So Cal Hair restoration doctors

[gary123]

Hi all

I am 39 years old and have significant hair loss. I was told that I have significant thinning on my side donors. 

I have been told to consider FUT bc of the thinning in the side donor areas.  I am only able to tolerate a 0.5 ml of topical finasteride 0.25% a day with 10 mg of oral minoxidil. Going to try xyon next.

I'm mostly worried about the front portion and worried that the procedure will not work long term and that I would have to shave the head and be left with a scar. 

I have been recommended to go to Dr. Ziering himself from 2 dermatologists and friends of friends. Cost is around $7 a graft. 

What are peoples thoughts on Dr. Ziering (not his clinic but his work himself)?

Do you think I will have a good result?

 

 

Hi all

[Melvin- Admin]

I would avoid that doctor. Check out Dr. Mohebi and Dr. Carman. They're both great options. 

[Hairy Henderson]

No.  Travel outside of CA to get decent doctors.

[gary123]

Do you guys mind elaborating why you would not recommend him?

He is the name that keeps getting recommended to us - 2 dermatologists and friends of friends of all recommended him.

 

 

[Melvin- Admin]

23 minutes ago, gary123 said:

Do you guys mind elaborating why you would not recommend him?

He is the name that keeps getting recommended to us - 2 dermatologists and friends of friends of all recommended him.

 

 

He operates a chain where he most likely isn’t involved. Unless you’re Tyga or Tory Lanez. He also promotes the robot, which isn’t very good. There’s better options. 
 

@gillenator can speak more about him since he worked at MHR with him.

[jjalay]

Ziering medical is as bad as bosley and any other chain clinic operating for quantity and not quality. With the money you will need to spent for this clinic if you do your research you can easily afford a doctor with proven track record and consistency of good results. The guy in the video spend around 30k for 3000 grafts to get this bad result from Ziering:

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by jjalay

[gillenator]

As Melvin mentioned, I used to work at MHR and was the personal consultant for the surgeon in Atlanta whose name rhymes with mole…Dr. Craig Ziering however was the doctor in NY and was also one of the Medical Directors for Dr. Matt Levitt at MHR…many of MHR’s doctors were licensed in multiple states and Dr. Ziering performed many procedures from time-to-time in my clinic in Chevy Chase, Maryland…in my honest opinion, his work was some of the worst that I have seen including horrific strip scarring, terrible hairline work involving mis-angled grafts, and poor yields…please understand this is nothing personal, just my opinion based on my observations of his work.

[gillenator]

2 hours ago, jjalay said:

Ziering medical is as bad as bosley and any other chain clinic operating for quantity and not quality. With the money you will need to spent for this clinic if you do your research you can easily afford a doctor with proven track record and consistency of good results. The guy in the video spend around 30k for 3000 grafts to get this bad result from Ziering:

 

This does not surprise me in the least bit.

[BurnieBurns]

No disrespect to dermatologists but the vast majority of them so next to NOTHING about what makes a good hair transplant. They could refer someone to them after randomly meeting them at a conference for all you know.

Mohebi and Carman have a great track record and you should consult with both of them. However I wouldn't limit yourself to one location 

As a general rule, I believe you should consult with at least 5 top surgeons before making a decision. This is not just about options, but it also informs you of a range of perspectives that you may not have considered when moving forward.

[Sunset Dune]

I don’t think there are any good doctors in cali

[DerekWhite]

On 10/26/2023 at 11:00 PM, gary123 said:

Hi all

I am 39 years old and have significant hair loss. I was told that I have significant thinning on my side donors. 

I have been told to consider FUT bc of the thinning in the side donor areas.  I am only able to tolerate a 0.5 ml of topical finasteride 0.25% a day with 10 mg of oral minoxidil. Going to try xyon next.

I'm mostly worried about the front portion and worried that the procedure will not work long term and that I would have to shave the head and be left with a scar. 

I have been recommended to go to Dr. Ziering himself from 2 dermatologists and friends of friends. Cost is around $7 a graft. 

What are peoples thoughts on Dr. Ziering (not his clinic but his work himself)?

Do you think I will have a good result?

 

 

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Any update?

[gillenator]

I also was wondering if Gary was able to find a good option, NOT Ziering.

[gary123]

Thanks so much following up. I was about to book with Ziering before you guys messaged me.  I have a consult with dr Mohebi scheduled for January 2024.

I’m also trying to xyon topical finasteride based on recs from here. get sexual and urinary side effects if I take it daily but tolerable if I take it every other day. Any tricks on how to take the full dose and minimize the side effects. Also on minoxidil 10 mg orally. 

[gary123]

Hi all - what is a fair price for a top surgeon?

I am being quoted $12 a graft with Dr. Mohebi and wondering if that is fair. 

[shiba1985]

23 hours ago, gary123 said:

Hi all - what is a fair price for a top surgeon?

I am being quoted $12 a graft with Dr. Mohebi and wondering if that is fair. 

Consult with Dr Nadimi from Chicago Hair Institute. She charges $10 per FUE graft. But also offer FUT in case you want to go that route. I like her results better and seems like it will be cheaper than Dr Mohebi. 

[gary123]

Any other thoughts on the price of $12 per graft with Dr. Mohebi? I'd prefer not to travel outside of LA for convenience with work and kids.

@gillenator  @Melvin- Admin

[Melvin- Admin]

10 minutes ago, gary123 said:

Any other thoughts on the price of $12 per graft with Dr. Mohebi? I'd prefer not to travel outside of LA for convenience with work and kids.

@gillenator  @Melvin- Admin

It’s Los Angeles, I say the same thing to patients who want a doctor in Manhattan. The cost is relative to the clinics overhead.  If you want something more affordable you’ll have to leave California, just like real estate. The price is fair by the local market standards. 

In general, it costs $8-12 per graft in the US. There are some affordable options in Mexico if you don’t mind traveling. 

[gary123]

Thanks you for your input. 

@Melvin- Admin

@gillenator

@BurnieBurns @DerekWhite

Do you guys have any experience with Dr. Marc Dauer in Los Angeles? He seems more reasonably priced (1800-2000 grafts for 17k). 

I'm also open to  travel and go to Mexico or other places if needed if substantially cheaper and good quality - anyone in specific recommended? I see Dr. Espinosa Custudio from Mexico City listed on the site, but don't see any patient reviews on him. 

I met with Dr. Mohebi and seems pricey ($12 a graft) and spoke with Dr. Carman's office, but they don't do FUE cases that require more than 500 grafts and are recommending FUT. 

[gillenator]

Gary my friend…what Melvin stated is true…Honestly, I don’t know how any doctor/clinic could charge less than $12 per graft for “FUE” in the state of California, especially in SoCal like Los Angeles…the same could be said for NYC and especially Long Island because of the extreme high cost of operating expenses especially the business taxes.

Can you find high quality FUE for less than $12 per graft?…yes, but you would need to travel to places outside of California.

[Melvin- Admin]

15 hours ago, gary123 said:

Thanks you for your input. 

@Melvin- Admin

@gillenator

@BurnieBurns @DerekWhite

Do you guys have any experience with Dr. Marc Dauer in Los Angeles? He seems more reasonably priced (1800-2000 grafts for 17k). 

I'm also open to  travel and go to Mexico or other places if needed if substantially cheaper and good quality - anyone in specific recommended? I see Dr. Espinosa Custudio from Mexico City listed on the site, but don't see any patient reviews on him. 

I met with Dr. Mohebi and seems pricey ($12 a graft) and spoke with Dr. Carman's office, but they don't do FUE cases that require more than 500 grafts and are recommending FUT. 

Dr. Custodio is a solid choice. Dr. Nader as well. Dr. Gabel in Portland may be more reasonably priced. But I think he’s at least $8 per graft, possibly a little more. 

Unfortunately, I don’t know anything about the doctor you mentioned. I don’t think looking for a cheaper option in LA is wise, if it’s cheap there must be some cost-cutting.

A good clinic is gonna be expensive because they have a solid team of technicians that are paid enough to live in Los Angeles, which we both know is VERY expensive.

[Britanium]

On 11/30/2023 at 6:25 AM, gary123 said:

Thanks so much following up. I was about to book with Ziering before you guys messaged me.  I have a consult with dr Mohebi scheduled for January 2024.

I’m also trying to xyon topical finasteride based on recs from here. get sexual and urinary side effects if I take it daily but tolerable if I take it every other day. Any tricks on how to take the full dose and minimize the side effects. Also on minoxidil 10 mg orally. 

Dr Ziering did one of my FUTs, and while it wasn't the worst case scenario it certainly isn't the best either. That was before coming here over a decade ago and learning he most definitely wasn't the greatest choice. 

It's good you're here first and finding out who are the better Dr's are. It's always worth travelling to get the right one! 

Edited February 8 by Britanium

[gillenator]

If you find FUE prices under $12 per graft in SoCal, it’s almost always attributed to the doctor/clinic utilizing inexperienced techs because those techs subcontract their services at much cheaper rates than experienced proven techs…they work on a self-employed itinerant basis and travel extensively…So, ask yourself, “Is it worth the risk of having higher transection rates from poor extractions and/or inexperienced techs placing your grafts?”

[BurnieBurns]

On 2/8/2024 at 12:48 PM, gary123 said:

Thanks you for your input. 

@Melvin- Admin

@gillenator

@BurnieBurns @DerekWhite

Do you guys have any experience with Dr. Marc Dauer in Los Angeles? He seems more reasonably priced (1800-2000 grafts for 17k). 

I'm also open to  travel and go to Mexico or other places if needed if substantially cheaper and good quality - anyone in specific recommended? I see Dr. Espinosa Custudio from Mexico City listed on the site, but don't see any patient reviews on him. 

I met with Dr. Mohebi and seems pricey ($12 a graft) and spoke with Dr. Carman's office, but they don't do FUE cases that require more than 500 grafts and are recommending FUT. 

Marc Dauer I believe is regarded as one of the best in the world for eyebrow restoration but I haven't seen any of his head hair work. I'd presume he would be similar to Dr Mohebi in price.

If cost is a barrier for you then I'd agree with the others, definitely look outside California. The names Melvin mentioned would be promising.

Most here would also stress that if you're in any position to pay more, even after saving up for a while, the last thing you would want to skimp on is a hair transplant. It is a genuine surgery and will  affect you lifelong

Edited February 11 by BurnieBurns

[gary123]

Hi all,

@Melvin- Admin

@gillenator

@BurnieBurns @DerekWhite

 

This thank you so much for all of your inputs.

Since your recs, I have I have looked at the number of doctors across the world.

I think I would like to go ahead and book with Dr. Gabel vs Nadimi vs. Laorwong  What would you guys recommend as a better fit for me? The price is about the same for both US surgeons. Flat 22,500 for Gabel (estimate 2000-2400 grafts) and Nadimi 2000 grafts for 20,000 + $5 after that. 

-Laorang seems to be a fraction of the cost at $2.2 dollars graft and thinks he can get 3500 grafts based on pictures. He also also a lot more recent long term patient reviews from what I can see. I reached out to Dr. Laorwong and he responded quickly with a detailed message with frequently ask questions.  I asked to set up a time to do a consultation but he asked me just to email him with questions which turned me off. I e-mailed back a second time just now requesting a consult.  I am a bit concerned with lack of patient/consumer protection going to a foreign country. He also splits the extractions with his assistant and does about 10-50% of the graft placements, so seems like he is less involved than Gabel/Nadimi. 

-Gabel's online  reputation appears to be slightly superior to Nadimi and he is more experienced by years of doing this, but I do not see as many long term results from him with photos. Nadimi does appear to have slightly more long term follow up patient reviews

-Of the FUEs I have also seen from Gabel, it seems like he is conservative with the extraction count with getting under 2000 on many transplants, even on his web page.   He told me he thinks he can get to 2200-2400 with me based on pictures I have sent him.  The results I have seen online also look good, but did not seem to be as dramatic as some of the other pictures that I have seen posted from outside of the US, including Laorwong

-Nadimi does do some of her time doing other non-hair surgeries.

 

Others I have reached out to but likely not going to go with. 

I looked into some of the doctors in Turkey (Dr. Bicer seemed like the price was not that far off US prices like around 13k, Dr Gur seems like the technician does most of the work)

Dr. Mohebi seemed good but not as well-known as Gable and slightly more expensive at $12 graft

Spoke with the rep from Hasson and Wong but seems like their technicians do a lot of the work

Spoke with rep from Shapiro and it seems like he does not do the FUE but subcontracts the extractions out to Josphitis. 

I was not able to schedule consult with Drs. Nader (no response to 10+ emails), zarev had a 2 year wait list.

[Gatsby]

@gary123 at the end of the day you have to really go with the doctor that you feel most comfortable with. I agree that communication is one of the most important aspects in choosing a surgeon (thought there can be many factors that hamper this and it may in no way reflect the skill of the surgeon/techs). By your own criteria it sounds like you feel most comfortable with Dr Gabel and perhaps then that is the best choice for you. I believe that there is no one size choice that fits all. All the best.