GeneralNorwood

I understand perfectly your thoughts, went through the same way of thinking. HT is supposed to fix some issue, but often it creates another, especially when 1 procedure isn't enough for full coverage. Before my HT i didn't really care about styling my hair. But after, when i saw so many new imperfections and weaknesses on my scalp, i begun to style my hair and i can say that it resembled some kind of obsession. Once, for example, I didn't go to the gym because my hair wasn't styling at all. Maybe such behavior seems ridiculous, but it was just a result of frustration. When I realized that this was not the way to go, I gave up on styling significantly. It was liberating. So my piece of advice is, worry about your hair less. Easy to say, harder to do. But remember that you are the person who cares the most about your hair, not the other people. You have this advantage, that after your HT, now your balding pattern looks completely natural, so i think random people wouldn't recognize at all that you had the procedure. About this SMP, so it's same like for HT, you have to do research, if you want to get better result. For me i think it's not good option, because i have blonde hair, but even if i had black, i don't like he idea of buzzcuting my scalp everyday. Maybe look out for another barber that will propose some haircut that will suit you and provide less pressure on styling, so you can chill out.

Guys, maybe you don't know,This was before 2nd procedure, so it was amazing back then. I don't think extra procedure was necessary.

If we operate only in terms good/bad, we oversimplify the debate. For sure i wouldn't say that this hairline looks bad. But it didn't look bad before procedure either. He was only norwood 2, with good density. Hairline after HT with 40-45 grafts in the front doesn't look so good as natural 90FU/cm2. And it's not only about density, but other factors too, like thickness of hair or changes in the skin. Weaknesses of the new hairline are more visible when it's combed backwards. \\ On the picture above i agree that hairline looks better, it is because hair is combed forward, hair is stacking and illussion of density works in favor. However we don't have fair comparision with hair combed forward before the procedure. So can't really say if it was worth it.

7700 grafts and the donor looks untouched, it's amazing.

Well, before HT his hairline was little receeding, but looked very dense and natural. After HT recession is eliminated, however final outcome looks less natural and less dense in the hairline. Photos are not in the best resolution, but i think they did him some cobblestoning too(dots on the skin). Just zoom the picture below:

Just read the post i linked

I am not planning to use beard/body grafts, but don't worry, i think positive and i am fully aware after seeing multiple cases that it could be much worse. If you are diffuse thinner like me, i recommend to check similar cases to yours, that means similar norwood stage and similar diffuse thining pattern. And upon that choose your surgeon. Not true, please check this post by Melvin : https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/66820-eugenix-3514-grafts-720-on-the-temples-may-2022-dr-priyadarshini-das/?do=findComment&comment=748324

I invite you to check my case

Raising the hairline it is one of options to get this 1000 grafts back. But this kind of operation requires 3 procedures, so i am not so eager to do that. So firstly i want to use the classical donor.

Hello, great outcome Can you show latest crown pictures?

I just looked through yours thread now. So basically your hairloss pattern was something like this: Hasson wanted to close the deal in 2 operations, that would 6000 grafts total. But after first surgery ~4000 grafts, it doesn't look like extra 2000 grafts will do the job. The planning was poor in my opinon. Implanting 900 grafts into the crown, where the needs of this area are much greater, was a bad idea. Now the effect is that the front is still balding and the crown is also balding. It seemed a much better idea to focus on the frontal third and midscalp, so the final look after first HT would be more appealing. 2900 grafts were implanted for the pretty big area in the front. It wasn't enough. I didn't see detailed information how much grafts per cm2 were implanted in different areas though. If I were you, I'd forget about dr Hasson as he didn't put much care in your case. Get in touch with doctors from the "new school of HT". That is Zarev, Pittella, Ferreira*. Doctors that see in average donor not 5000-6000 grafts, but 10000+. * Bruno Ferreira is more conservative then Zarev or Pitella, but he often sees in patients around 9000-10000 grafts in donor, cause his extraction zone is large too compared to classical.

Now the most important thing for me are the next live consultations. Based on them, I will draw conclusions and decide where I will perform the second transplant. Obstacle is that now the area to cover is over 200cm2. If the hairline had not been lowered by 2cm, the area to be covered would have been smaller

Guys, are you speaking about first post by Max111 in this thread? Of course it is not from the clinic. It is from unhappy patient. It is just full of sarcasm like this : "you will find my current photographs, which will show you the quality of the services of Krasavchik, NairNeva and Dr. Alim Süleyman better than a thousand words." Definitely not an advertisement 🤣

Wow, just terrible work. Why the hell they didn't extract this grafts And this white hole(in blue circle) between temple points and hairline, wtf is this. Also fronto-temporal angle is obtuse. The doctor that led your surgery, really needs to see this video :

with beard grafts it wouldn't be 11,600-13,600 strands of hair, this number indicates scalp grafts.

If Pittella had taken care of you from the beginning, 11-000-12,000 grafts wouldn't have been unusual. 13,800 grafts, on the other hand, would be among the record holders. Zarev often says that if a patient had transplants before, he can't take as much grafts as if the patient comes to him right away. So i think that this solution to take extra 5500 grafts will deplete donor to this state that longer hairstyle on the sides and back won't be appealing. But again, it is solution that Zarev talks about. The math should be checked and the question is why Pittella assumed this high number of grafts so easily without live consultation.

So I see that, more and more former Eugenix patients are noticing the lack of planning and are looking for other clinics. I agree 100% with what you wrote. Treating lateral humps in your case should start in first procedure and then some grafts could be added in second. Like here : https://youtu.be/XASvPhbsRO4?t=549 Leaving gaps and dissconections is unpleasing. I don't get this idea. Is it to make us unhappy and come back? Homogenous extraction and implantation makes more sense for me. One of the doctors that i talked to said "You can't have surgery every year,you have a life." At the end of the day, it's us who care most about the final result. With this in mind, it is worth choosing a doctor who will spend a little more than 5 minutes planning and just eyeballing the donor. It doesn't have to be at Zarev's level, where everything is calculated to the letter, but I think the closer to this method, the better. My piece of advice. Don't rush in to the next procedure. Talk to different surgeons and take your time analysing all options

I regret going low, because i need at least 6000 grafts behind frontal third 🙃

Yeah, generally the hair callibre in the hairline looks too thick. And some double grafts are visible. The scar is wide, and not in one place, but along its entire length. Possibility of widening of the scar is the only thing that discourages me from FUT Overall, touching up the hairline with FUE and extracting some double and thicker grafts is now an option.

Yeah, it is little tilted down, but i still think in terms of facial proportions it is ok. Unfortunately, i didn't see in your thread this photo with black lines before HT, so i didn't know they lowered it by 2 cm (similar to mine) Of corse it is a guideline and other factors matter, i agree. But i mean, it is what it is right now. If i move my eyebrows and frontalis muscle, hairline near MFP is moving very little, it's not big deal. If you don't have big hairline movement too, i don't see it is worth it to take back hairline higher by 1 cm in 3 surgeries and gain only around 700 grafts. I assumed it is not problem since you post it by yourself on this forum, but ok, i deleted photo with your face visible.

3:09 - Leonardo Da Vinci's rule of thirds 😅 https://youtu.be/T64u40q3t9s?t=189 So generally this rule(with funny reference to Da Vinci) that people in HT community like to bring out says that distance from the hairline(MFP) to glabella should be 1/3 and from glabella to the bottom of face 2/3. I checked your proportions and it is 36,1 % to 63,9%(red and blue line). It means that to achieve perfect 33,33% to 66,66%, your harline should be even lower (like green line). So generally, your harline isn't too low in terms of face proportions. My hairline is lower then yours. They did lower it by 2 cm and my proportions are truely 1/3 to 2/3. So if i were in your shoes, i wouldn't think right now about series of procedures extracting from the hairline, when you have so much available donor. Such a move in your case should be considered as a last resort.

When did you book Zarev consultation for 2025? And Feriduni has also so long waiting list for consultation right now? Harline back up? You want to extract grafts from the hairline? That would take 3 procedures.

Yes, it is. I am not being dramatic. I know video from dr Sethi "HT aren't perfect" - nice damage control by him 🤣 Look at the pictures : Design of the left temple was according to the red line. Blue area shouldn't be bald, but it is. Look at right temple, so much better, it looks fuller. Look at the left temple again : The raw of singles is very straight (like blue line), without any irregularities, looks fake. Another thing is that there is no smooth transition between raw of singles and raw of doubles. It looks like 2 seperate raws and it is bad. Look now at the right temple : It is fuller, it is no so straight and transition between raw of singles and doubles looks smoother. If they added more raw singles like Dr Sethi educates, it would be even more smooth. Well, yes i saw your topic some time ago but now i inspected the photos closely. You were classified and treated as Norwood 3 patient, but you are not. There are not many photos in your topic from Eugenix photosession, but this one clearly shows the balding pattern : Frontal third in the worst condition, however there is strong miniaturisation, diffuse thining across midscalp and crown. So basically it is Norwood 5. Frontal third doesn't look like Norwood 3 either. So it is clearly visible on this photo that midscalp and crown need a lot of grafts. And i see that in your last surgery Eugenix decided to forget about your Norwood 5 baldness and push forward with temple restoration, sounds familiar. Well, that is wishful thinking and not gonna happen mate. I think you should consult with other clinic, surgeon that specialize in diffuse thinning cases like you have. And that's just my honest opinion, you can have different goals and i respect that.

So if i am not mistaken, now you can become hairrestorationnetwork recommended surgeon even if there is literally 0 reviews posted by patients on forum. Interesting. Besides remember, It is paid reccomendation, doesn't mean anything. What matters is patient reviews and stories.

The dude decided to remove all content from all his posts on this thread🙃