Any opinions on this?

[JohnS]

I am looking into some of the laser combs on the market, most are very expensive but I have found one unit that appears very well made and very cheap. They have a website and also sell it on eBay. It has 9 individual lasers, 5mw each, seems more potent than the Hairmax which only has one and the price is only $60. What do you guys think, worth trying?

 

WWW.GETWIREDDIRECT.COM

 

[JohnS]

I am looking into some of the laser combs on the market, most are very expensive but I have found one unit that appears very well made and very cheap. They have a website and also sell it on eBay. It has 9 individual lasers, 5mw each, seems more potent than the Hairmax which only has one and the price is only $60. What do you guys think, worth trying?

 

WWW.GETWIREDDIRECT.COM

 

[nobuzz4me]

I have never tried these as I am always cynical about these types of things. It is interesting how Dr. Charles and Dr. Bauman advocates it though and the price is certainly not going to break anyone.

[NervousNelly]

Are there some studies out there that show the efficacy of such products--yes. If you feel like spending $60 it certainly isn't going to hurt but I wouldn't hold your breath for anything dramatic. In saying that however, if you combine it with several other hair growth/health programs it increases your odds. If it means paying the rent or buying this product--go for the shelter.

[JohnS]

Thanks guys for your input. I am already using propecia and rogaine with pretty good results, so I was looking to add something else in to spice things up. At this price there really is no downside, I have thrown away much more than this over the years trying to grow hair. Really can't hurt and I may end up being surprised, there does seems to be some science behind it.

[MrJobi]

don't waste your money..

 

Have a nice dinner instead ( for 1)

 

JB

[JohnS]

Thanks Mrjb, I do not eat much so $60 is way too much for me, probably be better spent on my hair, thanks for the suggestion anyway.

[HK500]

Hey JohnS,

It sounds like you want to try the laser comb, I have not heard of any downsides except that on the web site link you posted they say no more than 3 times per week ... I would follow this reco.

Why not make a case study on this? Since you are a member of our forum and if you want to of course, you could post pictures taken in the same conditions, of before, at one month, 2 months, etc ...

I read Dr. Bauman's post comments and I think there may be some benefits to laser. Let us know what you want to do but this might be a good opportunity to document a new "Hair Helper" on our community.

[MrJobi]

Hi

 

HK, there have been so many posts on here about laser comb and nobody has given any concrete data on the fact it regrows hair.. Do a search and you will see the other posts.. There is one big downside..

 

It doesn't work and the original is VERY pricey...

[JohnS]

HK500

 

Sounds good to me, I don't mind being a guinea pig. Will order it and document my progress.

 

 

Mrjb

 

If I had to spend $600 for the original I would not do it, but $60 is a different story, no big deal, I have wasted more than that on women and had nothing to show for it.

[nobuzz4me]

Originally posted by JohnS:

HK500

 

Sounds good to me, I don't mind being a guinea pig. Will order it and document my progress.

 

 

Mrjb

 

If I had to spend $600 for the original I would not do it, but $60 is a different story, no big deal, I have wasted more than that on women and had nothing to show for it.

 

 

 

John S.

 

Are you saying you have a better chance of getting lucky with a $60 lasercomb than with the women?? LOL!! Just kidding my friend!

 

 

HK, great idea to document from a member who has no stake in the product.

[Bill - Seemiller]

JohnS,

 

It depends what you want to use it for. I know a few doctors seem to advocate use of laser therapy for faster healing of an HT, but there is still no evidence that it will regrow hair. So if you are looking for it to do this for you, I agree with Mrjb...don't waste your money.

 

Bill

[MrJobi]

Hey dude

 

It's your 60 bucks but if the 600 dollar one don't work I doubt the 60 dollar one does either

 

Good luck though, let us know

[RoboNick]

On the site is says it costs $80, where you found for 60?

[JohnS]

This is one of their links on ebay, they have a few listed all the time, all of them end up selling for $59-60.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LASER-9-UNIT-Comb-your-Hair-again_W0QQitemZ250075272542QQihZ015QQcategoryZ31413QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[MrJobi]

Jesus

 

60 bucks on Ebay..

 

Yeah, I'm sure that one works..

 

C'mon guys.. get real and stop looking for snake oils.

 

You really are wasting your time and money

 

If there was any hope I'd be first in line & Bill would be 2nd

[studentjay]

It's his money, let him spend it as he wishes. Unless you have tried this laser stuff you are not qualified to speak from first hand knowledge. I am sure he will update us as things progress.

[MrJobi]

Hey Studentjay

 

I am qualified to speak on it. I have been doing research on Hairloss related items for over 3 years. This, in addition to hearing comments from the veterens on here I feel very qualified and confident.. Oh, if you did some research on here and the countless threads on Lasercomb related issues you will see I have tried Lasercomb for 6 months.. Guess what ...

 

No results..I think that gives me some "first hand knowledge."

 

Just to update you, I will give you a list of other items I have tried without any results.. I have wasted a ton of money & wish to prevent my peers from doing the same

 

Nioxin

Procerin

Avacor

Prograine

Saw Palmetto

Tea Tree oil

Copper peptides

Laser comb

 

and more I can't think of now

 

 

Yes, he can spend his money but I thought the purpose on here was to help people and prevent them from the pitfalls ??? Find me one person on here who, is legit and has had positive results with this thing..

 

Cheers

[NervousNelly]

This post is a duplicate of another under discussion of caffeine and hairgrowth.

 

 

Mrjb,

 

Since in the previous post you took a slight jab at my protocol , just slight so I'm comfortable with it, I just want to reiterate what has been said several times.

 

This forum is ofcourse here to help educate individuals on not only HT but also hair care and growth considerations. Definitely a part of that is to help people save money on useless products.

 

I watch you go from thread to thread shooting down every possible alternative to the "big 2" for hair regrowth or healthy regimine. You have your opinion and I respect that-- in fact you might be right--the other shit might be just that, worthless shit.

 

But, just because you have had no results with other products doesn't mean that others haven't. Yes there are very few indivuduals that post results directly due to: laser combs, hanging upside down, hyperbaric chambers, MSM, tea tree oil, shen min, or whatever, but that doesn't mean that they don't have the slightest bit of efficacy. Maybe they are afraid to post for fear of ridicule by others--no offense. Ask yourself the question--How many people have posted here with great results from just minoxidol? propecia? Are they legit?

 

My wife and I have worked for some of the largest marketing firms in the world and I can tell you this--anything, and I will bold that--ANYTHING with the right marketing and hype will sell and people will swear by it. Trust me. What is my point? My point of that statement is that minoxidol and propecia are way over hyped and not nearly as effective as we all would like to believe. Probably the best stuff out there right now but way way way over hyped. Advertising budgets on both when introduced was over $350 million. Oh and what marketing genious--You must continue to take it or any gains will be lost. Damn beautiful.

 

Do you know the value of placebo's? Why does the sugar pill "cure" so many ailments. We put our faith into something and guess what? 50% of the time it helps. Aren't you a bit curious about that? They don't make billions of dollars so therefore will never be marketed and preached about being the end all of cures!!!

 

So I advocate anything a person wants to try that won't harm them, keep them from paying the rent, or whatever. Most are probably snake oils but statistically there is very little difference in a lab between snake oils and the big 2. Oh by the way, statistically we could scew the numbers to demonstrate anything we wanted. Doesn't that piss you off? Hey but I bought into the hype also and still take propecia and min.

 

I look forward to your one liner to call me a fool, idiot, or some other sarcastic whatever, but until I see your before and afters of what miraculous transitions have taken place with propecia and minoxidol while you head to your 3rd HT, I'll be hangin upside down. Let's all face it, at this point in time if we want more hair seek out a qualified HT physician. The other crap might keep hair healthy and make companies very rich.

 

Where is Cousin It??

[MrJobi]

Hi NN

 

Ironically enough. We are are the same page but who's side are you on? I would expect a bit more of a relaistic objective approach from a person with such a marketing background(and a PHD). You know how much money and targeting strategy that goes into these product campaigns out there. The supplement companies have been doing it for decades. My opinions ( or I like to call it objective advice) is to provide honest feedback to those people who have been in my shoes.

 

I remember when I was 23 & started losing my hair. It was the worst time of my life and my desperation only exceeded my false hope in products that made claims to re-grow hair or stop fall out.. I tried MANY of them wasting thousands of dollars. They just don't work & the FDA (who is no hero) cannot monitor them.. Now with that being said, I do agree that sometimes the big 2 are BLOWN out of proportion & you won't see me saying they will give you a thick mane BUT Propecia has worked great for me for 7 years or so and did everything it has claimed. As far as Minix, I don't use it ... Too messy and not worth my time for my situtation but many including my brother like it. They point is they actually work and CAN regrow hair..The others don't .. Period.

 

So that's it.. The bottom line is we are in agreement on many items.. REMEMBER though, people on here are desperate and looking for hope.. I only try to give them the answers which will help them, rather than false hope and an empty pocket.

 

When people post claims on here.. Newbies will try it.. They don't know better ( like me 10 years ago) I will not let them go through what I did ..

 

My friend, my statements are based on scientific evidence, my personal experience, and from the select few on here who are legitimate.. that means they want to help people..

 

If that is wrong in your opinion or anyone else on here... I really could careless because I know I am being just in my cause.. I sleep extremely well at night..

 

P.S. I think you are Waayy of base comparing propecia and minoxidil to the other snake oils out there... Have you ever talked to a hairloss surgeon?? The bests of the best will say the same thing I do... Yes, I am familiar with double blind studies,sugar pill, etc. etc..

 

Remember correlation does not equal causation!

 

I also know those snake oil companies conduct their own studies and manipulate the results.. Have you ever seen some of these infommercials for hairloss i.e. Miss Sherida Devine...

 

JOBI

[NervousNelly]

Well I knew I would get a reply.

 

Could your results with propecia be placebo? Possibly the halting of hairloss was going to happen?

 

If you look at my posts I never make claim that anything will grow, stop, or produce healthy hair, but give arguements as to why they might.

 

I also do tell people to try propecia and minoxidol. But I know that millions of dollars have made it "appear" to be more successful than they truly are. Yes scientific studies have demonstrated that they can produce results, but it is slightly greater than placebo in blind studies. That is a fact. Your statement that they are the ONLY things proven to grow hair is NOT fact. We have discussed before that the hair follicle still has to be active and therefore they facilitate further growth and healthier growth. Other products have also done this in studies--but millions of dollars have not been spent to market this.

 

What I don't do is post one-liners shooting down the efficacy of everything out there without providing any evidence other than I tried it and it doesn't work. This is the problem I have with your posts.

 

What about the thousands of individuals that have spent their hard earned money on propecia and minoxidol with zero results? They are out there too.

 

Please understand my point. I do not advocate that all the bullshit out there works, but that does not mean that it might not have a slight bit of efficacy. Possibly it may work for someone and if it is cheap and harmless what the hell. Yes every HT doc will give praise to propecia and minoxidol but some discuss merit in other treatments also.

 

You question my subjective opinion (however it is also objective by the way) because I have an open mind, but I haven't spent thousands on useless products? But ofcourse I don't see the harm if one could afford--obviously you couldn't and now are frustrated about it. I'm sorry they didn't work for you.

[MrJobi]

Nelly

 

Thanks for the feedback.. We do agree on some points but I base my answers on percentages of successes. Successes of mine, other vets on here, and leading docs who are experts. Not the probabilty of some outlandish idea working as you are basing yours on. Your argument basically says " If there's a possibility it's could be valid" I agree to disagree.

 

Trust me , the Propecia stopped my hair loss and regrew some.. How do I know this..Simple, my hair stopped falling in the sink like crazy..AND I started to regrow some new little hair which got better.. Just like many others on here

 

So please tell me what other products regrow hair besides minoxidil and Propecia??? Please let us know so we can try them ??? But when people suggest something like caffine & 60 cups a coffee a day.

 

Dude, i'm sorry but that's not good enough..( funny but not worthy)

 

Nelly, trust me, I could afford to buy these products just as I do Propecia every month but the only differences is the others don't work?? Little to do with the money and more to do with helping others avoid false hope.

 

Search some threads on here buddy!! It is others too commenting about the garbage that's out there..Take a look around at this stuff..

 

I want to help others with proven items.. Look at the most recent post where Bill say

 

"

In all honesty, I wouldn't consider a transplant at this point being that you are most likely just starting to lose your hair and you don't know how much more you will lose. If you aren't already, I recommend getting on finasteride ASAP. You will need a prescription for it and it can be prescribed by any medical doctor, however, I recommend getting a prescription for Proscar if you can and take 1/4 tablet daily as opposed to Propecia simply to save money. You WILL have to cut the Proscar pill, however, since a Proscar pill has 5 mg of finasteride and Propecia only has 1 mg.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Bill

 

 

 

This is a guy who is objective and has had over 7000 HT's .. A veteren who knows what works and what doesn't

 

I would love others to chime in on either side

 

Nelly take a look at the bottom thread about other products. You will see some others are in agreement with my stance

[NervousNelly]

Hey guys,

 

Yes this is a good discussion but at the same time I don't want it to get at all personal. We are all entitled to our opinions and I respect all peoples opinions whether I agree or disagree as long as there is some provided arguement to qualify.

 

Mrjb- I think that in many ways were are in agreement but ofcourse there are the obvious differences. I personally believe that a HT is the only way to grow hair. Some other products might help facilitate growth whether due to the merit of the product or the placebo affect. Ofcourse the placebo affect is greater with products that have been hyped in the media because the individual has more confidence in it.

 

If I told you that using an inversion table 5 times per week for 10 minutes has drastically limited hairloss for me in approx 2 months would you believe me? Do I think it will grow hair--No. Do I think it will help facilitate healthy hair and aid in healing of future HT--Yes. Humour me--do a handstand for approx 5 min. You'll feel something happening at the scalp (and its not your pride leaving you.) It won't cost a dime.

 

Yes Bill is a well respected individual on this forum but because he tells someone to take Proscar doesn't mean that my arguement for other potential products is void. Have you seen posts from some of the Coalition physicians touting laser combs and hyperbaric chambers? No offense to Bill but they might have stronger credentials.

 

NoBuzz-I wasn't saying that Mrjb stopped taking the bullshit products because he couldn't afford it. What I meant is that by his statements it seems like he might have regrets that he spent the money on what turned out to be useless products for him. I would never and never do advocate that a person spend a dime if it is money that he might feel upset about spending if the product doesn't work.

 

 

Again, I don't want to be considered the snake oil rep but I am willing to try some natural products that show scientific evidence that either they work or could possibly help to aid in healthy management of my hairloss problem

[Bill - Seemiller]

I'm having dejavu...did'nt I just read a discussion like this and replied to it? I certainly know I was quoted similarly in the last one. LOL.

 

Anyway guys...it's a great discussion...but I do hope and trust you all will keep it friendly . As B Spot would say...spread the hair love!

 

Bill

[the B spot]

Yes spread the hair love!!!!!!

 

I think the laser comb might help individual hair diameter and overall scalp health, and for those willing to spend the money, it seems OK to me.

 

I also think that many of these natural alternatives help as well. What I think happens is that any regrowth or strengthening achieved is spread out of a period of time, that we cannot tell if anything is happening or not.

 

Of course, I will agree that this industry is full of greedy bastards that prey on our insecurities and get us to buy all sorts of useless junk.

 

My point?

 

Give stuff a try if you want and if you can afford to. Keep letting others know your experiences and how you feel about a product or two.

 

By the same token, if someone has tried a product and it has failed for them, then we need to be aware of this as well.

 

I second Bill---- Do try to keep it friendly, eh?