showing the chest hair results? (I.e., did you have a strictly-chest session & have before / after photos of it)?

- how long did your chest take to heal post-op? I hear it may take a bit longer than when extracting from scalp donor. Any lingering visible scarring?

- any recommendations for myself on how to proceed on my journey?

 

 

Chest hair is fine and has a low coverage value. I used it mainly to repair my donor and some on zone 3 

Most were singles

No, they still look different but I can't tell. They are surrounded by either native hair or FUE transplanted grafts. It's impossible to see if you blend them but when one falls out you can tell it's different.

No

They grow to the same length as the rest of my hair but I cut it at 4cm. I don't know what would happen if I let my hair grow longer but it would be irrelevant as they would still be there providing coverage (more density on the scalp)

I have photos of the chest hairs and beard hairs into my donor area, that is purely chest and beard.

It heals within 2 days. Crazy fast. At 4 days you can't tell anything has been done. No scaring. 

Best BHT doctors in Europe are Mwamba and Ozgur at Hairline Clinic. Mwamba did my donor repair and has a clinic in Atlanta as well

 

 

[mustang]

What I would do if I were you would be to get 2-3k extracted from a REPUTABLE TOP surgeon (don't waste any more grafts) into your hairline and crown and then do a couple of sessions of fit farming (BHT into FUE scars) on your donor area.

My hair and donor looked exactly like yours. I have transplanted over 10K now and have had 2K fit farming into my donor.

You want to use your chest hair on your donor to make it seem homogeneous and use all the doubles and triples from your donor you can get to achieve density on your scalp.

This is what I did. A last step would be to do SMP and you are done.

Look at my case "Mustang BHT into FUE scars, Mwamba" 

[Melvin- Admin]

2 hours ago, mustang said:

The average do a very poor job then. Check Couto, Freitas, Lorenzo, Vila and Pinto. 

Consistent 99% growth, I say 99% cause I don't dare to say 100. I had surgery with 3 of them. With one BHT specialized doctor we did a test batch of 60 BHT in one zone with tissue scaring (not ideal for growth). All 60 grew. 

With another reputable doctor I had 500 BHT into my donor area, all grew. I also had BHT into my crown by another reputable doctor and it looks perfect. 

So the average clinic yes, they struggle to maintain 90%

A good/excellent surgeon in normal conditions will systemically achieve above 95% growth, they have hundreds upon the hundreds of cases documented now with videos on youtube and the spanish forum. You can type FUEXPERT on Youtube or Freitas Clinic.

Do you have a thread of your results?

[Curious25]

Interesting thread to read through. 

Just to chime in briefly, I think its a great platform on here to get ideas/inspiration from other members of the options you have - but ultimately, I'd warrant Dr K's opinions and assessments to be worth their weight in gold, and I imagine he will see you right. By all means, I'd encourage you to take to the table the ideas you have already, or have got from people on here, and quiz him thoroughly on the feasibility, likely outcomes, etc. of certain techniques - but be sure to already have in your head what your goals are, so you can set out the eventual plan according to whatever they may be. 

For what its worth - your beard looks like it will provide quite alot of grafts, and a decent coverage value, I really wouldn't worry about any colour contrast that there may be - alot of people have colour contrast between different areas of their scalp hair, it will blend in, and not stand out to the naked eye - and hey, it's better than seeing scalp right? 

I also wouldn't be massively discouraged by some of the more apprehensive comments on here regarding your chest hair as a donor source. Techniques, knowledge and understanding of utilising body hair is a rapidly growing area of hair restoration, and there are certain doctors across the globe who are taking more of a direct interest into these methods, and specialising in these procedures.

I am quietly confident that better utilisation of body and beard hair is going to be the next step in improving hair restoration. Look how far FUE has came in the last 10 years - and look at how far hair transplants in general have came in the last 20. Its night and day. 

Please keep us all updated with what route you choose, wishing you the best. 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Curious25
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[Hairgain22]

On 9/27/2020 at 12:36 PM, DonnyJ said:

I would think you still got at least 1,000 grafts in your donor supply.

[DonnyJ]

3 hours ago, Hairgain22 said:

I would think you still got at least 1,000 grafts in your donor supply.

Interesting.  That's a fair contrast to some of the other opinions in here.  Based on how it feels when growing it out (it's not always this short), I believe it to be borderline.  That said, I believe I could still extract *some* and be happy, but need to plan accordingly. Appreciate the input.

[DonnyJ]

3 hours ago, Curious25 said:

Interesting thread to read through. 

Just to chime in briefly, I think its a great platform on here to get ideas/inspiration from other members of the options you have - but ultimately, I'd warrant Dr K's opinions and assessments to be worth their weight in gold, and I imagine he will see you right. By all means, I'd encourage you to take to the table the ideas you have already, or have got from people on here, and quiz him thoroughly on the feasibility, likely outcomes, etc. of certain techniques - but be sure to already have in your head what your goals are, so you can set out the eventual plan according to whatever they may be. 

For what its worth - your beard looks like it will provide quite alot of grafts, and a decent coverage value, I really wouldn't worry about any colour contrast that there may be - alot of people have colour contrast between different areas of their scalp hair, it will blend in, and not stand out to the naked eye - and hey, it's better than seeing scalp right? 

I also wouldn't be massively discouraged by some of the more apprehensive comments on here regarding your chest hair as a donor source. Techniques, knowledge and understanding of utilising body hair is a rapidly growing area of hair restoration, and there are certain doctors across the globe who are taking more of a direct interest into these methods, and specialising in these procedures.

I am quietly confident that better utilisation of body and beard hair is going to be the next step in improving hair restoration. Look how far FUE has came in the last 10 years - and look at how far hair transplants in general have came in the last 20. Its night and day. 

Please keep us all updated with what route you choose, wishing you the best. 

Thanks, Curious!  I whole heartedly agree w/ the DrK comment -- I trust his word to the highest degree.  I entered this thread seeking chest->scalp knowledge, and I believe I've gotten quite a bit more out of the comments here.  Appreciate everyone's input!

 

At this time, I would prefer to have an in-person consult with DrK again, to perform a thorough evaluation to determine how much of the mid / crown is txp hairs today + thoughts on the quality of my chest / beard hair, prior to scheduling another procedure.  There's only so much detail you can obtain via photos/email.  Despite this delaying any future procedures, I believe it's the smartest path to ensure I have a solid, realistic, plan.

 

I'll be sure to keep everyone posted down the line.  Truly appreciate all of the