Smp final results?

[sanchoy]

I just got my smp last week. They are telling me it will take about a month before I see the final results? Not to happy so far in some parts. Does it take a month?or bs

[hairthere]

It should not take a month to see final results.

[sanchoy]

Ok, I noticed a significant change of color fade. Is the color supposed to fade due to scab healing?

[pkipling]

Ok, I noticed a significant change of color fade. Is the color supposed to fade due to scab healing?

 

From what I understand, yes - the color should fade after the initial treatment, so that wouldn't be my main concern. Maybe one of the SMP guys on here can jump in with more concrete details of the process.

 

With the regular tattoos I have, however, the color always ends up considerably lighter after it's healed. I assume it's the same with the scalp.

[hairthere]

Hi Sanchoy,

My apologies for the short response as it wasn't entirely accurate. SMP results and heal times will vary from clinic to clinic as most use their own equipment/products. For instance, I use Beauty Medical's system exclusively which is a temporary SMP designed to naturally fade and disappear over time. From my experience it generally takes a few days for redness to dissipate and for the true final product to shine through. After about a week the client should have a finalized product and fading should start around the 1 year mark. This depends on several factors including client's physiology, as well as environmental factors (sun/chlorine exposure, etc.). Once the product begins to fade there should be no color change (blue/green) just a lessening in intensity.

 

Now, the reason our system is temporary has to do with the depth we deposit the pigment (our needle goes .05mm), and the small size of the particles that comprise our pigments (15 microns). This small particle size allows for the body to absorb and eliminate the pigment.

 

I am not privy to the SMP brand you used or their system, but if it is permanent then their needle depth and particle size is likely deeper and larger. So, their healing times could in fact be longer and the intensity of the color could shift more drastically.

 

Have you been documenting your SMP with pictures?

[scar5]

 

.....I use Beauty Medical's system.....temporary SMP designed to naturally fade and disappear over time.

 

after...a week the client should have a finalized product...

 

...fading should start around the 1 year mark.

 

.....Once the product begins to fade there should be no color change (blue/green)

 

....we deposit the pigment (our needle goes .05mm),..... This small particle size allows for the body to absorb and eliminate the pigment.

 

if it is permanent then their needle depth and particle size is likely deeper and larger.

 

Nice,

What a load of bullshit,

One week, optimal??? lol

And then you get one year of glory?

 

No color change? You have defeated science? There is only one way forward..itis the Nobel Prize.

[sanchoy]

This is what I was able to research. After the SMP, it looked amazing. But now since the scabs are drying off the color has increasingly fades to a dull dark gray. Some areas a patchy! In those areas it could be the contrast difference between scab areas. #7 below states color can and will change by 50%? I'm thinking about going back in since I still have one more extra treatment if needed

 

 

Day 1

Throughout and immediately after treatment a localized protective response also known as inflammation will be apparent. Typical characteristics can be redness, edema and slight irritation. This reaction is totally normal due to the unfamiliar activity the skin has just experienced. A rich vitamin A & D barrier cream is applied to the area and given for homecare before leaving us at The Shadow Clinic. A hat should be brought along and worn whenever outside during the healing process to avoid UV exposure. Barrier cream should be applied daily over the next 5-7 days.

 

Day 2

 

Redness starts to subside and depending on your skin Fitzpatrick is usually less apparent on darker skins. The Micro scalp pigmentation may start to appear darker due to the newly formed protective scabs ( > Pin point size) from needle incision.

 

Day 3

 

Redness has decreased further and the healing process on the 3-5 day will peak. At this stage scabs begin to exfoliate. A follow up call from The Shadow Clinic is made to check up and answer any questions you may have.

 

Day 4

 

Minimal redness will be present if any. Micro pigmentation dots may seem larger then a normal hair follicle size as minimal blood, pigment and lymphatic fluids that formed the protective scab purge and flake away from the new skin.

 

Day 5

 

Exfoliation is still underway as the pin point size scabs decay. Skin at this stage may feel dry and itchy. Homecare should still be applied at least once a day. If the area still feels dry then re-apply. Do not scratch or remove scabs yourself as you can remove a piece of new skin holding pigment along with it. Exfoliation must be done naturally. Any premature removal of scabs can leave the new undeveloped skin exposed before time.

 

Day 6

 

A marked difference in micro pigmentation dot size and tone will be apparent from continuing exfoliation. You will be use to the darker healing colour so do not be alarmed when the treated area becomes lighter. You will notice different colours within the dots , some dark, some light and all different shades of charcoal .

 

Day 7

 

Your treatment will appear very light as new skin is formed. Pigment can fade anywhere up to 50 percent. Many factors will determine this. The pigment is a foreign particle and depending on how aggressive your immune system is macrophages (Scavenger cells) can work toward trying to rid the area of the pigment. Newly formed collagen will encase pigment making it inaccessible to the immune system thus shading over it. Remember new skin can appear opaque to begin with clouding over the pigment. The treated area will feel a little bumpy until exfoliation has diminished. In a month pigment integration within the skin is complete and the true colour and tone will be seen. On day 7 any existing hair may be carefully cut and you are ready for your 2nd of 3 treatments.

[hairthere]

50% color change seems pretty drastic to me.

 

Here's a client who we did at 1 week post SMP and again at 8 months post. You can see some of the pigment diminished in spots but the color remained intact. We're getting ready to do a 2 year touchup soon.

 

I've taken a lot of time and care to ensure that the product I'm using does what we advertise, and thus far I feel very satisfied with the results. I have zero interest in bullshitting anyone, but a Nobel Prize sounds lovely.

Edited April 8, 2015 by hairthere

[sanchoy]

The place I went to did everything in one session. I know most places do it two or more sessions. The pigmentation is unequal in some areas with large dots. Which I am unhappy about. The density is also unequal in some areas

[sanchoy]

Not sure what to do they are saying wait a month

[scar5]

Sanchoy

 

I know it is easy to say and hard to do, but I think you will have to wait it out.

 

If you feel embarrassment you could wear a hat. If it so bad that it needs laser, you'll still have to wait...how long?- check this with someone who knows and cross-check their answer.

 

If you are like me you will have notices several dark blotchy areas as well oversized dots that 'pop' out when you look closely.

 

In my case these popped out dots entirely disappeared. I put them down to residual ink left in the epidermis as the needle was pulled out. Anyway, no problem at all after about 6 weeks.

 

The darker blotches were simply too much ink, or so I gather after my discussion with the Shapiro temp SMP. (Mine is not temporary, although it has faded considerably.

 

It really faded by almost 50% after 4-6 weeks and then has started to fade over time as well. I wanted it to fade a little too although I'm glad I didn't get temp SMP or else I would be back to square one already.

 

So steady as she goes there. Take plenty of pics with different cameras phones etc. (they can drastically reflect different tones) After 4-6 weeks re-asses. All the best.

 

Oh..and

Hairthere

Sorry about the harsh tone of that reply a few posts back.

No need for that and wisely ignored.

.

[hairthere]

Sanchoy,

Scar5 is correct; all that you can do right now is sit tight, and wait and see.

 

Scar5,

No problem.

[sanchoy]

I'm just so confused, after the initial smp it looked awesome. The redness due to the procedure masked the large dots. Now that the redness dissipated the dots are noticeable. I'm so sad right now and disappointed. I hope what you say is true, that the large dots will shrink. I have a presentation in front of a conference next week and my ego is so shot! I. I'm depressed, I called my smp vendor and they stated I had to wait a whole.month until june.

 

My wife even told me, what happened to your procedure. Even she noticed. Please if you had any similar experience where large dots are left, after 2 weeks. Please reply your experience. Im so lost and defeated. Help me. I wanted to finish this amp in preparation for my conference next week, now I look like a total clown show. Help. Thanks.

[BaldKen2]

The 'large dot technique' is something that I have seen from HIS Hair clients. The provider who did my smp uses a completely different technique and the dots were tiny upon application and are still the same size today. Based on what I have seen from the HIS Hair clients, the dots shrink significantly within 30 days, but based on the fact that you say your provider does a 'one and done' session approach, it couldnt be His Hair b/c they require 3-5 sessions initially. Still, your provider sounds as though they have the same technique.

With any SMP or tattoo, as the redness subsides, and your macrophages 'eat away' the excess ink (this is different for everyone based on their immune system), and the rest is exfoliated through the epidermis (skin flaking like sunburn) the color density will fade significantly- a process that can take up to 60 days or more. This is why it is imperative to make sure that your provider offers additional sessions if you need them. The one and done approach is convenient only for the provider.

[pkipling]

I'm just so confused, after the initial smp it looked awesome. The redness due to the procedure masked the large dots. Now that the redness dissipated the dots are noticeable. I'm so sad right now and disappointed. I hope what you say is true, that the large dots will shrink. I have a presentation in front of a conference next week and my ego is so shot! I. I'm depressed, I called my smp vendor and they stated I had to wait a whole.month until june.

 

My wife even told me, what happened to your procedure. Even she noticed. Please if you had any similar experience where large dots are left, after 2 weeks. Please reply your experience. Im so lost and defeated. Help me. I wanted to finish this amp in preparation for my conference next week, now I look like a total clown show. Help. Thanks.

 

Hey Sanchoy. Were you able to get this resolved before your conference? Curious to see if the dots shrank in time. Also, did they not give you a timeline of what to expect after the procedure so that you could plan and time your procedure accordingly?

 

Hopefully it all worked out.

[sanchoy]

Dots lightened up a little, however the color contrast between the dots are too noticeable. Some areas look like sharpy markers, other areas looked well blend. They claim that results varied per customer and my body expelled the Ink more then others.

 

The conference presentation was nerve wrecking, I tried my best to stay away from high area lighting. My co-workers asked me afterwards if .I was alright, they said I looked nervous and worried, compared to my usual self.

 

Overall, I'm heavily disappointed. Having to display this for 2 months is uncalled for. The company said they were willing to get me in after 2 months and resolve the issue

[BaldKen2]

Dots lightened up a little, however the color contrast between the dots are too noticeable. Some areas look like sharpy markers, other areas looked well blend. They claim that results varied per customer and my body expelled the Ink more then others.

 

The conference presentation was nerve wrecking, I tried my best to stay away from high area lighting. My co-workers asked me afterwards if .I was alright, they said I looked nervous and worried, compared to my usual self.

 

Overall, I'm heavily disappointed. Having to display this for 2 months is uncalled for. The company said they were willing to get me in after 2 months and resolve the issue

 

Sorry about the disappointing stressful experience. Which provider did your SMP?

[sanchoy]

ScalpMP. Finally went in to redo my touch up after almost 3 gruesome months. Looks promising, but I'm still skeptical since the first session was a disaster. They claimed the wrong depth was used and this time the color should retain. We shall see, I'll keep you posted

[BaldKen2]

Good deal brother! It sounds like some progress there, hopefully it holds this time. I know SMP can be a stressful process sometimes. Looks like you are on the right track though

[BUSA]

I jus can't get over wat clinics are charging for essentially tattooing ones head with the same color with little dots. the pricing is just comical!

[MirkoMensInk]

If the dots spread out it means that the work was performed technically bad and with the wrong pigment.

[SatyamAmbala41]

You may need to wait months to see results but in most cases in happen in week or two. You should ask your doctor/tattoo artist if results take longer than usual.