GeneralNorwood

Now the most important thing for me are the next live consultations. Based on them, I will draw conclusions and decide where I will perform the second transplant. Obstacle is that now the area to cover is over 200cm2. If the hairline had not been lowered by 2cm, the area to be covered would have been smaller

Guys, are you speaking about first post by Max111 in this thread? Of course it is not from the clinic. It is from unhappy patient. It is just full of sarcasm like this : "you will find my current photographs, which will show you the quality of the services of Krasavchik, NairNeva and Dr. Alim Süleyman better than a thousand words." Definitely not an advertisement 🤣

Wow, just terrible work. Why the hell they didn't extract this grafts And this white hole(in blue circle) between temple points and hairline, wtf is this. Also fronto-temporal angle is obtuse. The doctor that led your surgery, really needs to see this video :

with beard grafts it wouldn't be 11,600-13,600 strands of hair, this number indicates scalp grafts.

If Pittella had taken care of you from the beginning, 11-000-12,000 grafts wouldn't have been unusual. 13,800 grafts, on the other hand, would be among the record holders. Zarev often says that if a patient had transplants before, he can't take as much grafts as if the patient comes to him right away. So i think that this solution to take extra 5500 grafts will deplete donor to this state that longer hairstyle on the sides and back won't be appealing. But again, it is solution that Zarev talks about. The math should be checked and the question is why Pittella assumed this high number of grafts so easily without live consultation.

So I see that, more and more former Eugenix patients are noticing the lack of planning and are looking for other clinics. I agree 100% with what you wrote. Treating lateral humps in your case should start in first procedure and then some grafts could be added in second. Like here : https://youtu.be/XASvPhbsRO4?t=549 Leaving gaps and dissconections is unpleasing. I don't get this idea. Is it to make us unhappy and come back? Homogenous extraction and implantation makes more sense for me. One of the doctors that i talked to said "You can't have surgery every year,you have a life." At the end of the day, it's us who care most about the final result. With this in mind, it is worth choosing a doctor who will spend a little more than 5 minutes planning and just eyeballing the donor. It doesn't have to be at Zarev's level, where everything is calculated to the letter, but I think the closer to this method, the better. My piece of advice. Don't rush in to the next procedure. Talk to different surgeons and take your time analysing all options

I regret going low, because i need at least 6000 grafts behind frontal third 🙃

Yeah, generally the hair callibre in the hairline looks too thick. And some double grafts are visible. The scar is wide, and not in one place, but along its entire length. Possibility of widening of the scar is the only thing that discourages me from FUT Overall, touching up the hairline with FUE and extracting some double and thicker grafts is now an option.

Yeah, it is little tilted down, but i still think in terms of facial proportions it is ok. Unfortunately, i didn't see in your thread this photo with black lines before HT, so i didn't know they lowered it by 2 cm (similar to mine) Of corse it is a guideline and other factors matter, i agree. But i mean, it is what it is right now. If i move my eyebrows and frontalis muscle, hairline near MFP is moving very little, it's not big deal. If you don't have big hairline movement too, i don't see it is worth it to take back hairline higher by 1 cm in 3 surgeries and gain only around 700 grafts. I assumed it is not problem since you post it by yourself on this forum, but ok, i deleted photo with your face visible.

3:09 - Leonardo Da Vinci's rule of thirds 😅 https://youtu.be/T64u40q3t9s?t=189 So generally this rule(with funny reference to Da Vinci) that people in HT community like to bring out says that distance from the hairline(MFP) to glabella should be 1/3 and from glabella to the bottom of face 2/3. I checked your proportions and it is 36,1 % to 63,9%(red and blue line). It means that to achieve perfect 33,33% to 66,66%, your harline should be even lower (like green line). So generally, your harline isn't too low in terms of face proportions. My hairline is lower then yours. They did lower it by 2 cm and my proportions are truely 1/3 to 2/3. So if i were in your shoes, i wouldn't think right now about series of procedures extracting from the hairline, when you have so much available donor. Such a move in your case should be considered as a last resort.

When did you book Zarev consultation for 2025? And Feriduni has also so long waiting list for consultation right now? Harline back up? You want to extract grafts from the hairline? That would take 3 procedures.

Yes, it is. I am not being dramatic. I know video from dr Sethi "HT aren't perfect" - nice damage control by him 🤣 Look at the pictures : Design of the left temple was according to the red line. Blue area shouldn't be bald, but it is. Look at right temple, so much better, it looks fuller. Look at the left temple again : The raw of singles is very straight (like blue line), without any irregularities, looks fake. Another thing is that there is no smooth transition between raw of singles and raw of doubles. It looks like 2 seperate raws and it is bad. Look now at the right temple : It is fuller, it is no so straight and transition between raw of singles and doubles looks smoother. If they added more raw singles like Dr Sethi educates, it would be even more smooth. Well, yes i saw your topic some time ago but now i inspected the photos closely. You were classified and treated as Norwood 3 patient, but you are not. There are not many photos in your topic from Eugenix photosession, but this one clearly shows the balding pattern : Frontal third in the worst condition, however there is strong miniaturisation, diffuse thining across midscalp and crown. So basically it is Norwood 5. Frontal third doesn't look like Norwood 3 either. So it is clearly visible on this photo that midscalp and crown need a lot of grafts. And i see that in your last surgery Eugenix decided to forget about your Norwood 5 baldness and push forward with temple restoration, sounds familiar. Well, that is wishful thinking and not gonna happen mate. I think you should consult with other clinic, surgeon that specialize in diffuse thinning cases like you have. And that's just my honest opinion, you can have different goals and i respect that.

So if i am not mistaken, now you can become hairrestorationnetwork recommended surgeon even if there is literally 0 reviews posted by patients on forum. Interesting. Besides remember, It is paid reccomendation, doesn't mean anything. What matters is patient reviews and stories.

The dude decided to remove all content from all his posts on this thread🙃

I had live consultation with Bisanga Then i had another consultation online with well-known FUT surgeon. He said that he heard earlier good things about Eugenix and was surprised by the planning, didn't have sense for him since im Norwood 6. We agreed that we have to meet live for the assessment. And finally i had recently live consultation with respected FUE doctor, which i mentioned 2 days ago.

I know the difference between communication and vibe, but good communication helps to get good vibe and that's what i meant. They did cobblestoning. Bad communication? They botched left temple. Bad communication? They lowered harline by 2 cm in Norwood6 patient. Bad communication? Dr said that she won't implant grafts in the midscalp and crown because a lot of miniaturised hair are there and she doesn't want to harm this hair. Bad communication? Your "communicaction" hypothesis doesnt add up. Yes, you can blame me that i was uneducated regarding my state of baldness and i believed that i am Norwood 3V (which Eugenix said). Now i understand my state of baldness perfectly. But look, you saw my photos in this topic and you made mistake by saying "It seems like may have lost some significant density with your native hairs despite medication". So you see, it is not so easy to evaluate a case by non-doctor. I don't like this notion that shifts responsibility to a patient. Patient is an amateur who only read some things on the internet. And doctor is a person after medical studies and his responsibility for the procedure is 100%. Look at this : Maximum Density Hairline Transplant - YouTube Bad communication? 🙃 Mazab case was so much easier. Yes, i agree that you have to do a lot of research, educate yourself and make a good plan for the HT. But it shouldn't be like this. It is only like this, because doctors have low ethics and can't be trusted. It is only like this, because clinics are greedy and don't care about patients. But if somebody goes to a hairmill and is botched, at the end it is responsibility of a clinic. You had small procedure, only 1700. And most of your pictures are shot in the dark lighting, they are not good, so i can't really give my opinion about the result. Besides, you have plenty of donor and small area to cover, you will be fine. Well, they wrote a statement, which has some thruths and some lies : "We recommended a conservative approach that would focus on transplanting upon the thinned-out areas, such as the front and temples and a small number of grafts in the crown" It is untrue that upon live examination Dr Das proposed small number of grafts in the crown. She proposed to implant only in the frontal third and restore temple points. When i reached out to Eugenix for the first time via whatsapp and send them pictures - they proposed 1700 grafts in the crown and 2500 in the front and i was diagnosed with Norwood 3V. I was back then surprised with the high amount of grafts proposed for the crown and i did send them more pictures and asked if crown really needs this number of grafts. Then i had talk with Arika via whatsapp, and she said that there is no need to implant in the crown at all and first evaluation was bad. I met few days before procedure with Dr Das and she said that they won't implant in the crown at all, because of existing hair and first rule is "do not harm". Then i had few days to think about this and i wrote my concerns, that crown is too bald and needs some attention. At the day of surgery, she agreed that she can do some careful transplantation in the crown, around 300 grafts. It ended up 351 grafts. You see, they even contradict their own words in this statement " To meet your expectations, some grafts were put in the crown (in a small transplantable area only)". To meet my expactations... So it wasn't their idea. "The thinning areas were not transplanted consciously, and you were satisfied with the results at 9 months. " I was never satisfied with the result, i don't know why they wrote such bs. "However, you wanted a more aggressive approach and wanted your temples to be restored like some of our other patients." It is true that i showed them temple points restoration of the other patients that i liked. You are welcome here to write what you want. I didn't create this topic so people can please me with flattering. Disputing is good.

There wasn't any communication issues. Actually i had pretty good vibe with Dr Das. It's not about any nuances. She is a doctor and upon examination, she should establish my recpient area and make plan for surgeries that are based on my donor availability, this is called donor managment. Besides, I could be deaf and without a tounge, but it doesn't excuse poor planning. That's why now my next steps will be more cautious

Yes, dr Das must have seen the border of horseshoe pattern. I was regulary trimming hair on the donor back then, so contrast was little smaller then now when i let donor grow. However you can see, strong donor and above red line a lot of miniaturised light leftover hairs.

Listen, you are very generous with your rating, i can't agree with it. I think you missed some pictures in this topic. Let me show you some more pictures : They made unnatural dissconection between frontal third and donor. In terms of design i would give it 2/10. Left temple point is far worse then right. Doctor i visited asked : "They have 2 guys that are doing temple points? Propably this one who does the left ones is doing worse job and that's the reason" Here you can see some more pictures from the day of surgery. I think that Norwood 6 pattern is easily visible on them. I don't echo Melvin's sentiment at all. If it was intended as a 2 or 3 or 4 stage surgery, i should be included in this plan. After 4 months Dr Das acted surprised that there is huge dissconection between frontal third and the donor and she asked if im using finasteride. That is called playing dumb. And i can repeat once again, that i didn't ask for the lower harline. Dr Das drew it and i agreed. I didn't show her at what level she should draw it. I use dutasteride and minoxidil regulary. Recently i came back to using dermapen too.

I just saw your topic when you mentioned your surgery with dr Turan. It saddens me that he told cobblestoning is permanent. I remember there was a video, where Dr Sethi said that no matter which package you chose at Eugenix, you get same highest quality of HT. Well, clearly it is not true and i can't find this video anymore. I didn't talk to Dr. Pitella, but that's good idea.

When you mentioned cobblestoning i started to search info about this. In this post : " It’s something that would only occur if the doctor doesn’t have the skill and experience to do the procedure properly. Cobblestoning specifically refers to A condition where the incisions are made too small for the grafts and as a result, they grafts begin to pop out but only a little. Because of this, the scalp and the tissue surrounding the grafts become uneven and doesn’t look as natural. If you run your hand over it, you will feel tiny bumps raised above the scalp similar to actual cobblestoning which is why it’s called this. The opposite to this condition is referred to as pitting, where the incisions are actually too big for the grafts and as a result, there are small pits where the grafts are placed because the tissue is pushed further into the scalp than it should be." So my condition according to this desciription looks like cobblestoning as you said. To be honest, previously i thought it's normal look after HT, because they implanted around 40 grafts/cm2 in the frontal third and i assumed that density is medium, that's why from the close look some imperfections are visible on the skin. But after 18 months since the surgery, i just learned another thing that Eugenix did bad and it's called cobblestoning. Good to know.

I think there was not planning at all. Just putting hair in the front and forgetting about ~200cm2 behind. Ok, there were 350 grafts implanted in the crown and doctor i consulted was surprised of this choice, because this small amount of grafts on the crown doesn't make difference. I explained to him, that they didn't want to adress the crown at all, but agreed to implant some hair on the crown when i mentioned that it really looks bad. Now when i go to consultations, doctors examine my donor with devices and say "listen, i can take X grafts from your donor, you will need 2-3 surgeries to cover this area". With Eugenix they didn't mention next surgeries at all. I think that they just expect that after 1 surgery you will come back to them for next ones, when you see that there are more bald spots 🙃 Planning takes time. And time is money.

I fell for this marketing with educational videos from Dr. Sethi. Looking at this forum, i saw like nearly all positive reviews and i saw that even administrator from this forum went there so that's how i took the bait. I agree. Clearly they are not ethical, i was only problem for them to eliminate. When there was little drama in this topic after consultation with Bisanga, they did some damage control and they did video conference with me to assure me that "i'm not alone", even dr Arika who wasn't my surgeon, joined this group video chat and proposed that maybe next HT should be around 1500 grafts. They said that consultant will contact me every 2 weeks, but of course this never happened. They didn't even write at 12 month mark to me Speaking about coblestoning you mean this white dots in the hairline? Yeah, as i mentioned doctor that i just consulted said that this is because of implantation technique that technicians used, which causes part of skin to break and that he doesn't use this technique. Do you know more about this? Should i treat it with laser? Yeah, the thing is that i never liked and wore this hairstyle and was kind of forced to do it.

Yes, for sure i will have consultation with FUT specialist.

Nah, i didn't lose density at all, trust me i observe my hair since 3 years in different lighting. So keep mind angle and lighting and contrast settings of a picture when you compare them. This picture that you show from the day of HT, you can see that hair on the sides and back are cutted much shorter then i wear now, this is because that was the hairstyle that i was wearing back then (short sides and grow top to the maximum). So the top is maximal lenght of a hair after over 1 year of growing and using medication. YOu can see that it is thin,short, light colored, miniaturised hair all over Norwood 6 area. And this is like current picture in bathroom lighting : what is my rating ? "Your hairline looks decent as far as I can tell. Another option is to just put up with the hairstyle you have now. With your hair pulled back you look way better than where you started." This kind of works only with headband on. Without headband, just little wind or daily activity ruins this style and reveals bald spots. This is picture of the hairline, keep in mind it was made from close distance, so the actual shape of the hairline is distorted. Opinion of a doctor i just visited about the harline is that is little to straight and that they tried to do some microirregularities, but they are not so irregular in the end result. Another thing (this is not super visible on the picture) is that there are tiny white dots at each hair in the hairline. It is because of implantation technique that technicians used. it causes small portion of skin to pop out. Most people don't notice it, but for example my family noticed so called "dots"