Jayson1361

It’s been fun watching this journey. Particularly due to your sense of detail, but more so your writing which demonstrates an attention to detail or rather perhaps emotional importance. Your first shots, wet, from the front, really shows your progress. I admire your write ups as personal as they are and as matter of fact as they should be…showing an emotional maturity and insightful detachment as you simply reconcile a perceived problem.

That’s an amazing hairline! Incredible results. Is the top down shot final result? Basically it all looks stellar!

The best part about your results thus far, is that when you look at your hair line, knowing you’re 7 months post op… you know it’s not going to get worse or recede but rather it will get better. That’s got to be a great feeling. Dig the smile my man👍 congrats.

Update?

Updates??

I think your post op 11 day pictures, if indicative of a final result are some on the best post op pics for direction and density I’ve seen.

Perhaps. Maybe I’ll wait for a Konior review. Maybe I’ll post. Its a hard thing to deal with a change in identity after decades of seeing oneself, no matter how small… regardless of age.

My point exactly. Are drugs really that effective? Could some one possibly suffering from hair loss or age related thinning, which there is a difference, push off a hair transplant or really for that matter, genetics… for decades? Are drugs… 5AR inhibitors, minoxidil.. really that good? That effective? Sadly, even though I posted that question…it’s something that cannot definitively be answered. So, we or rather I, continue on, fear of the unknown, perceived shame, loss of influence, acceptance…for whatever reason, continue on. In the end I suppose it’s why those who really understand or are dealing with hairloss turn to FDA approved solutions, as we are lucky to have options. But sometimes, I doubt these solutions… with a sense of hope that maybe genetics has some play in this and it’s not just a pill or a topical. 😔😏

How are things going??

How is this going adding Dut and your oral Min routine?

Do you know if it’s supposed to be a good sign?

I’ll be 49 next year and I have some thinning at the hairline… but most of my other hair is in rather decent shape. I can see a thickness difference from the top to my sides, which is to say if my sides are at a 10 then my top would be… mmm I’d say a 7.5 perhaps😂 my forelock a 7ish and my crown a 7 maybe higher since I was 30. However, I decided to add Min which I’ve never used because I’ve seen thinning at the hairline. I think, personally because of a TRT run I tried for a bit, which is remarkable, but ultimately I think it contributed to thinning. I did get a divorce 3 years ago and around that time I saw thinning occur. More hair in the shower and such. If I were to regrow from that, you’d think it would have happened already.

It’s an experience. Sometimes lack of interest in sex, which translates to low performance even though never a clear lack of performance. Cialis helps with that and apparently has benefits for DHT based on some studies I’ve read. DUT will put a lock on you nuts though which can be overcome via Cialis or honestly psychological arousal interestingly enough 🤷‍♂️. My hairloss seems to be progressing, I think, which is why I’ve started oral min. But based on where my father was at, at my age I’m not sure my genetic predisposition to hair loss is the same given that in my opinion genetics are significantly stronger than a medication. Really hard to say which is why I’m curious what others think or have experienced.

How’s 2 months + looking??

Ultimately, I’m wondering, given that this site is a wealth of knowledge and personal experiences… If anyone has maintained for 15-20+ years and attributes it all to the use of 5AR inhibitors, minoxidil and various other solutions vs possibly being genetically predisposed to not looking as bad as they initially may have thought prompting their use of these meds.

Ugh…I know. 17 years give or take. I went to see Dr. Konior involving frontal thinning and he basically told me he could do a minor procedure on the hairline, for a radical price 😂(he is the best of the best though based on posted results) but that he’d bet the bank I’d never be bald. I’m surprised he took my case based on what I’ve seen on this site as I was in question while doing the in person consult. After he told me that, I’ve been contemplating this question in regard to 5AR inhibitors, minoxidil and such and their actual efficacy vs genetics. Obviously there is merit to catching this thing early, but at what point was the perceived worst case scenario not actually going to happen genetically vs these drugs are doing there business better stay on them for fear of losing all maintenance or gains. Clearly one could stop all meds and see but… this illogical conundrum🤦‍♂️

So my situation is that I’ve been using mainly just DUT for about 17 years…ish. Probably off and on really for about the first 3. When I’ve seen hair loss surgeons or derms mostly I’m told that whatever I did I caught it early, that I have very minor thinning…etc. I’ve started using oral Min 2.5mg EOD and rotating in Fin/Min from Hims on the off days because it seems to me my front and the crown seems like it’s been thinning a bit. This seems to fall in line with others have experienced as expressed on hair loss forums. But, how good are these drugs really? At what point does one say is this really a slow battle against genetics as I progress to whatever my father looks like? Or, did I jump the gun in thinking I’m going to look like my father or grandfather or whom ever one seems to use as a guideline and someone genetically perhaps isn’t predisposed to looking like their father or mother or whomever. Which begs the question how good are these drugs at circumventing genetics? I’m curious how many people jumped on meds thinking they are going to look like who ever, when really maybe they went through a stressful event or whatever but continued on thinking they are going down the right path. Multiple curiosities here really. 🤷‍♂️

I’ve often wondered about people who are in between a full crown and bald, who may not be candidates for a HT, if they’ve considered escalating there hairloss with TRT for example or stopping hairloss meds in effort to have a hair transplant at a younger age. Thereby giving themselves a longer time to live with hair…just a strange thought🤦‍♂️

Any updates?

My opinion, your pattern is well presented. I’d go for the transplant now. 🤷‍♂️ perhaps get on fin/dut/Min to keep existing hair that could provide a thicker look for transplanted hair.

Following this one closely. That work looks packed in there especially given the native hairs. I’m betting this will be spectacular.

I’ve been using topical Fin/Min from Hims and I have noticed that my normal blonde hair has been showing tints of reddish brown. I’m new to using a topical really as I’ve only used oral Dut for quite some time. Suppose I’m wondering if others have noticed this and/or if this is normal.

I suppose the title should have read RU58841 causing AR upregulation of receptors. Basically, the idea is RU58841 competes with DHT by binding to AR receptors instead of DHT having a positive influence on hair growth. After a while the idea is that the body reacts by creating more AR receptors possibly decreasing RU effectiveness by having more receptors for DHT to bind to, or maybe even increasing rate of hair loss. It’s a phenomenon observed in the body but research is extremely limited in regard to AR antagonist which are clearly different than 5AR inhibitors like Dut or Fin.

Are you seeing hair thickening, maintaining or any regrowth?

The title basically states why I have not tried RU. Are there any long term users of RU lurking about these forums that can offer comment?