Senior Member hairgirl08 Posted July 16, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 16, 2011 does every doctor who knows the trichophytic closure use this? if not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairgirl08 Posted July 18, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 18, 2011 does anyone know anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Glenn Charles Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 There are several different ways to suture the donor wound in a hair transplantation procedure. Some doctors have tried and it did not get as good of a result as their previous technique. It is the kind of technique that if not done properly may lead to more problems later on. Others feel that if a patient is likely to need several procedures that the trichophytic closure should only used on the final surgery. There are some two layer closures being used today that leave a donor scar that is very difficult to find. Dr. Glenn Charles is a member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 The two layer closures I've seen have been virtually impossible to find? Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aaron1234 Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 I did have trich done for my 2nd procedure and it didn't turn out so great. However, I just had a double-layer closure done with my recent surgery and my scar is doing much better already. It also depends on patient physiology. For some, trich is the way.. for others, it is not. Dr. G: 1,000 grafts (FUT) 2008 Dr. Paul Shapiro: 2,348 grafts (FUT) 2009 ~ 1,999 grafts (FUT) 2011 ~ 300 grafts (Scar Reduction) 2013 Dr. Konior: 771 grafts (FUT) 2015 ~ 558 grafts (FUT) 2017 ~ 1,124 grafts (FUE) 2020 My Hair Transplant Journey with Shapiro Medical Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairgirl08 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 when you say it didnt turn out so great, do you mean you still got a scar? and the hairs didnt grow? what kind of problems can happen if its not done properly? do doctors do double-layer closure if they dont use the trichophytic closures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Blake Bloxham Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 Thank you for the input Dr. Charles! "Doc" Blake Bloxham - formerly "Future_HT_Doc" Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, the Hair Loss Learning Center, the Hair Loss Q&A Blog, and the Hair Restoration Forum All opinions are my own and my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hairgirl, when there is a cut on your body, there is ALAWAYS gonna be a scar! It may be less noticeable with trycho or double layer closure, but there will always be a scar. Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member NorwoodBalding Posted July 20, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 Just a side note, it's really refreshing to see doctors like Dr Charles visiting forums like these, it just demonstrates to me that they have client satisfaction in mind. And also, it really separates them from all the corporate entities out there who have love only for capital. Thanks greatly Dr Charles for reassuring troubled sufferers like myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 Yes, thanks to all the doctors for their input on this forum. Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aaron1234 Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 Yes, trich or no trich you will have a scar. I have a tendency for larger scars and my skin is sensitive. The benefit of trich is having hairs grow through the scar to diminish its detectability. Hairs grew through my scar but not enough to make a difference. Plus, having hair grow through my donor wound caused some skin irritation. My scar wasn't bad, just having the trich didn't achieve it's purpose with me. Dr. G: 1,000 grafts (FUT) 2008 Dr. Paul Shapiro: 2,348 grafts (FUT) 2009 ~ 1,999 grafts (FUT) 2011 ~ 300 grafts (Scar Reduction) 2013 Dr. Konior: 771 grafts (FUT) 2015 ~ 558 grafts (FUT) 2017 ~ 1,124 grafts (FUE) 2020 My Hair Transplant Journey with Shapiro Medical Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Cam Simmons MD ABHRS Posted July 22, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 22, 2011 ...do doctors do double-layer closure if they dont use the trichophytic closures? hairgirl08 A trichophytic closure is ANY closure that results in hair growing through the scar. It literally translates to "hair-loving" closure. It can be done with staples or sutures and can have one-layer or two-layers. The tips of the hairs and the surface of the skin can be removed from the upper edge, the lower edge or both and there are many ways to remove that narrow, superficial ledge. If I had to choose between having a narrow scar with no hair or a wide scar with hair growing through it, I would choose the narrow one. Fortunately we can usually create narrow scars with hair growing through them. Some patients have medical conditions that predispose them to make wide scars so doctors ask about that possibility before planning any surgery. To prevent wide scars in otherwise healthy people, it is most important for the closure not to be tight and to avoid taking too wide a strip of skin away with respect to a given patient's scalp flexibility. If a doctor takes a narrow strip then pulls the sutures too tight he or she can still make a wide scar. Other techniques that are used to minimize tension on the surface are to either undermine the edges or to use a layer of sutures to hold the deeper layers together so the outside sutures (or staples) have less tension on them. Different doctors find different techniques work best for them. I have tried many techniques but find that in my hands a 2-layer sutured closure produces narrow scars most consistently. I do a 2-layer closure for all of my patients. After the deep layer, I test how easily the edges come together. If they can overlap, I remove a 1 mm ledge from the bottom edge so that the trimmed hairs will grow through the scar. I then suture the surface layer without tension. If the skin edges ever just come together, I recommend against taking more skin away to get a trichophtyic closure so we can avoid tension and keep the scar narrow. I do a trichophytic 2-layer closure for almost all of my patients. Sometimes when we are trying to get as much hair as safely possible we start out hoping to be able to do a trichophytic closure but change to a non-trichophytic closure if needed. It is always an option to revise a narrow non-trichophytic scar and turn it into a narrow trichophytic scar later. In summary, you don't have to choose between a trichophytic closure and a double-layer closure. You can have both at the same time. Cam Simmons MD ABHRS Seager Medical Group, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Dr. Cam Simmons is a member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 22, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 22, 2011 Good explanation Dr Simmons. Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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