mr_peanutbutter

i have to disagree. to get a good noticable result as a norwood 6 (leave alone norwood 7) you need 1. coarse hair 2. good donor/beard 3. realistic expectation (very high hairline, not so good density and/or a crown that will only look somehow dense with hair fibers 4. small head..its hard to describe but for example i think zinedine zidane would need way more hair folicles to cover his crown compares to guardiola simply bc their headshape and size differ 5. luck? dr. zarev examples are not the norm. posting these examples and assuming it will look like that for everyone is the equivalent of assuming finasteride will keep the hair for everyone (20 years plus) without any sideeffects. in fact i think the chances of getting a non satisfacting hairtransplant result as a norwood 7 guy are way higher then getting finasteride side effects. at least as long as your expectations are above zero.

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no there is also sometimes the "handsome villain“ type and these guys always have hair https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/morgansloss1/hottest-male-villains

he must have sold his soul to the devil. thats the only logical explanation

hair matters

i often read responses like "oh you are just 20something, better wait until youre 30 so doctors can tell where your "journey is going to“". but now i wonder: could have doctors be able to tell a 30 year old mel gibson that his dip will go so low the moment he reaches his 60? would 30 year old mel gibson already display signs of miniaturisation in an area that went bald 30 years later?

sorry but this thread is slowly turning into annecdotal evidence („someone mentioned something“, news report about suicide and what else not) and all of a sudden we swifting (without mentioning it directly) from 1-2% sideeffect rate to basically "100% will get severe side effects“.. this is called availability heuristic: ———- „Which job is more dangerous—being a police officer or a logger? While high profile police shootings might lead to you think that cops have the most dangerous job, statistics actually show that loggers are more likely to die on the job than cops. When it comes to making this type of judgment about relative risk or danger, our brains rely on a number of different strategies to make quick decisions. This illustrates what is known as the availability heuristic, a mental shortcut that helps you make fast, but sometimes incorrect, assessments. There are all kinds of mental shortcuts, but a common one involves relying on information that comes to mind quickly. This is known as "availability." If you can quickly think of multiple examples of something happening—such as police shootings—you will believe that it is more common.““ https://www.verywellmind.com/availability-heuristic-2794824 ———- this how all debates go. and hence there is no point really. i dont even want to know how many people got scared of from finasteride without trying because they read some horror stories on the internet. people who might wouldnt have experienced any sideeffects. what i also find unethical is to tell people that they can get a transplant without finasteride with no problem, when its really not the case. the truth is that many people shouldnt get a transplant without finasteride. this should be mentioned. it also should be mentioned that not everyone will look like jason statham bald. that baldness can affect love life, self confidence and various other aspects of life in a negative way. im also very sure that baldness alone can lead to depression, hell now that we are at annecdotes already it even can lead to suicide..https://m.timesofindia.com/city/madurai/techie-commits-suicide-in-madurai-due-to-hair-fall-problem/amp_articleshow/62325039.cms this all should be presented and then everyone can make his own decision based on that.

thats scary

in what norwood endgame are youre older male relatives atm?

maybe eugenix should contact him haha

totally baloneey is to be super anixious and worried about side effects but at the same time to expect to get automatically good result when you are norwood 5 and more...good norwood 5 results exist but its far from the norm, the chances of having a unsatisfying hairtransplant result at that norwood stage are definitely higher then the chances of getting pfs etc. totally distorted view of risks imho. if you are very worried about things going wrong you should stay away from finasteride but also definitely stay away from hairtransplants (if you are destinied to end at norwood 5 and over)...shaving or hairpieces are totally safe

norwood 7? after norwood 4a it seems really difficult to get a good result, at least if you expect to have a hairline that doesnt start at the midscalp or to not have bald crown. admittedly there are good norwood 5 results but there is really no garantuee for it (and you better work wiwth very good hair characteristisc and donor zone). good results of norwood 6/7 you can count with one hand it seems. its distorted view of risks and probability when you expect - to get severe side effects of finasteride (when statisticall speaking all studies say otherwise, even when 5% is probably too low...but the numbers you guys suggesting, like between 80% and 100%? how should that work, do you think they can manipulate studies that way? i have a hard time believing this - assume that if you are norwood 5 and more you will have good/acceptable ht result. and that you dont have to take finasteride after. good example of this mattdominance and mr.rolandas who didnt take finasteride at first, ended up norwood 5 and now take finasteride anyways so the hair at the side and the crown doesnt dip like it did with mel gibson between 50 and 60 ... https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/64958-can-mel-gibsons-hair-be-safed/

fair enough, but this basically the direction these discussion end up taking normally

i dont doubt that side effects can occur, but there is a difference between -side effects can occur, probably even more then the 5% said in studies (lets assume 10% or 20%) and -"side effects will occur 100%, finasteride will destroy your life !!11! here let me 1 post one study which recruited all its participant from propeciahelp.com ! !!1! every other study is fake!!

a casanova who specifically targets the women of men who take finasteride? how big is the sample size here

let it be 10%, but for some people anything below 100% side effect occurency is big pharmacy conspiracy and thats some real bogus for me too. its kind of amazing how some people care about a drug so much they dont even take

which relation do you have to those women? gay best friend? working husband?

ah people with 20 think you dont care about your hair anymore once you 40, people at 40 think people at 60 dont care anymore...i wouldnt be that sure i find it remarkable that his hairstatus changed quite noticalbe between 50 and 60, solid 1-2 on the norwood scale. you would assume people at 50 already reached their final norwood status also the shape of horseshoe is interesting, quite high at the side but the dip really goes deep

from 2006 (mel gibson was born 1956 so he is 50 years old there), looks like he got an hairtransplant around that age, while being around a diffuse norwood 5 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-396816/Mel-hair-lost-.html 10 years later…norwood 6/7…dip really goes deep, in a time spane of 10 years… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2897420/amp/Mel-Gibson-displays-thinning-hair-bald-spot-jets-LAX-day-turning-59.html can he get some coverage there ? or is too late?

yes ok but he still has his front hairline (the front looks the most obvious in smp) if there is no hair and maybe he could go for a second ht with very low density for midscalp and crown to add a 3d effect to smp

very nice

looks like he is only balding midscalp

thats interesting because in the video they say that no matter how good the doctor is with the fue technic you will always damage more folicles in the process combined to fut..hence for people with higher norwoods they recommend fut…or people with non straight hair so you would argue against this? ps what means "ropy hair“

robbie being dramatic again

i dont understand why the guy isnt getting smp