question for Dr. Feller about (PRP)

[Mr. GQ]

no that's not what i said.

 

i still believe that with the right tools in the right doctor's hands, fue is salvation that many of us seek.

 

nice try LL

[PLEASE GROW PLEASE]

Does a bear crap in the _______

[bayday]

to Hopefull and all else, if i was mislead then id like to know too. Among other sites ive been to here is a wiki link.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follicular_Unit_Extraction

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He seems to be highly regarded in the med field and his youtube vids,blogsite,etc are honest and straight forward,nothing misleading. Wouldnt you agree?

[bayday]

One more thing to clarify~ to Hopefull I am not here to promote ANYONE if that is what you are implying. I was always very impressed with Dr R's assessments and opinions on all topics presented to him at his Q&A site. At times some of his opinions have been discouraging to me but at least this guy is very frank. When i come across a subject on these hair sites for instance Greco's PRP treatment, Dr R's is just one of the sites ill visit in my own research. Regarding this statement from you Hopefull. you are reading WAY TOO MUCH into my contribution. The main point of this site is to educate.At least thats the reason why I came here. Can we get feedback on this from the community? Sorry to all if this is a distraction.

[hopefull]

e of his opinions have been discouraging to me but at least this guy is very frank. When i come across a subject on these hair sites for instance Greco's PRP treatment, Dr R's is just one of the sites ill visit in my own research. Regarding this statement from you Hopefull. you are reading WAY TOO MUCH into my contribution. The main point of this site is to educate.At least thats the reason why I came here. Can we get feedback on this from the community? Sorry to all if this is a distraction.

 

You are confusing the posts, thats why you misunderstood

 

to put it simply...almost everyone knows that the inventor of FUE is a doctor which we cannot mention his name here(i dont know why...i dont like it...iam wondering why not... but thats another thing)...if you research for this doctor(hint:he is in australia) and if you ask other people on other forums you will see that he is the inventor of FUE.

 

All the above is for people not to be mislead...it seems that almost everyone wants to claim that he invented FUE or renames it or whatever to take credit and appear as the leading specialist.Thats misleading and you had to know it for your education thats why i mentioned it.

 

Ofcourse that doesnt mean that the inventor is the best doctor for this procedure...thats for you to judge after you research the FUE doctors.

 

I understand that you are impressed with Dr.Rassmans assessments but his assessment that he is responsible for beginning the procedures of FUE's is unimpressive.

[bayday]

Hey Hopefull , i do see where i went wrong. I reread the posts. My apologies for the confusion. Lets just hope for the best for all of us here. If i were to regain or replace just 25-30% of what i lost id be a happy man no question!

[Mane Attraction]

Originally posted by hopefull:

to put it simply...almost everyone knows that the inventor of FUE is a doctor which we cannot mention his name here(i dont know why...i dont like it...iam wondering why not... but thats another thing)...if you research for this doctor(hint:he is in australia) and if you ask other people on other forums you will see that he is the inventor of FUE.

 

Just wondering if there's any documented proof that this particular doctor did indeed invent FUE? Dr. Rassman has specifically addressed this doctor's claim, in contrast to his own, on the first posting on this Q&A page.

 

Dr. Rassman claims that the Australian doctor in question shrouds his work in secrecy and has never released any peer-reviewed documentation on his invention of the FUE procedure.

 

Since I live in Australia, I was originally considering Dr. He-whom-shall-not-be-named to perform my HT procedure, but I must admit that even years before reading Dr. Rassman's comments, this Australian doctor's secrecy and attempted use of 'shock' tactics regarding strip (take a look at the video on the main page of his site!) really made his marketing ploys seem questionable and that he was not at all transparent - something that's strongly advocated at the HTN.

 

Sorry for the long-winded post, but essentially, I'm just curious as to whether this Australian doctor really did invent FUE? Dr. Rassman has never struck me as the type to be misleading or make false claims, and seems to be responsible in holding himself accountable for his comments. So, is this just speculation? Can anybody direct us to solid proof that the Australian doctor really did invent FUE?

[Dr. William Lindsey]

PRP and a variety of other adjuvant therapies have propagated through the facial plastic world with mixed reviews.

 

I have seen some of these that are made with the patient's own blood, and I would consider these IF results pan out as touted. I have seen others made from commercial blood supplies, which while safe, have a potential for viral transmission--albeit extremely small. I would not use that on my family and therefore would not recommend it in our patients.

 

As in many aspects of life, with medicine, NEVER BE FIRST IN LINE FOR ANYTHING. If these products work and are safe, controlled peer reviewed studies will show it.

 

Dr. Lindsey McLean VA

[Dr. William Lindsey]

So, we are taking a break in our current case and I have had about an hour to look into PRP.

 

Since my last exposure to it at the 2007 Facial plastic symposium, it appears significant improvements in harvesting from autologous blood (the patient's own blood) have been made. That would be the key sticking point for my use of a blood derived product on patients. The older techniques of harvesting blood products were not nearly as easy to use, as inexpensive, or as safe. In fact, way back in 1987, as a researching med student, I banked autlogous blood from a variety of animals to make fibrin glue to prevent postop seroma (fluid under the skin) accumulations in mastectomy and neck and the techniques were antique compared to what is available now.

 

Thanks Lost my swagger for bringing this up. It has spurred me to look into it. I will keep seeing what I can find out about PRP and hair.

 

Dr. Lindsey McLean VA

[lost my swagger]

Thanks Lost my swagger for bringing this up. It has spurred me to look into it. I will keep seeing what I can find out about PRP and hair.

 

 

no, thank YOU Dr Lindsey. im glad this stuff has you interested... how bout a Feller/Lindsey TAGTEAM on this PRP stuff might be fun...

 

there is a thread on another forum where a guy actually just went through with a procedure(in florida somewhere, i think) he posted post op pics... i dont want to post the link here but if you or anyone is interested send me a PM

[Dr. William Lindsey]

Lostmyswagger,

 

send me a link. I think that you have my email address from online correspondence way back.

 

Dr. Lindsey McLean VA

[Franklin]

You might want to check in with these docs seems they are giving it a go. "Dr. Jones met with Dr. Greco in Florida last week to discuss the potential of Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) as a hair loss treatment.

 

Dr. Jones announced today that he will start treating patients with PRP some time this month, on a small scale trial basis. The process is fairly straight forward and non-invasive. It will be performed in his Toronto/Oakville clinic in Canada.

 

Please note that the use of Platelet Rich Plasma for hair regeneration is a new concept. Dr. Greco seems to have some success in this area. However, there is no guarantee what kind of results (or side effects) one may expect from the treatment.

 

The process involves using the patient's own blood as growth factors. It is a not a surgery. Dr Jones will be using the exact same technique and protocol used by Dr. Greco. At this point, he has ordered enough supplies to treat 15 patients on a trial basis. There will be a small fee for the procedure, but it is strictly to cover the cost of the supplies and overhead required to administer the treatment. Pictures and results will be posted on Dr. Jones' website

[lost my swagger]

I will add this much, however. The technology as I've seen it applied falls a bit short. Either the original researches in the application of PRP to hairloss are unaware of the short comings as presented or, more likely, they held back some important steps in the name of technical propriety- which is perfectly fine and understandable.

 

No matter, however, I have already addressed these missing matters with just a bit of added technology that I will disclose to all if and when this technology gains any traction.

 

 

the above quote by Dr feller is what has me most curious to be honest.... he seems to be implying(in the last two sentences) that he has improved upon the effectivness of PRP treatments through his own "added technology"..

 

it may be possible, through some more 'tweeking' that we maximize the potential of this treatment in the near future... atleast i hope

[lost my swagger]

heres a little more

 

 

http://www.regrowhair.com/hair...man-hair-transplant/

[lost my swagger]

DR. LINDSEY and DR. FELLER

 

here is a video that may be of interest to you. please have a look, and please feel free to comment

 

[lost my swagger]

Originally posted by spex:

Great video LMS - Good find!

 

As mentioned earlier on another forum Dr Feller intends to announce the incorporation of PRP within Feller Medical soon. I intend to start on it myself along with Dr Feller who is very keen himself to start it.

 

More information will become available on it through Dr Feller soon. Watch this space.

 

thats GREAT NEWS spex---- when do you hope to start your treatments??

 

what kind of expectations do you have for this??

 

any info at all would be a big help... thanks.

[lost my swagger]

below is a quote from Dr. Feller on another thread

 

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Yes, for me, I believe it's time to start discussing PRP and offering it on a limited basis. Hopefully it won't become over-hyped as tends to happen too much on the internet.

 

PRP for hair is NEW and therefore EXPERIMENTAL. But unlike most experimental treatements, this one is completely safe because the "product" comes from your own body. The worst that I can see happening is that nothing will happen.

 

When I told other doctors that I believed in this treatment for hairloss they rightfully asked me where the data was. They were prudent and right to ask that question as there is precious little of it; but I believe that is only because it's application to hairloss is brand new.

 

PRP is not the first EFFECTIVE treatment to suffer from lack of initial data. Finasteride, Minoxidil, and even hair transplantation had no data when they first started to be used as hairloss remedies. It took about 40 years for hair transplantation to be taken seriously and about 5 or more years for Finasteride and Minoxidil to be examened and re-invented into Propecia and Rogaine- the first FDA approved hairloss treatments.

 

The FACT is that PRP WORKS in REALITY to regenerate injured or aged tissue. It seems to have a positive effect on any tissue it comes into contact with, and when one examines the properties of blood platelelts it doesn't take long to see why it's use in treating hairloss is valid.

 

I plan to offer this treatment to my pateints because I believe this will benefit them much in the same way that Finasteride benefits patients, but without the possible side-effects. This will also give me the opportunity to collect REAL world data on its effects as a treatment that provides COSMETICALLY SIGNIFICANT results.

 

I am writing an informational booklet on PRP to help educate my patients and want to thank Joe Greco, PhD for bringing this concept to the hair world and for educating me on PRP basics, and to Dr. Jerry Cooley for being forward looking and industrious enough to include it in his own practice these past few years and sharing his success with us.

 

I encourage all HT doctors to offer this treatment to their patients.

 

Feller Medical, PC

Great Neck, NY

516-487-3797

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what i find exciting are the comments about half way down, when Dr. Feller discusses his believes that this treatment may stall or reverse(regenerate) the miniturazation process like what finasteride has been shown to do, except without side effects since its YOUR OWN plasma at work....

 

Dr. Feller--- this is no doubt exciting news for me and others.. like you say "hopefully it won't become over-hyped".. i agree, to that i say that YOU can do your part to make sure this does not happen, simply by being as honest and upfront about this stuff as possible, just as you have always been with the limitations of FUE.

 

ive got a little over 2,000 questions id like to ask you with regards to this new form of treatment

 

ill hold off with the hope that very soon you dive a little deeper into what can and cannot be done with this stuff...

 

 

List of HT Drs using PRP(to my knowledge)

 

Dr. Cooley

Dr. Jones

Dr. Feller

 

***Dr. lindsey seems to show SOME interest in PRP himself***

 

if anyone knows more feel free to post.

 

all i know is that an EFFECTIVE, SAFE, NEW form of treatment for helping fight hairloss is big news. and multiple Drs seem to think there is something to this....i hope they are right, becuause HTs blow

[lost my swagger]

its beyond me that none of you seem interested in this.. were talking about potentially a NEW form of treatment against hairloss without sides, big name docs are climbing aboard and you guys got nothin??... no questions??, no excitment?.. NO QUESTIONS!?!.... i know alot of you LOOOVE your transplants and all but on a truly bald man transplants just dont cut it by themselves and you all know it.... here is something with the potential to work WITH tranplsnts OR WITHOUT, to help keep native hair, its safe, seeminly cheep(we will see if Dr. feller takes a different approach then his over priced FUE)... this is something that COULD revolutionize hairloss treatments and spawn new possiblities in coverage.. AND ITS HERE.. its not 5 years away people... seriously! whats the matter with you people ...

 

im done venting thanks

[SERIOUS]

LMS,

 

Like many of us, you probably spent many years researching the hair loss problems and its solutions. Maybe our lack of over-excitement resides in the fact that we're looking for true and consistent results, rather than reacting to the first steps of experimentation with this technique. In other words, we have seen other promising treatments fail.

 

From my humble opinion, it does'nt seem like a technique that's going to revolutionize the whole field. But who knows... I'll be very happy if it does produce amazing and consistent results. Until then, I'll keep my objectivity and will remain calm.

[lost my swagger]

rather than reacting to the first steps of experimentation with this technique. In other words, we have seen other promising treatments fail.

 

 

while i get what your saying, and agree... i see STRONG differences in the progress of things like ICX, follica, ect, ect and this.... PRP is NOT a cure. and nobody is saying it is... what they ARE saying is that its a form of treatment that will maintain hair and thicken miniturized hairs.. WITHOUT SIDES..

 

bogus promises and timelines are not being thrown out here, ITS HERE.. we do no have to wait for it to go through 45 different phases. ITS READY TO TRY... thats all im sayin...

 

how long have we just had fin and minox PERIOD??? now we got something drs are investing in, something that shows potential, and nobody is curious... why?? you dont want to get your hopes up and be sad???? WERE ALREADY SAD!! WERE LOOSING OUR HAIR.. and its gonna take advancments and new treatment to come along it thats EVER not gonna be the case for most of us.... so im excited.. im hoping this is effective, and with drs WHO KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN ME believeing in this treament i think it will help fight hairloss.... and thats why im here

[thanatopsis_awry]

lol, I agree -- it's momentous news, potentially. When I visit Dr. Feller next I will definitely inquire, and likely try to get a treatment in myself. The ultimate question is *how* good this can be for some of us, and how aggressive we can then be w/ HTs, or, more importantly, the lack of future HT(s). Either way, I'd like to know something about the following:

 

-- $ it will be costing per treatment, and how many treatments are optimal per year

 

-- effects on maintenance as opposed to actual regrowth, and how potent it can be for either

 

-- efficacy in line w/ fin, or can it work well on the "hairline", too

 

-- is there any reason to think a mechanism like this can't maintain efficacy indefinitely

[SERIOUS]

we do no have to wait for it to go through 45 different phases.

 

Really?

 

I agree with you that it sounds interesting,

 

but until it goes through a rigorous testing process, it "will" actually remain anecdotal and experimental.

 

That's it

[Mr. GQ]

LOL @ LMS

LMS you are getting too excited bro, relax

all i know that that's how Steelers won their Super Bowl XLIII

it's primarily used for ligament healings, arthritis and such and Dr Allan Mishra is one of the pioneers in that feeld.

i'll probably get excited like you are now once i see a patient that grew some hair from it. hair and hair follicles are very complex organs and the science that goes on behind it is still very mysterious for man kind. heck docs can't even explain why and how minoxidil is making hair grow let alone something this new.

 

here are some educational videos for you so feel free to check them out.

 

 

 

and finally the proof that Steelers won because of PRP:

 

 

and yes i'm optimistic about it just like you are, only because the treatment mimics/attracts stem cells and anything that is in any way, shape and form related to stem cells - i'm down with it

[lost my swagger]

and yes i'm optimistic about it just like you are, only because the treatment mimics/attracts stem cells and anything that is in any way, shape and form related to stem cells - i'm down with it

 

haha. this made me laugh because i feel the same way... if i hear stem cells and hairloss in the same sentence i feel all funny, like when i used to climb the rope in gym class..

 

 

here is the thing GQ, NOTHING, and i mean NOTHING available today can stop me from heading to a future that will consist of a thin pluggy front third, a bald top and crown and a jagged scar running from ear to ear... ive given up on transplants.. when i look at my donor then i look at what im gonna eventually lose its just not possible to pull enough grafts to make my hair look decent...

 

MY ONLY HOPE IS FUTURE TREATMENTS. peroid.. so forgive me for being excited that MULTIPLE HT drs believe in this stuff enough that they are not only offering this to their patients but they cant wait to try it themselves...

 

thickening existing follicles, getting some regrowth from vellus hair, or simply keeping the hairs you have growing healthy and strong... this is what this stuff is believed to be able to potentially do. frankly if it does ANY of this then its a MAJOR advancement, and well worth it..

 

so ill put all my eggs in the PRP basket, andif that basket gets stolen ill start lookin for new eggs.. forget being let down. i dont give a shit... up to this point my hts have been a let down so im used to it.. i need hope.. i need science becase HTs are JUNK IMO(for what i personally want to accomplish).

 

SERIOUS--- what i mean is YOU PERSONALLY cannot test the follica process, or the ICX process because they have to pass trials and stages and blah blah that will keep them from the general public for YEARS even if they did work well... THIS STUFF YOU, SERIOUS, can try right now.. its here right now any while its in the early stages of testing is something ANY of us can put to the test if we choose.

[lost my swagger]

The ultimate question is *how* good this can be for some of us, and how aggressive we can then be w/ HTs, or, more importantly, the lack of future HT(s). Either way, I'd like to know something about the following:

 

-- $ it will be costing per treatment, and how many treatments are optimal per year

 

-- effects on maintenance as opposed to actual regrowth, and how potent it can be for either

 

-- efficacy in line w/ fin, or can it work well on the "hairline", too

 

-- is there any reason to think a mechanism like this can't maintain efficacy indefinitely

 

 

BAM!! thanks thana, was that so hard people?? lol... thana all very good questions. if DR feller does not provided the answers to these for us publicly would you mind sharing what you learn from your visit with me?? it can be in a PM...no need to go public these guys dont care about it anyway so screw em!!........................................just kidding guys