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I do not agree with you.
If I see someone like the young JN, I say "ok, he has receding hairline, but he won't be bald"
If I see someone like the young DDV, I say "He will be bald soon".
 

Nobody can tell you what can happen to you if you take fina.
if you are lucky, you can get no sides and get a lot of hair.
In other cases, you can suffer liquid spero or can get reversible impotence while getting some hair.
If you are very unlucky you can suffer PFS and no hair growth.

 

On 12/25/2019 at 12:56 PM, jonathande said:

Hi,

 

I performed my first hair transplant in 2016 with Dr Demirsoy and I wasn't very satisfied with the results (See link further below). Years have passed and I finally feel the need to to another HT but this time - I am considering Long hair fue to just fill my crown and make it thicker.

You learn a lot doing your first HT and some aspects I have learnt is to pay more careful attention to technique being used (The devil lies in the details) for a successful HT.

Here are some principles:

• Basically - I am considering 500-1000 grafts in crown
• Manual extraction (NOT MOTORIZED LIKE DEMIRSOY)
• Not trying to accomplish to many grafts in one session (nurses/surgeon get tired -> sloppy - > bad results)
• Long Hair FUE preferably - Being shaved and having a funny hair cut for 6-8 months is a large part of your life..

Thus, I look for recommendation on surgeon with or nearly 100% satsifactory rate, manual extraction and possible capable of long hair FUE.

 

For now - I am considering ASMED Surgical Medical Center which both offers long hair fue and manual extraction plus extremely good reviews. I am up to travel anywhere in the world but it all comes down to value for money. 

 

See my old post here:

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ASMED is one of the very few chain Clinique having Long hair fue.
Anyway, it is very expensive (5 euro/graft) and I suggest not to go there considering the results you can see on many many boards.

If you do not want to shave your head, you can have a FUT or you can have shave your donor area only.
There are a lot of good docs providing half shaved fue for a very reasonable price.

2500/3000

IMHO, you needed more grafts.
Looking at your pics, the hairline doesn't look dense enough. I hope to be wrong.

Sure, I agree with you.
Anyway, any case is different and the protocols work for 90% of people and not for everybody. This is why I would to pay an online consultation before HT to ask my questions.
 

My big problem is that I can’t talk with the doc or with another doc to ask these questions.

i talk with a kind italian guy but he has not any medical background so he can’t be very helpful.

10 hours ago, Guano said:

I ended up choosing Pekiner.. Surgery is coming very soon

I'll be there from 5.1. to 9.1. What about you? 

6 hours ago, Guano said:

I have a worry. My hair transplant is due very soon & my surgeon has asked me to stop using minoxidil 2 weeks prior to surgery. I'm worried because when I do, the hairs obviously shrink, making it look less dense. 

This is only a worry cause I want minimal damage to the native hairs around the transplanted ones. I know that the surgeon will be using a microscope when conducting the procedure and would have the ability to see the hairs, but what is the primary logic behind it?.. if the hairs are still there, why should I need to halt my minox regimin?

 What did you decide? Pekiner or Demisory?

On 12/9/2019 at 5:59 PM, Dr. Rahal said:

@John Doe I know it seems like a long time but you're not at the final result. Some patients see results faster than others. We will have a better idea in a few more months so let's give it more time. We're here if you have any questions and of course we'll be in touch. 

please stop to say he needs to wait and be honest. 
There is a gap between his native and his transplanted hair. It was visible from day 1. the only two thing that can fix that problem are a new Ht or Lourdes' water based lotion.
 

@guestY no, only from the bacj

5 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

How long ago did you re-start derma rolling?

2 and 1/2 months

5 hours ago, hairlossPA said:

very scientific 

what a useless comment.
When I need a scientific approach, I follow a scientific method.
Now, I'm just sharing a pic. Don't you like it? Stay away from this thread.

10 new hair since i decided to restart dr

5 hours ago, futurenow said:

Hi people, please watch this case:

https://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=82788

The photos speak and it seems they don't want to apply the guarantee

it is in Spanish...I'm Italian but I can't understand written Spanish. 

1 hour ago, Fozzie said:

I may be wrong, but not sure that is the case. Reading patient accounts, sounds as though the original hairline is drawn in the consultation without the hair shaved. Hair then shaved and the hairline then tweaked if required. Again, may be wrong but that's how it's sounds from reading the numerous write ups from ASMED patients.

ASmed told me that they shave the head and then draw the hairline.

i planned to go there from 6/12 to 12/12. The operation days was 10 and 11.

they told me “we are sorry. We will shave your head the 7 to draw the hairline. So, during the weekend you will be bald and with the hairline designed on your head”

For the record: I didn't gp because I choose Pekiner at the very last moment

ASMED should write something here instead to open a new topic showing a good case.

That is a very good result.
Anyway, considering it is advertising of yours, you pick the best you can.
Every clinic (even the worst low cost) has good results to show.
The problem is there are a lot pf poor results reports on this board. And poor result are much more than good result.
Maybe you should write something there to explain what it is going on with your clinic.
 

I can't see any aesthetic change.

1 hour ago, RobertFUE said:

 

JAYLDD why dont you shave your head so we can see the hairline and donar zones and post pictures on here, i dare you then you can prove to the world how great koray erdogan really is.

 

Maybe he has a marvelous head because he had a good team for his HT.
The problem is that Asmed has a lot of team and we see a lot of poor results.

3 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

I think JayLDD is right in stating that even top doctors don't implant or extract. Having assistants to look at the grafts under microscopes is also important. The big difference is you can end up with inexperienced teenagers at ASMED. Many are so young that it is not possible they have much experience. At H&W for example, the assistants have decades of experience.

I think at this point, after all the negative patient posts regarding work done at ASMED, it's burying your head in the sand to claim there is not a problem. Some of the hairline work he is producing is absolutely atrocious and there is a strong rumor that he is performing 9 surgery's per day. It is therefore clear why he has the most ' patient results '. It is the very definition of a hair transplant factory, like it or not. I believe he began life as one of the best. Not now.

 

The only surgeons worth considering are in Ankara, not Istanbul. It's a shame because Ankara isn't a nice place. I think people should avoid Turkey entirely however. 

 

AMEN!
It is what I've been saying during the last 2 days.
Maybe koray is the best in the world but if he uses young unexperienced guys to make 50% of the works, who cares he is the best?
We should consider results and much of the results are very poor in the last years.

1 hour ago, JayLDD said:

 

stop ignoring statistics and focusing on a select few cases. He has more patient posted cases than any other doctor in the world. If you looked with a statistical mindset at virtually any other surgeon you’d conclude that apart from 18-6 months ago he is among the most consistent in the world, and for FUE megasessions he is one of the most successful.

That's the problem "ha has more patient posted cases than any doctor in the world"
He should work less and pay more attention to the quality of his works. A lot of cases are good? Great but too many cases are POOR.
 

8 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

This is a great topic, because as you said we want hair, but we want to feel good, and let’s face it: as men testosterone is the feel good hormone.

Dr. Glenn Charles is the perfect person to answer. I’m gonna reach out to him, he’s wealth of knowledge. 

thanks @Mavin !
I'm doing my home-work and reading a lot of stuff.
Looking on this topic, I found an interesting theory about hair loss and testosterone/DHT.
High DHT level are the effect and not the cause of hair loss. If this statement is true, it can change a lot in TRT management to fight hair loss.
According to this theory, hair loss is related to recused fat layers in scalp. low fat layer damage hair follicles ---> to repair hair our bodies produce more test/DHT (according to this theory, test and DHT increase hair growth)--->the more DHT causes fat layers to reduce further ---> more hair follicles damage---> more hair loss.
So, far injections (that are proven to work) can allow us to use test with no problem.*


* consider that fat cell are the first source of aromatase, so more fat means more estrogen.
 

6 hours ago, LaserCap said:

transplantedphil is absolutely right.  Consider it takes a full year to truly see results.  So, if you are new to the industry, you'll want to wait a good year and start making adjustments.  This will continue in the ensuing years until you get natural results.  Every doctor has to go through this.

 

I do question the number of grafts.  You are thinning your entire front and part of the mid scalp. Seems as if he is only going to work the hairline and perhaps 1" behind it?  The issue is - you've lost..and will continue losing.  Best to do more and have the doctor blend grafts towards the mid scalp so there is connection.  And, more importantly, get on some medical regimen to help you retain the native hair. 

 

 

When doc works among native hair, he can damage the exiting follicles.
IMHO it is better he rebuilds his hairline. If he will lose more hair in the future, he will get another procedure.

5 hours ago, JayLDD said:

Nonsense post by someone who doesn't understand how hair transplants work. The same you suggest here could be said of Rahal, Lorenzo, Hasson/Wong, Freitas and Feriduni, all of those are very high level surgeons that perform FUE, some of them at the very peak level.  None of them perform extractions or implantations, so by time spent performing the surgery they also do "less than half the work".  Yet no one makes this argument for these surgeons.

 

 Stop yo offense  and be humble.
a) you defend koray saying that he is one of the top.
 I told you it can be true but if other people make 50% of the work, you can be the best of the world, other people can destroy what you are doing.
b) a lot of top surgeon act the way koray acts?
everybody is responsible for his team. koray his the best but his works are weak? Maybe koray is the best but his team sucks 
H&W for example has had the same technicians for ten years. Can you say the same thing for koray? 

There are tons of poor work from koray Clinique. Stop defending him everywhere, as you do, saying he is a TOP!
He is a TOP? I'm with you but who cares? the HT from his Clinique are POOR.
behind the picture you see here there are SUFFERING people, people who spent a LOT of money and sometimes look worse than they were.
Show them some respect and stop acting like a funboy.