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interestingly enough, i stopped taking FIN earlier this year, my morning glory's returned and what a pleasant surprise that was, however, within 6 weeks i started noticing 4 hairs a day landing on my office desk, god knows how many more were falling out that I didnt see, sweeping the tiled floor at home was really really frightening, my hair loss depression was back, I felt shit, so I went back on FIN. Hairloss has stopped and my morning glory is now not as frequent. Hair gives me confidence and

cialis gel gives me a boner.

I regret the hell out mine. I would pay DOUBLE the price if I ONLY could undo the colossal mistake I made in getting a hair transplant!!!!

JUST TRUST ME.... Don't do it and you will thank me later. Do what I WISH I would've done, just embrace and accept your natural aging process and poise with dignity.

 

Having a HT was THE SINGLE most regretful decision and arguably the worst mistake I've ever made. Please learn from my mistake. Do not risk disfiguring yourself.

Hi Mate sorry to hear about your HT, any pics or details as to what you had done and what went wrong, take care Seth

hairs fall out they are about 3mm long, grafts fall out they are about 6mm long with a little bulb at the end, they look completely different

@ stig yeah yeah yeah ha ha ha - jokes aside im heading back for some more rake action in 4 weeks

personally would stick to your cup method for a couple more days, I personally dislodged grafts at day 14, (Oh God i still remember it happening - was all in slow motion - saw 20 or so just gone!!!)

yep i agree

It's not glaringly obvious, but you can tell something was done. This is even more apparent in person.

 

This is why, like you said above, anyone who is truly thinking about buzzing down to this level should do a "shave trial." .

Blake's right the shave trial is important...

2 things to consider, as Blake said, the minimal scaring isnt glaringly obvious, which is a good thing but what the shave trial doesn't show is a lower hair line, which is what makes all the difference to the overall good looking buzz cut.

For the sake of the general audience:

 

It doesn't matter if the video clip shows body hair or head hair, the presence of tremendous traction force is available for all to see.

actually I think it is crucial to this whole thread, you knew exactly where that clip was from and lead people to believe that was from the head, you used under the chin example where the skin has completely different characteristics and didnt say a word, misleading people and now you've finally admitted it. thank you

@Hair Jo, for me personally the information that has been put fourth isnt much, Dr Bhatti's racking grafts does scar me, but does it cause poor yields, perhaps yes or perhaps no, certainly looks bad. the video clip that Feller used to expose his 3 forces argument wasn't even FUE it was BHT, which he doesn't perform, but FUT supporters fell for it hook line and sinker,

@ Stig Dr Feller is in NY and Dr Bhatti is with the rest of the worlds HT surgeons are in Chicago, which suggests to me that Feller was not willing to go into this debate with his peers, he can only argue on line, of course he'll say he's booked up, but last I heard he was only booked up 3 weeks in advance, conveniently as the conference is ending.

Ive said this all along, 5000+ grafts needed go the FUT route anything less go FUE so for now there is still a place for both methods, but if people start their battle against hair loss earlier FUT wont be needed and I predict that within 10 years FUT will no longer exist,

There's a bit of cross-purpose conversation going on here - deliberate or not.

 

Feller and the strip, strip, strip argument is that you get the highest amount of grafts over your lifetime to cover an expanding balding area.

Yes I get that, but it also to increase areas that had lower yields, because no method is 100% full proof, stripped out is in other words a touch up. the only difference is that FUE may need 2 or 3 sessions to achieve the same look that FUT can achieve in 1 session, but its this 2-3 sessions thing thats now being twisted and turned into what FUT'ers call the TOUCH UP. as far as im concerned touch up is nothing more than a its a debatable term to make FUE look inferior and Stripped out is promoted to make FUT seem like your ticket to a life time of hair. Worse fact about stripped out logic is that you revert to having FUE, when FUE will thin your donor area exposing your strip scar. Makes no sense to me this stripped out logic. Feller himself has had 3 FUT sessions, and is need of another, what happens when he's stripped out, he'll go FUE and expose his scar or maybe he's already stripped out and wont go FUE due to the fact he'll runs the risk of exposing his scars. If he is already stripped out and still a NW4 or 5 doesn't say much for FUT or his stripped out logic, he falls into the way below par FUT category which many people do.

wow photos speak loud and clear... thanks

Biotin is great, works wonders

i rekon we've hjacked this thread a little bit too much and best bet we head over to the other thread...

There's a bit of cross-purpose conversation going on here - deliberate or not.

 

Feller and the strip, strip, strip argument is that you get the highest amount of grafts over your lifetime to cover an expanding balding area.

 

The fue 'touch up' being discussed here is using grafts to restore a basically failed/sub-optimal result from fue.

 

Seth, couple of questions for you too. The 5000 grafts you suggest which makes for a good strip candidate - is that 5000 over a lifetime or in one session? And second, had a v quick look at your result and couldn't quite make out - what's the reason you got another 1000 grafts so soon after the first 3000?

@HairJo - yes I like the banter as well, I generally mean well...

@ newbie, The touch up "theory" is based upon that FUE can't deliver the mega mega sessions that FUT can, 5000 fue (max'ed out) would be done over 2 or 3 sessions, hence the term touch up, FUT'ers twist and turn this into calling it a failed procedure, when it was planned all along, I fall into this category, which answers your next question why 3000 then 10 weeks later another 1000,

originally planned for the mega session of 4000, once i got to Dr Bhatti's clinic he said my head was too small for to pick out 4000 in one go, 3000 was the max, and to come back in a year or so for another HT, (touch up), I knew i needed 4000, and with a new job on offer and knowing I would be 2 or more years before I get another chance at slotting in a second procedure I went ahead, fast tracked and got the next 1000 done. I doubt anyone has done this way, but it seemed to work fine for me, no damaged skin as Feller has proclaimed, I am booked in for my 3rd HT next month, again this is the touch up, Dr Bhatti could only transplant 1500 into my crown, when I clearly needed 2000- 2200, so we are planning on maxing out my donor area adding 500 or so to my crown, and touch up to the dislodged grafts on right front hair line. Could have had all this done in one hit with FUT, probably, this is one of the major flaws with FUE, the limited amount and time in a session, 5000 can be done, but expect it to be done over several years,

FUE you get your head shaved, all off gone!!! but you can request to have only a section shaved for FUE, sorry you'll have to double check this, but some Doctors will charge more to not shave your whole head.

I believe FUT has a place for people who need 5000+ grafts, I truly believe anything under this should now be handled with FUE, the whole tiny scar thing is virtually non existent, again this is just another way FUT'ers try to make FUE inferior, Im only guessing but HairJo have you ever seen a bad FUE scarring in person, I doubt that you have, I haven't, but occasionally I do see a FUT scar, not very often but I do. Speaking from experience I confess i do check from time to time is my donor area as good as it was, can people see the thinning, but when I look in the mirror i HONESTLY (in caps) i cant see any scarring whatsoever.

HairJo I do apologise for taking the micky out of your comments, but I am sick to death of this site being so against FUE, and yes it does make angry, i need to work on that.

I really feel for the FUE guys because they are told they will grow as well as the FUT guys but when they don't they are just told they need a "touch up". More money, more surgery.

Why say something that would easily offend people, already 3 direct replies to this comment and you have the audacity to say you're not hear to argue. Fine I misunderstood your angle of conversation. Perhaps refrain for the FUE bashing then I'll have no reason to respond,

I really feel for the FUE guys because they are told they will grow as well as the FUT guys but when they don't they are just told they need a "touch up". More money, more surgery. Better just to get the strip and be done with it.

hahahaha even the great Feller contradicts this theory, he himself always preaches, strip strip strip strip until stripped out.... which is exactly the same as "touch up" but twisted and turned to make FUE look inferior, so who cares if you have to "touch up" "touch up" "touch up"..... still better than subjecting yourself to a brain surgery like scar.....

touch up touch up touch up touch up touch up or strip strip strip strip strip strip strip strip - its exactly the same, next argument

In layman's term - you walk into a radioactive area with no protective suit on you'll get cooked.... same with transplanted hairs, subject them to DHT, guess what they get effected they "get cooked"

I never understand when people have painful FUE surgeries. Mine was virtually pain free. Other than the injection of anesthetic, everything was pain free. The pictures look good. All you can do now is wait!

i think its less to do with harvesting and more to do with lying dead still with your neck all twisted and your head being forced into the bench, it doesnt hurt its just really really uncomfortable, once thats all over and done with nothing else is painful, nothing!!!

Feller always argues a great debate, but his FUE skills are much lower than his FUT skills, its like comparing a 3 series BMW with a 7 series. Like I said, i believe you are text book FUE,

my reasons:

35 years old

future hair loss looks minimum,

you dont look like you will exceed NW3

your donor area estimates 5000 FUE

you only need approx 2500 at this stage

so why scar yourself for life

pay for the best FUE all the best take care

ah mate, so sorry to hear your story, please please please just wait another 8 or 9 weeks Im sure things will be alot better then.

Without going into a massive FUT V FUE debate here, but you are text book FUE candidate, shut the book on FUT you don't need to scar yourself, you don't look like you are headed towards anything higher than NW3, so future HT are unlikely, you wont need to STRIP STRIP until STRIPPED OUT logic. Seems like your decision is primarily based around whats the best locally for me and what typically is the "done" thing. Yes I would say "typically" FUT is the done thing for most Americans but slowly your country is catching up to what the rest of the Hair loss community has already embraced.

If the overall final look is #1 reason and money not an option, then go for 2500 FUE in the hairline and travel to Europe. I don't mean to sound direct or blunt, but you have really decent hair with minimal hair loss, think hard about going the strip method, a top FUE Dr will give you what you desire you'll just have to travel.

please go for the 11,000 graft, Im sure that would some kind of record..... think of the hits you'd get on youtube with a title "11,000 grafts HT journey" you'd be famous in no time at all.... take care !

So are you guys saying FUE results look thin when shaved shorter

 

shaved at #1 after HT with a lower hair line will always look better than a person who has not had a HT.