DonnyJ

@1978matt curious what you did for in this thread:

Thoughts on what the best way is to cut your hair if needing to buzzcut your crown for a procedure but not wanting to buzz the entire head? The idea would be to have something that you can grow back into quickly. My searches have come up empty for examples of what people have gone with.

Thanks, Curious! I whole heartedly agree w/ the DrK comment -- I trust his word to the highest degree. I entered this thread seeking chest->scalp knowledge, and I believe I've gotten quite a bit more out of the comments here. Appreciate everyone's input! At this time, I would prefer to have an in-person consult with DrK again, to perform a thorough evaluation to determine how much of the mid / crown is txp hairs today + thoughts on the quality of my chest / beard hair, prior to scheduling another procedure. There's only so much detail you can obtain via photos/email. Despite this delaying any future procedures, I believe it's the smartest path to ensure I have a solid, realistic, plan. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted down the line. Truly appreciate all of the

Interesting. That's a fair contrast to some of the other opinions in here. Based on how it feels when growing it out (it's not always this short), I believe it to be borderline. That said, I believe I could still extract *some* and be happy, but need to plan accordingly. Appreciate the input.

I’d like to pick your brain a bit: - where on your scalp did you have your chest grafts placed? - How many 1’s vs 2’s were you able to extract? - have you experienced any “recipient influence” (chest hairs taking on characteristics of the surrounding scalp hairs) over time? - any noticeable visual difference between scalp & chest hair now that it’s transplanted? - how long can those hairs grow now? - do you have a thread/photos strictly showing the chest hair results? (I.e., did you have a strictly-chest session & have before / after photos of it)? - how long did your chest take to heal post-op? I hear it may take a bit longer than when extracting from scalp donor. Any lingering visible scarring? - any recommendations for myself on how to proceed on my journey?

curious about this as well, but also want to provide some add'l context on the photo: this was wet + i combed everything vertically "up" + was in direct sunlight (basically: the worst of the worst of the worst for a photo op..which was the intention) i believe that the other 2 photos in that post were not wet or spiked up though.

Mind defining homogenous depletion? I've seen the term tossed around a few times here now, but not 100p on what this means.

early 2015, then late 2016 🤷‍♂️ EDIT: you think I still have 1k left?

No doubt. And the 2nd procedure was performed at a nicely reduced rate (essentially subtracting the cost of what they agreed should have been the expected growth from the initial procedure). In that sense, they handled the post-op situation well, but obviously I'm not overly happy with the final results. We didn't chat about a 2nd refund.

proc 1: no bridge 1k frontal few hundred crown few hundred between your blue and green line + mid-scalp proc2: no bridge 1200 frontal 800 crown -> area between your blue and green line proc3: 350 crown proc4: 350 frontal it's not exactly clear what my growth yield was from proc 1 & proc 2, but i ultimately ended not where I should have been at that point. imo, I got more from konior's 2 small procedures than I did from the other 2 large ones. i'm not sure the policy on calling out surgeons by name on here, but the first one was from a pretty highly regarded surgeon...i [thought i] did my homework heading into it.

did a full gamut of photos (wet/dry sunlight/flash/no-flash) yesterday and the repeat pattern I noticed was the thinning in mid-scalp. This terrifies me like crazy because it would be pretty bad if i end up with frontal, no mid, bridge, no crown. I really need to plan accordingly and I believe that the only way to do so is to have an in-depth evaluation to determine where I have txp hair vs non-txp hairs today. I'm pretty scared knowing that my donor capacity is running on fumes tbh. A small FUE (300-500) could be the way, potentially combined w/ chest (even if the transection rate is much higher), but I *really* need to plan for the future.

i'm unsure what's typical, but fwiw, i found another chest photo with short stubbs and it looks like I have a pretty decent number of 2's...I'm torn. I'd like to see Dr.K in-person, but current climate makes that difficult.

Mirroring the rest of the group -- would not advise a procedure at this point. Why not take Rogaine alongside the PRP?

Just took a look at your journey...you've had some AMAZING results. I get jealous every time I see someone with results like yours. Well done! 350/350 may be a viable option. I'll need to compromise in some way -- whether that means dipping further into the sides of my head, rolling the dice w/ chest hairs, or accepting thinness... my REAL concern is that I don't know how much growth may/may not be on my scalp from my first 2 procedures. I know it wasn't great (and I get angry every time I think about it, but am also grateful for what I have today). That unknown could mean some not-so-great aesthetics down the line though. I wish I had some better photos (I've since shaved my chest)...depending on the light, my scalp is border-line black at times, but it's also gotten a lot lighter due to sun exposure over the summer. At the time, I took hairs from my beard, chest, & scalp and put them side-by-side... beard was clearly curly + thick + coarse + darker; chest was straight + *slightly* thinner than scalp + correct texture + same color. I'm not trying to trick myself/you into thinking it's something it's not -- I just really wish I had better photos. May have to grow out the chest hairs again. Valid concern. Body hair typically has about 50% of the follicles to be in an active growth phase at any given time. Scalp hair is 90%. Also worth noting: chest hair typically is a lot of 1's, and some 2's (versus 1's, 2's, 3's, & 4's that scalp follicles house). I believe (??) this is the reason why @transplantedphil said that chest hairs typically aren't the best candidates for crown (though, this may also be due to the sheer nature of chest hairs being thinner)

chest hair (not great lighting on photos w/o flash): beard hair:

also worth noting, i have a visibly weak spot in the mid-frontal region today which becomes apparent when floating hair back:

all procedures have been FUE. Regarding the 2k grafts, keep in mind that it will likely not strictly be crown (though, crown is the most obvious area at a glance rn) + as far as I'm aware, 2,000 grafts may only be ~3000 hairs at lower growth rate for chest hairs (?) pre-fin, 10-years ago: post-fin a couple years later: pre-op 1: i don't have any great post-op #1 (2500 grafts - full scalp) or pre-op #2 photos, but suffice to say it wasn't great.. 10-month post-op #2 (2100 grafts): 15 months post-op #2: pre-op #3: post-op #3 (350 grafts to crown): op #4 (350 grafts to frontal...i finally got better at taking before/after photos here)

I'm in my late 30's. Started fin/min ~12 years ago. Had some wicked mental issues (brain fog, etc.) on fin and had to take large gaps off, but I believe I have my doses/frequency figured out for what works for me w/o sides at this point: .25mg fin 4x's/week, 5mg loniten (oral)/daily

From what I've seen, the curls of beard hair never fully goes away and is pretty distinguishable when using a large amount. My chest hair is fairly straight & non-coarse (aligning with my natural scalp hair), which is why it's a more-attractive option from my perspective. That said, I'm def not an expert either, and I'm sure there's more to consider outside of "it looks similar to my scalp hair". Dr.K seems onboard with the approach. Unclear if it's because it's close to my last resort, or if it would still be viable if that weren't the case. I'm aware that I have at least some transplanted hairs in the crown, and from discussions with him, it's typically preferred to blend scalp w/ non-scalp...this may be why there isn't a red flag with the approach. Agreed on the harsh lighting, but seeing it at it's worst is a pretty good indication of where it may be headed longer-term. Attached is an add'l shot where the sun wasn't hitting it as directly. I know my hair is "passable" (in my opinion - which is all that matters tbh..but it's also border-line) in it's current state, but I also have concerns of not knowing exactly how many of the frontal/mid sections are also txps at this point and don't want to have a very uneven look across my scalp in 10 years...trying to plan long-term/accordingly.

After 2 larger (2500-3000 grafts per) transplants resulted in minimal growth with another well-known surgeon, I very smartly went to Dr. Konior. We performed 2 smaller (300-500 grafts) sessions and I got noticeable growth from them, which I'm very pleased with.That said, I'm now at the point where I desire to have another procedure, but I wouldn't feel very comfortable with taking more hair from the sides of my head without feeling over-harvested.My beard hair texture is nothing like that of my scalp, however, my chest hair seems to be a fairly close/closest match.I'm considering doing a 2,000 graft strictly-chest session. I've been searching high and low and haven't found many examples of a pure chest->scalp procedure to get a better understanding of expected results (I've only been able to stir up mixed-recipient txps)Given the recipient type/location, I'm slightly hesitant due to lack of knowledge & the commonality of it. My crown is visually the weakest area, but I'd want the rest of the scalp to be assessed to disperse the grafts appropriately as to not have to go through another txp again after this.Any advice / examples would be wonderful.Harsh light photo attached

my [just over] 1 month post-op photos... note that i've moved, so the lighting may be inconsistent with the previous photos. included flash & non-flash photography as well.. it appears that there is still some pinkness under flash:

apologies, as i failed to post my 14-day post-op photos very timely. i did, however, take the photos on time, so i'm just posting them now. i included a few shots with flash this time a well to give a different perspective:

I've gone out a couple times with friends these past couple days, but I've just worn a hat and nobody said anything. I'll be seeing my family this weekend, and plan to wear a hat as well, but I'll just say that I received a short haircut...no biggie I think. Perfectly honest: if it were normal for me to have a shorter haircut, then I really didn't have anything visible after about day 7 or 8. I do still have most of my transplanted hairs intact, but they really aren't visible at all unless you're right up in my business. I'll take/post my 2-week photos tomorrow. It'll be nice to be able to start using Rogaine again, as I believe that I've been losing some hairs due to being off of it for too long now.

I was told to expect roughly 4k for future use...I shutter at the thought of having to do this again anytime soon, but that's likely what's unfortunately in store for me if I want to stay on top of it.