jonnyalex

5 minutes ago, Craig2412 said:

@jonnyalex What was your experience like? Did you make a thread? 

My experience was an average result behind the hairline (damn well better be for that amount of grafts). The hairline itself was gappy, but nothing like as bad I am seeing now. This may I had surgery with Dr. Keser to fix it - he questioned the number of grafts used previous. The experience was night and day but obviously I cannot speak of the result yet. 

No thread. This forum directly influenced me to go with ASMED however. 

15 minutes ago, Der3k7 said:

I got on Propecia for 11 months and that shit fucked me up 

Ok, but, you are probably going to lose any non transplanted hair and be left with no hair around your transplanted hair. Then what? You are out of grafts after this.. 

Futhermore, if you insist on going this route, you need to visit a hairline EXPERT ! ASMED's tech's are about as far from this as possible. If Konior or Hasson and Wong agree to work on you, your answer is either one of them. A bad result from these guys is rarely seen on these forums. Bad results from ASMED are everywhere. 

Are you seriously not blocking DHT and hoping for perfection? 

2 hours ago, Gasthoerer said:

Everyone is free to his own conclusion and voice his opinion. It can still be wrong tough. Let's see what you said: 

"The truth is though, unless you go with an actual world class surgeon who performs most of the surgery himself, this is almost always the case. " 

This means in other words:

You need "almost always" a touch up if you go with a clinic using techs (and not if the surgeon is doing the main work). Almost always is >> 50 %, so let us say 75 %. DO you agree?

--> You have already contradicted yourself by ruling out H&W (by the way one of the newer clinics in the FUE world). I assume you would say the same about other clinics like Feriduni (?). So basically you were wrong and you admitted it for the generalization point (Techs = bad result). This leaves ASMED as the clinic with the issue using techs. 

--> @LordBaldwin, has done some research (link below) and it shows that it is not "almost always" (= 75 %) a bad results but quite the opposite. So again, you "feeling" is wrong and the # proof it.

 

Now, do I think the failure rate of ASMED is too high (compared to other top clinics) and the results got worse with the expansion?

Unfortunately, there is not enough data from other clinics to prove the first point and only small indication for the latter one. Personally, I think they have a slightly higher miss rate. The main reasons in my opinion are not the techs, but the high risk approach (high graft#, high graft # per day, dense packing, small punch size, etc.). Anyway, just my opinion, maybe someone can prove me wrong 😉

I don't believe I contradicted myself at all. The tech's at H&W have massive experience; ASMED's simply don't. They are new in the FUE world yes, but they still maintain the same level of artistry as they did with FUT. I clearly wrote this is "almost" always the case and the surgeon should perform "most" of the work. You have proved nothing. H&W do perform most of the procedure themselves or at least present to make sure it doesn't mess up. I have had a 4600 graft HT with ASMED. The doctor was present for a matter of minutes. He has built a reputation on using an obscene amount of grafts for even minor cases, irrespective of patient age. 

I'm sorry, but any idiot can line the recent results side by side (patient results) and see what I am talking about. You simply rarely see these kind of gappy hairlines from the majority of top clinics these days.  

I mean, let's get real here; Just look at these hairlines. This is not acceptable. Presumably this is why he is now offering a touch up before you even request it now. A touch up when you have already had a 4264 graft HT is an issue though. 

9 minutes ago, Fozzie said:

I may be wrong but I thought they moved moved to the larger clinic around December 2018? 

Maybe, maybe not. I'd assume they'd start some off in the old clinic instead of immediately hiring a load of new techs. 

9 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

This has been proven not to be true. Neither for ASMED nor for other top clinics who use techs. 

I only go on my own experience and recent results since they moved clinic, performed more surgeries per day and seemingly used less experienced techs. I did not see this before the change of clinics. Nothing has been 'proven' to be true in my view and when you look at these hairlines, I keep seeing the same gappy work in recent results. I strongly believe this coincided with the change of clinic as this change was quite sudden. The techs at H&W have huge experience and the clinic put's out world class results constantly. Some of the tech's at ASMED are barely 20 and I have seen shocking results recently that I didn't see before. 

You are free to make your own conclusions. 

It is seemingly almost a given now that you need a touch up after an ASMED procedure. The truth is though, unless you go with an actual world class surgeon who performs most of the surgery himself, this is almost always the case. 

Just now, JJJ00 said:

would you say it was fully professional and clean, even finding info on his 'clinic' and its conditions isnt straight forward, it could be a dodgy unclean bedroom for all anyone knows 😂, did you find the medical side on par with asmed in terms of equipment and hygiene etc?

Yes, like ASMED, you can't even enter without putting plastic protectors over your feet. He has all the tech he needs, but it is nothing compared to the building ASMED has. Everything is very hygienic. He is extremely professional. 

5 minutes ago, Portugal25 said:

Jonny my father and grandparents died of cancer so I am not going to mess with a pill that affect my hormones also, I am against having to take a pill every day of my life that will cause shock loss if I stop taking it. 

I let my crown thin out and used Toppik for  work but now I think enough is enough, It’s time for second and last HT. Luckily beard BHT evolved to the point that I can discuss having this procedure with a world class Dr. like Kaan Pekiner

I totally respect your decision to not take any drug. I do question the part where you talk about shock loss though... ? This simply isn't true at all and the consequences of not taking it are worse than any kind of shock loss. If you mean 'shedding', then yes, but this is a good sign. 

Either way, Kaan Pekiner is a great up and comer, you are certainly correct. 

On 9/26/2009 at 7:27 PM, Portugal25 said:

 

I used Rogaine for 12 months and then stopped, didn`t notice any sheeding.

Never used Propecia during this time and never will because I don`t like having to take a drup everyday for the rest of my life or risk having major shedding if I stop taking it.

 

 

How do you feel about this now? Would it still not have been worth taking the drug to you? Either way, I wish you success in your future surgery. Thanks for posting this, it is really interesting to see.  

14 minutes ago, JJJ00 said:

yeah ive done that as much as i can, but was hoping someone with first hand experience can comment as well,

in comparison to some other clinics the information is sparse online for Dr Keser, im not sure whether thats a good thing or bad thing really considering hes been doing it for a long time....

You'll only realize this if you see his clinic. He is just 1 guy with two assistants. He doesn't have the time for multiple patients a day, word of mouth is all he needs at this point. 

13 minutes ago, JJJ00 said:

yeah ive done that as much as i can, but was hoping someone with first hand experience can comment as well,

in comparison to some other clinics the information is sparse online for Dr Keser, im not sure whether thats a good thing or bad thing really considering hes been doing it for a long time....

I can only comment on my experience with Keser compared to ASMED as I had surgery with both. Having the doctor perform the entire process made a huge difference for me. It is not a HT factory like ASMED and you don't have barely 20 year old techs operating on your head. At ASMED, the doctor spent about 45 minutes with me. With Dr Keser, I spent the entire process with him. Remember, this is the guy who brought FUE to Turkey. 

The downsides were that I didn't like Ankara at all - I never felt at ease outside of the clinic. Istanbul is more welcoming and friendly. The hotel that Dr. Keser has a deal with is pants too. 

What is important is the result however and I cannot comment as I am only 3 months post-op. 

Also, ASMED didn't contact me even ONCE to check how I was or how the result was. Very strange experience. Poor in many ways. Keser's translator has contacted me multiple times already. 

He isn't recommended here because he does not need the influx of patients and has no desire to pay the membership fee's. 

9 hours ago, FarsanUk said:

So guys a while back asmed posted something on their Instagram story video which they later removed as I screen shot it and posted on here on another thread. Just to prove the potential of many surgeries they have check out that screen shot below. You can see it shows 9 surgery rooms and 7 of them are occupied at that point in time. They are all separate rooms if you zoom it says room 1 2 3 etc... 

 

this is tragic....

4 minutes ago, Jamothee said:

Sorry to hear mate, definitely a sub par result. That hairline looks quite pluggy too. Asmed is a a massive no go as far as I'm concerned. 

Wouldn't expect much from Asmed or the moderators on this forum either a it now appears that they are in cahoots and this is basically a marketing tool for the recommended surgeons. 

This forum has always been open about how it operates though. They have never lied. Unfortunately, yes, this will always lead to questions. 

Either way, I sincerely hope that they have reached out to both Dr. Erdogan and Dr. Bhatti about the recent results. Erdogan in particular went from world class results to some absolutely shockers recently. Something has drastically changed in that clinic and I can only assume it relates to his lack of involvement in the procedure. Unfortunately this forum did lead me to believe he was the best in Turkey which was not the case at all.  

On 7/16/2019 at 7:57 AM, Payam said:

Could you please elaborate? I don't think it's fair to call every tech run clinic a hair mill obviously, but what makes hasson and Wong any different from some of the Turkish clinics? Do you have any information to share about their techs level of experience and education?  

The techs have huge experience. Turkish clinics normally have 20 year old techs.

36 minutes ago, BigBen said:

offers a 90% growth guarantee though

That he'll offer to put right by having techs go wild on your head again. Not refund.

3 hours ago, BigBen said:

We both are almost at the one year mark with the same doctor and I am also disappointed (understatement) with the density. I will probably post photos on my own thread. The doctor offers a 90% growth guarantee so we should either ask for partial refund or ask for a free touch-up after the first year. The only problem with the touch-up is that it will have to be done on a wide area where healthy grafts have grown and that should only be done carefully by the best technicians or the doctor himself.

He doesn't give refunds as to him this is an admission that other doctors can do a better job. Pretty funny considering he has jack shit to do with the surgery himself. 

18 hours ago, markymarc123 said:

Hey Jonny, Do you have a thread for your session with Dr Keser?

I am in the same boat after my first op with Asmed.  I am pretty happy with the result but could do with a touch up/slight lowering of around 600 grafts just to be 100% happy.  Would be interested to see your results.

No, but I will post the results when they happen. I'm 2 months in so far; the horrible stage. The thing for me was how the actual experience of the surgery was SO much better and professional than ASMED. In ASMED, Koray Erdogan is the hair transplant surgeon but the actual surgery is performed by very young technicians, it's a joke. I knew that technicians had a big role but this website (which was the reason I went to ASMED) unfortunately did not prepare me for the fact that he is barely involved. Apparently now it is even worse. 

How many grafts did you have at ASMED? 

3 minutes ago, Phil36fromaus said:

then they'd only be about 5 docs listed and each transplant procedure wouldn't hit over 2000 grafts in a single session

Sounds exactly how it should be to me!

I think the rule is now: go to surgeons in Ankara if you want to see the best surgeons in Turkey. Stay clear of Istanbul. I have experienced both.

I will admit... I did not like Ankara at all from a tourism standpoint however - Istanbul wins there. 

Dr. Keser starting to take over this place and he doesn't even market himself 😆. Great result. 

No doctor who is not involved in the entire procedure himself should be recommended here (in my opinion).  

5 minutes ago, JayLDD said:

If every time you or someone else is called out with specific evidence and detail for making a stupid comment but you ignore the substance entirely and simply make a personal attack, maybe the problem is on your end. 

 

 

Say's the guy who makes personal attacks.. 

18 minutes ago, Nebulosity said:

Thanks for making me a repair candidate Dr. Bhatti! (TM)

Nebulosity, I want you to know that although it is difficult at this time, it is very repairable with a skilled surgeon such as Keser. It will cost you a little more, yes, but I believe you'll be happy with it after that. I really think you should be refunded the cost of this surgery too. I think it will look slightly better in a month or two, but not acceptable by any means. 

I agree with JayLDD about the gappy placement. I have always questioned this approach. The donor extraction is also completely unacceptable. 

25 minutes ago, JayLDD said:

"Pretty bizarre how you concluded that from my entire post... why do you think I just had surgery with Keser?"

This was what you said and I replied to:

"Nebulosity, what I will say is, a patient of whom I just had my second HT with, Dr Keser, was absolutely fuming and criticizing the doctor on every HT forum on the internet, "

Read what you wrote before criticising me for not mind reading due to your lack of writing skills, I thought you had surgery with him because that's what you wrote, moron.

On the other point, I appreciate that you're not a particularly observant person, but lets compare post ops of Bhatti and a Keser case, because if you think the precision or density is similar your intelligence and understanding is two low to bother arguing with. Once the hairs are implanted you don't magically increase density from directly after post-op. What is done is done and in the case of much of Bhatti's work there is a lack of refinement and density from day one. Are the hairs going to duplicate themselves? Some kind of sorcery going on we aren't aware of? If a surgeon implant 100 hairs across an entire balding head, are you going to meme "Wait 12 months"? Or more realistically in terms of Bhatti's work, maybe 70% the density what top surgeons are typically doing.  We can't pretend this is going to magically look good after 12 months if it doesn't on day one.

Here is a Keser case of 1700 grafts

Here is the Bhatti case 

 

Level of precision and density not even in the same league. Cut the "Wait 12 months" bullshit, looks like a child's work in comparison, the gaps are gigantic.

25 minutes ago, JayLDD said:

 

 

I honestly think you should be banned from here, any time someone says something you don't like, you get really aggressive and resort to name calling; I've seen it multiple times with you. I never called you any names..

You talk about intelligence yet attack me multiple times in your reply. I simply told him to give it 6 months and then go from there. Yes, the result is going to be bad, clearly it is. In six months however, I feel he will know what is required in a second surgery. 

I am quite clearly asking you 'why do you think I would have gone with Dr Keser if I thought his work was at Dr. Bhatti's level?' I mean, I'm reading it again and it's not hard at all to work out.