duchaine

IMHO you look great.
When you have miniaturization, the crown is 50% a matter of lighting. Fibers can be helpful, giving the "shadows" that you need.
I see a great coverage effect from using having a minor micropigmetation and using fibers. A multifactorial approach gives a better result than the "mono therapy" that makes the camouflage more visibile.
If I was you, I would continue with fibers (and semi-permanent micropigmentation).
I would push hard with therapies (fina, mino, keto, DR, some prp, duta mesotherapy) and wait for a second surgery.

@michael hofmann
A botched hair transplant can be psychologically hard. Hope things will turn better for you.
I'm an ex patient of HLC. My experience was good, the end result was very good but I do not hesitate to say that the clinic has some flaws: a) they over use grafts; b) I don't like the attitude that some doctors have with the patient; c) they after care is very poor.
I saw some excellent cases; hundreds of good cases; just a little bunch of average cases from this clinic.
You are the only one that is delusional and has all the right to blame HLC.


My fault, I didn't see some of your pics so it is fair I apologize to you and edit my previous post.

As another person said, every clinic can have bad cases. The way the clinic handle it makes the difference.
I highlighted that HLC after care is very poor but  your case is far beyond "poor after care".
After the first failed HT, it is totally unethical and unacceptable the way they went for a second op.
If the first time they could justify themselves saying that the "end result" in unpredictable, the second time the clinic has nothing to support their actions.





 

On 7/23/2022 at 9:38 PM, THE TRUTH said:

I know Kramer....

Yeah he is the german version of Spencer Stevenson aka Spex...

Just a salesman who is promoting clinics he's been working with... 

Allright thanks.  Looking forward to see additionnal pics. 

Man I feel bad for you...😢

Like I said, consult with an excellent and very experienced lawyer and see what your options are from a legal standpoint. 

If they are ethical (which I highly doubt considering how they played you like a fool  but I hope I'm wrong...) they should give double the price of a full refund for this poor result, head disfigurement and wasted resources....

Here are your options. 

1) Get SMP and shave your head. That will conceal both your balding pattern on top and your damaged donor.

Be careful though. The SMP industry is a minefield just like the hair transplant industry. The last thing you want is a botched SMP because it's really hard to remove. Do your research carefully. Also SMP often fade away quicker than what they promise you so beware you'll need touch-ups. SMP has advantages and disadvantages. 

2) Go to an worldclass repair doctor. I have no idea how much resources you have left in the scalp, beard and body hairs so I don't even know if it's possible at this stage. But still worth consulting. 

Dr. Umar from Los Angeles used to be the best for body hair repairs.  Dr. Konior is arguably the best surgeon in the world. But his prices are astronomical. 

Dr. Bisanga and Dr. Pinto are also good repair docs in Europe. Only downside with Bisanga is that he sometimes turns you off when the donor supply is not there anymore whereas Pinto is fully booked at the moment. 

As far as more affordable options

Ferreira and Ximena are also good options to consider. They have Lorenzo's skills but without his  hairmill aspect...Ximena has done some amazing repairs on Mesiasss4, a spanish youtuber who was also in a similar situation like you. 

HDC Cyprus has sucessfully repaired Doron Harati and Marcos Ximenez Lopez...

Dr. Cooley in the US is also a good repair doc. 

Sethi is also excellent for repairs jut recently there was a pretty "weird" result (TrackRat) 

 

 

are you the other account of EvansLawrance?

12 hours ago, jjalay said:

If i am a mediocre thinker then enlight me with your wisdom please, which are these trendy doctors nowadays according to your opinion? Because i have never heard such a thing as a trendy doctor...

Enlight me with these comments that you also made:

"I saw Couto's works, De Freitas's works etc in great details.
They use 50-60% of the grafts HLC used to cover that area.
At the end of the story, you pay more at HLC..."

"You suggest that HLC doesn't even play in the same league of Couto or Bisanga. Do I agree? NO!"

I hope that you understand that this doesnt make any sense at all.

I would love we were talking on Facebook, So I could block you and stop wasting my time.

Do I think that HLC uses too much grafts? YES
I do think that Couto or De Freitas or Bisanga are better than HLC? YES
Do I think they are a different league? NO

Because you showed not to understand the easiest concepts, I try to explain you with an example.
Do I think that Napoli waste too many goals? YES
Do I Think that Real better than Napoli? Yes
Are Real Madrid and Napoli in different league? NO

12 hours ago, jjalay said:

Does this group of people that you are talking about also includes you?direct quote from you:

I could subscribe your review and make it mine.
They didn't "damage" me but, considering the number of grafts they used, the result is a little bit disappointing.
at 6 months I looked great but I looked great because I spent the whole "pandemic" period taking care of my hair, so the density and. the thickness improved all over my scalp.

I think that with your state of mind and the way you are thinking you should not get involved with hairtransplants.

I see that "mediocre thinker" was a compliment to you. You are completely unable to make syntactic connection.

I commented his pics before he showed the END RESULT and if I was the guy I was a LITTLE DISAPPOINTED at 6 months considering THE NUMBER OF GRAFTS they used.
When He posted the END RESULT, with no deceptive pictures, I can see that is a very good.
If someone  want to use this case to throw shxx on HLC is stupid, in bath faith or both.


 

Some of you are criticizing HLC for turning the guy on the left into the guy on the right.
From what I see, a surgeon is not the kind of doctor that you really need.

40 minutes ago, BackFromTheBrink said:

awesome - find one by Dr Zarev please.

20 minutes ago, jjalay said:

 

Considering the time that you spend here, I can't consider you an average consumer.
But, considering your statement, I feel free to consider you a mediocre thinker.
 

41 minutes ago, BackFromTheBrink said:

awesome - find one by Dr Zarev please.

If Zarev have none, this would be the case of the exception that confirms the rule.

How many cases of Zarev can you find on this or other forums?
We are talking about doctors that  have thousands of reports.

Now, if you love trolling, deal with it.

34 minutes ago, jjalay said:

If you are thinking about getting a hairtransplant as a consumer buying a new rock style and not as a real patient seeking medical therapy i would strongly suggest to not do anything.

OMG, my statement is so easy!
This is not how I see a doctor but how people look at doctors!

If someone is trendy, everything he does ...is considered great.
If not, nobody takes care oh him.

The average consumer is an idiot.
 

2 minutes ago, jjalay said:

Surgeons are like clothes? What is that supposed to mean? No, there are surgeons that are not like clothes, they see patients not customers and they consistently produce good work.

Couto cannot reach the level of density many people desire? Have you seen some of his results and where did you came up with this idea?

If you are not getting excited with the work that Bisanga is producing i am afraid nothing will excite you.

If a clinic has 1000 patients per year as you say my advice would be to stay away, this is focusing on quantity and not quality. There is a reason that most of the top surgeons in the world are only doing one patient per day and this is because they are giving 100% of the efforts and focus of their team to this patient in order to achieve the best results.

If you consider a surgeon like a rock style, sure they are. They are something on style, just like any other consumeristic product.
As I can see, a lot of you miss any objectivity.
You can see on this board cases of couto lacking density. I won't link the threads just because I do not want to offed the patients.

1000 patients/4 doctors/250 cases per year. That means a patient per day,
So, do your math.

On 9/24/2022 at 2:43 AM, Xanadu said:

All the botched posts about HLC seem to mention the same doctors.

Sure! The same person is writing the same statement everywhere.

10 minutes ago, duchaine said:

Surgeons are like clothes. When the fashion says that something is cool, people say is cool.
I saw great cases from unknown docs and many of you commented "not bad" at the best.
I saw poor cases from great docs and many of you saying "yeah, but ..." 
during the last two week, I saw that it is a new trend thrown shXx on HLC.

You suggest that HLC doesn't even play in the same league of Couto or Bisanga. Do I agree? NO!
bisanga is very skilled but I never get exited by his works that (IMHO) lack of an "artistic" side. Couto is an artist, I consider him the best to frame faces but can't reach the level of density many people desire. 
HLC is 8 on everything (I will open a new thread on this): very goos hairline design, very good density, very good extractions.

If you try to say that HLC showing some "poor" cases...you clearly are wrong.
You could find unsatistfied patients and bad cases from every top surgeon in the world.
HLC had something like 10.000 patients during the last 10 years and you can barely find 10 wrong cases that means 0,1%. Maybe  just like any other Top in the world.

I think I'm the only one having experiences with both of them.
They are not even close.
Ferreira is an outlier and has an amazing knowledge: aestethic and biochemistry.
Peknnner is a very good doctor.


Is Ferreira worth 1 euro more than Pek?
I will tell you my personal experience.
Pekiner aborted my HT saying that my grafts were sick. I lost 200 grafts for nothing (they were literally thrown into the toilet!)
Ferreira analized my grafts for free and said that they were fine and gave me the courage to take an HT (not with him).
The end result was great. That means Fereria was right and PEK was wrong.
So, what do you think? Does Ferreira worth more for me?

3 hours ago, FaganBecker said:

That's not the case with me. They did 50cm2 for the hairline and then for adding density to the frontal area, 20cm2. Though I suspect I will in the not too distant future need to have another transplant.

do you have a pic with the drawn HL before incisions?

56 minutes ago, jjalay said:

You really cant compare de freitas or bisanga with hlc. Its like you are comparing real madrid or barcelona with fenerbahce.

Check out this cases from hlc in this forum:

Every elite doctor that is reccomended in this forum could have given a better result with almost half of the grafts that were used in these cases. And i dont think you will find a 23 year old patient getting 3000 grafts to lower the hairline and fill in the temples from Bisanga.

Surgeons are like clothes. When the fashion says that something is cool, people say is cool.

I saw great cases from unknown docs and many of you commented "not bad" at the best.

I saw poor cases from great docs and many of you saying "yeah, but ..." 

For example, bisanga is very skilled but I never get exited by his works. Couto is the best to frame faces but can't reach the level of density many people desire. 
It is a matter of taste.
HLC is 8 on everything (I will open a new thread on this): very goos hairline design, very good density, very good extractions.
I could find unsatistfied patients and bad cases from every top surgeon in the world.
HLC had something like 10.000 patients during the last 10 years and you can barely find 10 wrong cases that means 0,1%.

On 10/28/2023 at 5:21 PM, jjalay said:

You have a couple of multis on both sides and on the front of the hairline, i could count at least 15 on each side. At this stage though its really hard to make any final judgments because you are at the begin of your hair growth. I mean when in the next 3 months the hair growth evolves and many single grafts are starting to pop out this will improve the appearance of your hairline and completely conceal these multigrafts. In the other case if more multis are growing in the hairline and you are not satisfied with it you can always repair it and do a refinement of the hairline by adding more singles.

At this stage you really should not worry about it and just be patience for the next couple months.

great point!

54 minutes ago, Idan said:

Couto's work is the real exception in my opinion. He uses a minimum amount of grafts which is amazing considering his results.

De Freitas uses much more than Couto, and I don't think he uses a lot less than HLC. Pekiner, Keser uses the same amount as HLC.

Bisanga for instance uses a lot of grafts too, sometimes even more in my opinion. 

In the end of the day, it's about the desired density. HLC does 50 grafts/cm2 at maximum (Melvin said that you need at least 45 grafts/cm2 in the hairline), but maybe other surgeons use the grafts more efficiently before the hairline.

You can find Elif in this page:

https://www.fue-hlc.com/hairline-clinic/

 

what I can see is that HLC uses a lot of grafts among natives.
What I see is HLC calculate 50cm2 even where the patient has native. It sounds strange...
 

My only concern about HLC is they use sometimes too many grafts (especially for small areas).
That said, I think your results were very good.
I show your pics to a friend of mine, full of hair, aesthetic doc.
He said that your HLC was perfect to him.

You decided to completely change the shape of your hairline with couto, working on temporal peaks and brining you to a NW 0. Good for you, but that doesn't mean HLC didn't give you a good HT.
You call your 2th op a repair. That is not a repair. In any meaning you want to consider the word "repair", it is not.

On 12/21/2021 at 10:53 PM, EvansLawrence said:

Oh I understand. Well money goes normally with quality but not always. Plus its about 3800 € or more cause the blood test and medication are not inlcuided. This is a new doctor who has worked with De Freitas for 2 years, then in other clinic and now she has her new and own clinic. She is starting and still young, therefore she can not charge as much. But if you see her cases you freak out. Is not 100% sure yet but she will most likely be my choice.

who is she? Cotelessa?

great hairline design, I think the density is very appropriate...I just think HLC overuses grafts.
I saw Couto's works, De Freitas's works etc in great details.
They use 50-60% of the grafts HLC used to cover that area.
At the end of the story, you pay more at HLC...

PS is ALIF still there?
I saw looking for ever but could not find on HLC page

3 hours ago, BackFromTheBrink said:

Inflation in turkey currently is unprecedented.

Government figures are 50ish perfect, but on the ground they’re reporting over 100% in reality. I can’t see transplant costs remaining as low as they currently are for long.

I see.
Bicer apart, do you think is it worth paying a Turkish transplant the same price of a Spanish transplant?
Was Turkish TOP surgeons (Peki...ner, Keser, Bicer, Ozgur) underpaid before or are they overpriced now?

3 hours ago, Gatsby said:

I think Dr Bicer has the best after care as a physician possibly in the business. She does pretty much all the work entailed herself over a long day. She has had patients stay in her home if they were sick before and genuinely cares about them. She continually upgrades her qualifications and skills every year. 

4 manual and 3 motorized extractions.

I do not any of her patients but, from what I see, she is some of the sweetest person in the business.

@Rahal Hair Transplant you deserve a wow!

48 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

Dr Bicer 💯

I rarely saw a "wow" HT from Bicer but I think it depends from the fact that she doesn't pay great attention to marketing. All the pics I saw are "home made", with poor lightings and poor background.
BTW, she is solid as a rock. Never read of someone regretting the HT with her.
And she is one of the most ethical people in the business for sure.

Wonder why she increased her prices by 100% in one year. More and more people are asking for her? monetary inflation?
At the moment, she is more expensive than De freitas, pinto, vila...
In your honest opinion, is she worth 4 euro grafts?