NikosHair

13 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

I never said we all scar ‘to the same degree.’ I don’t believe it’s irrelevant either.

Which is why I said at the start:

12 hours ago, NikosHair said:

I agree,  but the staged approach also ties in with scarring. From the 1st surgery you get to see if you are genetically predisposed to scarring. For patients that want to have short hair/tight fade, the prospect of more scarring in the 2nd procedure maybe a deal-breaker.

Something must have got lost in translation along the way🙏

3 hours ago, RTC said:

However, that is when the work done on my temple points was done too and those grew in perfectly,

It's an interesting observation. For example, we often see patients that develop good growth on one side and less stellar results on the other.

There are so many variables outside of our control. It's really a quality control issue for the clinic. Six hours for extraction is a long time. A FU that got extracted in the first hour may have been out of the body for 8, 10 hours or longer. What if a large number of those old grafts ended up in your hairline?

Lets see what the clinic have to say. The 19.5hours is the main irregular factor that's indisputable. 

3 hours ago, Gatsby said:

Have a look at @DrTBarghouthi’s thread on vertoporfin.

Looks promising.

I think we risk losing track about what we disagree on🙂

To summarise:

1. We agree that a staged approach is better. It allows us to evaluate the first procedure before proceeding.
2. We agree everyone scars.
3. You believe that we all scar to the same degree. I believe it varies from person to person based on genetics including ethnicity and age. I believe it would be a factor in the decision to proceed to a further procedure. You believe it's irrelevant.

13 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

Ok. But why risk thousands of scars compared to risking only one? 

Risk/reward. For example the allure of a full looking front third maybe worth the risk of scarring. Take another 3000 graft and the cumulative effect may become disfiguring and not worth the risk. The staged approach allows them the option to take stock.

Re. Biopsy: If it's small enough to replicate an fu extraction then you have a tiny single scar in isolation. You spend a year looking at it but no real way of knowing how good/bad it will look with 3000. 

18 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

you are going to scar regardless

It's not really as cut n dry as that, genetics play a significant part in the level of scarring.

I agree that at some level everyone scars but there is a full range from hardly visible to highly noticeable. The staged approach allows someone at the 'highly noticeable' end of the scale to take stock.

44 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

The issue isn't scarring at all. The issue is that if you split the procedure into two surgeries, one year apart, you can see how well the first surgery goes. If it goes pear shaped then you haven't blown all of your grafts in one hit. All the best!

I agree,  but the staged approach also ties in with scarring. From the 1st surgery you get to see if you are genetically predisposed to scarring. For patients that want to have short hair/tight fade, the prospect of more scarring in the 2nd procedure maybe a deal-breaker.

1 hour ago, HappyMan2021 said:

I could be wrong

Day 1 was consultation, removal of the dodgy implants and stitching. Finished at 12.30am!

Day 2 was the hairline work and beard to donor implants. Finished at 6.30am!

That's how I read it on the first post.

On 7/1/2022 at 8:47 PM, RTC said:

We finished very late that day - would you believe that I went in at 11am and walked out at 6.30am? No joke. Luckily, I was only staying 5 minutes walk around the corner. 

 

This was a very draining day and I couldn't wait for it to be over. The clinic was short-staffed the day before due to airline problems, so this had an impact into the next day. 

19.5 Hours in surgery! and that's already following a day of surgery. Even the amount of anaesthetic needed to keep you pain free for that long. We know how crucial the early stages are for graft survival, you were already physically drained.

I'm less amazed your hairline is disappointing (given the circumstances) and more amazed the rest looks so good.

Were you given any explanation why it took so long? It's sub-optimal for you and the medical staff.

2 hours ago, SoSoz said:

2x 2000 FUE procedures split between years instead doing 1 session with 4000 grafts

What about 8 X 500? Almost zero scarring, can anybody beat that?😊

44 minutes ago, TheSoc2671 said:

I can have a honest en open consultation tomorrow with them and demand the best doctor

You may demand the best doctor and they will say sure Dr XYZ will perform your surgery.

At best it will give you a name to research. You will be under intense pressure to proceed, it's there best Dr - right? or in reality the one they had already assigned to you.

Know your doctor in advance, check their body of work, communicate with them and ensure they understand your requirements. HT's are worrying, even when you have done a tonne of research and picked the best doc for your budget. Doubt at the start will be torture as you spend months waiting for growth.

You created an artificial deadline between xmas and new year.  Do yourself a favour get on a plane back to NL.

1 minute ago, Yan bio said:

do you think the time frames are actually something like 

85-90% sprouting at 6 months?

Without seeing the data I can't say.

These doctors are men of science yet fail to cite the evidence to backup their claims.

We then get the forums trotting out the same anecdotal claims as fact.

6 hours ago, Yan bio said:

I'm 6 months post ht and I've havn't seen new sprouting for the last 1.5 months. this is discouraging as my hairline still isn't dense enough to comb up. 

how long would you wait before going on a touch-up?

I think you need to speak to the clinic and take it from there. The whole process is a waiting game, with ups & downs.

5 minutes ago, Yan bio said:

I've been looking for studies about this,couldn't find any sady..

I've repeatedly heard the timeline for growth quoted but not seen the independent research.

How difficult can it be to get 200 HT patients to have their scalp analysed for 12 month and provide the REAL data?

Anyone actually seen a study to backup the claims?

5 hours ago, RecedingSebs said:

Update - Bicer is saying only 1500 to 2000.

Did you send the clinic photos?

How can you expect anyone on the net to provide you any a realistic appraisal without photos?

Put some photos up with your desired hairline drawn on and you'll get some meaningful responses.

The key thing is you're not 'plucking' these dead hairs they will just slide out without resistance. If you feel any resistance just leave it.

You'll probably notice they are short and stubby with flat cut top. New hairs grow much thinner and resemble a pencil, thicker at the base converging to a thin wispy end.

Removing the dead hair minimises the chances of infection/pimples. Anecdotally it may also free up space for the new hair to push through, triggering growth.

18 minutes ago, Sitries1 said:

I'm also toying with the idea of starting meds

Definitely.

You have invested heavily in the front third (Not so much from the money side but more in terms of grafts). The meds would be a preventative measure for the mid scalp and crown. Only you know if there are any examples of thinning/balding in the immediate family.

Play it smart and you may have a full head of hair for the rest of your life.👍

One word of caution, get the barber to use a higher guard initially to evaluate how the scarring looks. You can always cut more hair off. 

Very little evidence of scarring from the first procedure.

Whats the feedback from friends/fam? 

Do they see the scars?

Would you be confident to rock a buzz cut by choice?

People can speculate but without known the dimensions of the transplanted area it's just that - speculation.

If you done your research and found a high quality, ethical doctor then you have no worries.

Sounds like you're chilled and happy with the procedure which is the most important requirement at the healing/growth stage.

Keep us posted on progress.

@Rolandas Are you aware of any other Dr BF cases where this level of density has been carried out.

We know @Sitries1has responded very well to the 1st procedure. I wondering if the doc is pushing new levels of density.

Either way I'm sure the doc will be following the progress with interest.

3 minutes ago, PutTheFolliclesInTheBag said:

Absolutely insane, not to jinx it but this might just end up becoming Ferreira's magnum opus 👀😅

Shhhhh @Rolandas might be listening😊

This is going to be epic.

Congrats on a the procedure and to Dr Bruno for rising to the challenge.

THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY GRAFTS total in your front third!

Did you get the hairline lowered?

What's the distance to the glabella?

By asking the question it shows that at some level it is affecting you mentally.

How much it affects you and how well you are able to deal with it, only you can answer.

One of your previous threads

I echo the others that say more grafts.

Assuming the procedure is a success you will look at your now partially receded hairline and wish it was less receded and start thinking of a new HT. On the plus side if it is a poor result then you have not wasted too many grafts.

You need to see multiple organic independent patient results by the doctor that mirrors the outcome you desire. Anything less is a lottery.

10 minutes ago, stephcurry30 said:

Lol OP is a troll 

They light the blue touch paper then stand a safe distance back.

Conspicuous by their absence since starting the thread.