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Personally I think its too early to say that there is an issue.. everyone heals at a different pace.. I too was concerned about this after my FUE (3 month post HT currently), but it certainly keeps subsiding after every month.... best of luck

Good to stay back at least 48 hours.. get your first couple of washes at the clinics and they can inspect to make sure everything is ok.. plus the clinic will pay for those 2 nights at the hotel.. lots of eating options around the Sheraton they will put up in.. Best of luck

Amazing transformation.. and an equally well presented case.. great stuff

your overall expectations will be key.. not expecting people to say "he's going bald" is, in my opinion, a tall order... as people have mentioned, HT is an illusion of density, specially for people with higher norwood and less than ideal donor... if you do go ahead... FUT+ DUE or FUE + BHT will be your options... its good that your sides have still not fallen completely... i would suggest you try min/fin since you have lots of miniaturized hair and those may get some help...but they are both lifetime commitments, so only do if your serious about moving ahead with addressing your hair loss.. best of luck

true... that was the thought behind going to H&W for the 1st.. now I am thinking of going to Eugenix next year for the 2nd HT.. thanks

your donor looks good. Pretty confident you will have a great cosmetic improvement via an HT should you choose to go with a good doctor.. lots of people here have had an HT and dont take Finas, and seem to be doing well.. best of luck..

Did you notice any initial shedding when you started taking finas (if so, when did it start/stop)... topical or oral ? .. Are you planning on re-starting after future HT (I recall you mentioned you were planning on a future HT) I should be getting my topical finas soon (takes 3 months for prescription to fill), so trying to gauge what to expect when I start using it.

Not only is that an inaccurate characterization of what I have said so far, but some poor choice of words too re: "hate" "disgruntled"... You have been very helpful to me both directly (via private messages) and indirectly (maintaining this forum), so I will definitely give you the benefit of doubt, that you didnt mean those words in their true sense. I dont hate anybody in this world.. life's too short for that and no one is that important frankly... I dont have any agenda against anyone (I wish I had that much time on hand)... I am simply sharing experiences from my personal journey, which I am hoping is a tiny way of giving back to people in the same position as I was or am... Some of my experiences were positives and some werent... Does that mean everyone else's experiences will be the same as mine.. of course not (the adults in this forum get that).. hence if I had great experience with Nadimi and H&W, does that mean no one will have bad experience with them.. of course not.. similarly, my experience with Rahal was not great, does that mean no one will have a great experience with him.. of course not... In fact in some of my Rahal comments you referred too, I clearly stated that I am not commenting on this skills, which I am sure they are great given all the positive reviews.. I simply thought that my personal consultation was rushed, and I was aggressively sold PRP and SMP. when I didnt wanted it.. my expectations were also quite modest.. at a minimum I wanted a frontal 3rd done to frame my face... which is what I eventually got done 3 years after my Rahal consultation I recall reading this forum extensively prior to having my consultation with Rahal, which is why I was even more gutted and truly felt that I had no other option beyond PRP/SMP (because my impression was that this is one of the best clinics in the world).. Is that completely on Rahal.. No.. I could have done better research and been more well equipped to take the rejection and I take accountability for that.... But life happened, and I simply gave up for another 2 years, until I re-started my research again.. During this research I came across some great honest feedback.. basically what was possible and what was not.. For instance Dr Nadimi told me what I can expect as for sure in terms of cosmetic improvement, and then what I "might" be able to achieve in future HT's given that I recover well etc... 2 clinics went even further, and said while they can give me a decent level of cosmetic improvement, they think I have a better shot if I went to a clinic that also did BHT (which I thought was great level of honesty) Based on this, my 'personal' opinion (and maybe I am wrong) is that Rahal seems to not focus on difficult cases. In my past comments, I even qualified this opinion of mine by saying that "its his business and he can run it as he pleases" but it would have been helpful, at least in my personal experience, had he taking more of a patient approach (and transparent feedback) as oppose to business centric, which in my case was trying to sell me PRP/SMP.....again that is just my personal experience. Does that mean the clinic wouldnt be a good choice for others, of course not. I am sure they can do wonders for other patients. Thats it... nothing more or less... No hatred or disgruntleness .. just simply sharing my personal experience (and trying to keep it balanced as much as possible, even when my own experience was not great) so just in case anyone else is in my similar shoes gets a rejection, they shouldn't feel like its the end of the road (I also get that for some HT may truly not be an option)... I think I shared a negative personal experience as balanced as I could, and I believe @Westview was also sharing a balanced opinion. And the example you shared to counter the views (which again is not needed, as we both agreed there are two sides to this) is also of NW2, minimal thinning, almost no family history of baldness, on meds.. and pre-HT hair that most bald people will give up their 5th born for.... which actually reinforces my overall assessment of the clinic...

Dr Jones did share some patient pics over watsapp with me... so you can go down that route too... fyi.. he was not doing any in person consultation 9 months ago due to covid.. so not sure if he's changed that now ... best of luck..

In GTA, you dont have much (any) options.. There is Dr Jones in Oakville, but I have almost never seen a patient of his posting their results .. Rahal in Ottawa will simply reject you because your end results are not going to be worth his hall of fame... your only good option in Canada is H&W in Vancouver... there are also many more options in US, Europe and India.. but I guess you want to stay within Canada.. best of luck..

I have had an in-person consultation with Rahal, a few years back, and in hindsight, I wish I had never wasted a single minute meeting him, let alone a 4 hr travel and an overnight hotel stay. My personal opinion is that he simply looks for 'poster' worthy cases, and avoids challenging cases. I get that its a business and he can run it as he pleases, but as a doctor, it would be nice if he was more transparent and clear in his evaluation. He spent about 5 mins talking to me, and simply started selling me PRP and SMP, when I clearly said I was not open to it. For the next 6 months, his sales rep kept trying to sell PRP and SMP..... This is not to say Rahal doesnt have skills, but my overall impression was that this place was more about mass business than individual patient care.. I also had an in-person consultation with Dr Nadimi. She came across as a thorough professional. Dont expect her to sugar coat anything, but I found her to be honest, attentive to your expectations and never tried to sell her opinion to you. Even her online communication was impeccable.. Frankly, I never had to wait more than 12 hours for her reply.. she was detailed, to the point and very helpful.. Granted she is less experienced than some other doctors, but I believe that her waiting list (and perhaps even prices) will soon be elite level... I would also advise you to look into H&W.. (Thats the clinic I finally went ahead with). best of luck..

as @Gatsbysaid.. do a lot of research and ask a lot of questions.. things are not as 'black and white' nor linear as they may seem aka just because there is a notion that FUT before FUE yields more lifetime graft, doesnt mean that applies to all potential patient or situations... From personal experience, your initial feedback from H&W can just come from the consultant, based on their experience.. this doesnt however have to be the final word... You can share more information and have further conversation with the consultant or ask to get direct feedback from the docs.. again this doesnt mean that their recommendation will not change based on additional feedback, better pics or in person conversation... also know that Dr Hasson primarily now only focusses on FUE (at least thats what I was told) while Dr Wong does both (but of course he does a fair chunk of the clinics FUT's)... from personal experience, my communication with H&W was over several months/years, and between that time my prognosis evolved quite a bit.. I went from being a good candidate, to not so good, to good again, to FUT strongly recommended to FUT or FUE not making a big difference in my case... And the reason for differing opinion was simply more information (my preferences evolved, I shared better pics, I spoke to the consultant over the phone vs email, I had an in-person evaluation with the doc vs email)....while most clinics are good at giving decently accurate virtual recommendation, in my opinion nothing replaces an in-person doctor consultation... level of miniaturization, hair caliber, skin laxity, etc can all either further reinforce your initial recommended option, or slight shift favor to another (FUT vs FUE).. for example in my case, simply the fact that the lead tech involved in my HT was, in Dr Wong's opinion, "not just the best in North america, but perhaps the world", improved my FUE odds significantly (as her transection rates are minimal)... best of luck..

Not a lot of options in GTA.. within canada, H&W is your best option IMO.. dr wong is great with diffuse thinners.. While you havent shown any pics and while its true that not everyone is a good candidate, I would not get too discouraged by Rahal's rejection. His inaccurate assessment costed me 2 years of inaction. If you do decide to share pics, I am sure you will get honest and robust advice on this forum Best of luck..

I havent been to a barber in years. I simply buzz my hair for the last 8 or so years.. i know tons of ppl who have gone down tht route and loved it... give it a try, you may just like it.. you dont have anytnin to lose, jus to gain in this strategy...

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Most, if not all, medical interventions have the possibilities of unintended consequences. its good to research and know about them, but I do think you need to focus on the probabilities of those unintended consequences.. heck, even a hair transplant is not a sure shot... many fail, or not yield the result you want.. even hair system can cause issues.. Dont take this the wrong way.... But I do think your focusing too much on the negatives or the relatively smaller unintended consequences... with that mind frame, the 'only' option you have that will have a 100% success rate.. is to simply shave off your head, and make peace with it... pretty much any other alternative will come with some possibility of unintended consequences, which I dont think you are ready to entertain...

In my opinion, there are only 2 things humanity has ever created (with enough long term supporting data) to fight hair loss.. thats HT and Finas (Minox comes third).. I am sure other things like Biotin, supplements, dutas, saw P, Nizoral, microneedles, laser hats, PRP, onion oil, hanging upside down for an hour a day... may help someone but I just dont think they are part of a long term robust strategy (maybe ppl can put an arguement for dutas) Frankly, if you keep searching for "non-finas solutions" you will come across tons of example of "miracles".. but just know that its only because you are looking for them, and secondly, they are part of the exception not the norm... in short, yes your options are limited (which btw is not a bad thing if you think about it).. No I did not get an HT fron Bisanga, but I am considering him for my 2nd HT as I will most likely need to use my beard for future HT and he seems to be good with it.. I havent used Fin before, but I ordered it 1.5 months back and I am waiting for it (topical).. I didnt use Fin in the past because I was young and not well researched (I feel you are in that position today) I would suggest you spend some time researching topical Finas or dutas.. I am no expert, but I believe that they have the potential to be the next game changer/gold standard, given their potential benefit with little/ no (dare I say) side effects... My HT surgeon had full confidence recommending me topical finas (not to confuse you, but since Topical finas is not FDA approved, its compounded by pharmacies.. which means that topical finas bought from different sources can have slightly different formulations.. so try to get it from an accredited place) Since all hair loss medication are recommended to be taken for life, you need to have a positive mind frame if you choose to go down the med route.. meaning that if you keep thinking negatively then chances are that you will have side effects (placebo)... our bodies naturally slow down, and things (hint hint) dont always work the same way they did when we were 16... so if you keep thinking about finas, you may simply blame age related rustiness to finas.. that will be a losing battle...

Hi bud.. I can imagine losing hair and not knowing what to do about it can be stressful. Trust me, been there.. I read all the comments here, and here is my honest 2 cents for you: - take a break/pause.. hair loss is a marathon and I dont think you ever solve it, you simply find ways to manage it to your expectations - think long term. What are your expectations 2 / 5/ 10+ years from now.. meaning are you adamant to have a full dense head of hair (that may be difficult to achieve for most), or are you ok to have some thinning with maybe a light crown or no crown coverage.. (each one of those will have a different action plan) - you seem to be a diffuse thinner, so was I (I say "was", because I lost most of my hair, not because I found a cure.. sorry dont mean to scare you).. and I can tell you that as a diffuse thinner starting from age 26, while I didnt like the way my hair looked at present, I always yearned for the hair I saw in photos a year back.. in short, its all relative.. you may think your hair looks bad today, but 2 years from now, you may do anything to dial back just 2 years .. - I think by now you get this.. but no one is saying you 'are' a NW5 or 6 but that you 'may' turn into one.. similarly, I read Dr Bisanga's evaluation as you not being a good candidate 'now'... but you may in the future.. frankly thats actually a good evaluation in my opinion, as you still have a lot of hair that you can lose due to shock loss.. when I was 28 yrs old, I went to a doctor, who said I was a great candidate for HT and recommended 3200 grafts.... thank god I didnt go ahead with his recommendation, as I am sure that was a bad decision in hindsight ( i feel you are in that situation today).. What I do regret from that time is that I didnt start any medication.. I do wish I had given finas a try then.. but alas.. - If it makes you feel any better, dr. Bisanga was also somewhat skeptical about my case, and even the doctor I eventually got my HT done recently(I am 39 now), initially said no to me... the point I am trying to make here is, dont feel down if you get an answer from a doctor that you dont like... its fine.. its completely normal to get different opinions from doctors, and the reasons can be varied (ethics, skills, preference, specialty, bad photos, etc) 2 years back I got a 'your not a candidate" from a very well respected doctor, and because I wasnt well researched, it really put me down.. the point here is... take your time, do your research and trust me, just like in the movie Matrix, you will start to see things very differently once you have a better handle of things. (just fyi.. i now take oral minox, and have ordered topical finas, and waiting for delivery) - finally, the advice you get on this forum is pure GOLD, especially from some of the seasoned people here... you wont even get this much dedication from most clinics.. use it, consume it, learn from it, and hopefully you learn to manage this beast called hairloss

He mentioned he had good initial results, but then one patient had some unexpected results. He did mention some term, but I totally dont recall. This was an in person conversation, and the overall sense I got was not that he was commenting on the viability of BHT, but just that he simply decided to stop doing it.

thanks bud.... although Dr Wong did recently tell me that he stopped BHT while back...

Would appreciate if people can share who in their opinion are the top 5 BHT clinics/doctors out there ? I have seen good results from eugenix, konior, bisanga and others, but interested to get other opinions too Thanks

While no words will turn back time and reverse the experience you have had, as a stranger reading your comment, 48 hours after my very first HT, I must say it seems you have handled yourself with great poise, balance and composure despite the cards you have been dealt with. And while there are no good "candidates" to go through what you have gone through (I wouldnt wish it on my enemies frankly) I do believe, from the little I have read, that you have the right attitude to turn this adversity around into a positive story eventually. I look forward to reading your turn around/success story in the near future

sorry that you have been experiencing hair loss since 16. Could imagine it wasnt fun at such a young age.. You seem to be given yourself a decent shot by your current regimen.. You will find a lot of admirers for Eugenix here, and although I havent personally dealt with them, they are definitely one of the clinic you should consult with at some point, especially since they have a lot of experience with high NW (in case you end up being one). Not sure where you are located, but personally I didnt find a lot of clinic big on BHT in North America. Mostly Europe and Eugenix in India... I did however personally meet with Dr Nadimi in Chicago, and she mentioend she performs BHT also (she came across as honest, and good at what she does) The other school of thought will tell you to not go for FUE, but instead go the FUT route first, to maximize your potential lifetime grafts, especially if you are concerned you may end up at NW7.... In that case, you should at some point, consult with H&W. (they do not perform BHT).. you can of course go for FUE/BHT in your 2nd procedure, if it come to that, which for most NW7, it will...

Judging by your time record, you seem like a meticulous person.. and you are probably over analyzing your hair state... frankly the hair you have currently, many (myself included) would drop a pretty penny to have.... with your regimen, I dont see an HT in the near future i.e you dont need one

True. From what I am told, Dr Hasson 'only' does FUE now, while Dr Wong does both...