Is propecia the culprit?

[FL_BOY]

I've been on finasteride for over 4 months now, and up until 2 weeks ago, I didn't notice any side effects. I recently became intimate with a girl I'm dating, and sexually the equipment doesn't seem to be operating correctly. I feel like I have very little sex drive which is odd because I'm 26 and she's beautiful. I never had this problem in the past, so I'm beginning to think the propecia is causing this. I wouldn't have imagined I'd be part of the 2% that experience sexual side effects. Hopefully I'm not and my nerves are simply playing games with me. Should I stick to propecia? I really don't want to quit because I want my hair, but this is getting annoying fast. Advice?

[FL_BOY]

I've been on finasteride for over 4 months now, and up until 2 weeks ago, I didn't notice any side effects. I recently became intimate with a girl I'm dating, and sexually the equipment doesn't seem to be operating correctly. I feel like I have very little sex drive which is odd because I'm 26 and she's beautiful. I never had this problem in the past, so I'm beginning to think the propecia is causing this. I wouldn't have imagined I'd be part of the 2% that experience sexual side effects. Hopefully I'm not and my nerves are simply playing games with me. Should I stick to propecia? I really don't want to quit because I want my hair, but this is getting annoying fast. Advice?

[MrJobi]

Tough call

 

Let's face it , we have all had situations where we didn't perform at our best..

 

Nerves?

Alcohol?

Tired?

 

Who knows? Maybe it could be Propecia but be careful because if you let your mind get the best of you , you can convince yourself of anything..

[FL_BOY]

I'm really hoping it's nerves, but I even feel like my sex drive has decreased since being on it. I could be wrong and just psyching myself out. Also, there was drinking involved, but not an exponential amount. Now, I get so nervous because I'm not sure if I'll be able to perform like I should. I was thinking of getting off propecia for two weeks and then assessing the situation.

[MrJobi]

Tough choice..

 

Drinking can do it. Was it the first time you were with this girl? Not to get too personal but maybe it was nerves..

I'm not sure if 2 weeks is quick enough to cause this?? Well, maybe go off and see what happens

[Tom R.]

FL_BOY, All things being equal, given your age, I'd bet your issue has more to do with reading the Propecia literature describing the side effects than it does your equipment and that's what's weighing on your mind. Relax and get to know this girl a little more and your nerves will lessen. Less nervous energy will permit more blood flow to the area your concerned with.

[HTinthefuture]

Originally posted by Tom R.:

FL_BOY, All things being equal, given your age, I'd bet your issue has more to do with reading the Propecia literature describing the side effects than it does your equipment and that's what's weighing on your mind. Relax and get to know this girl a little more and your nerves will lessen. Less nervous energy will permit more blood flow to the area your concerned with.

 

I agree...I had the same issues, and since went off it. but thinking back I am sure It was from the fact that I read it can cause issues in this area.

[bezane]

Repetition. Repetition. But this my subject. Get off it. Psychological sexual dysfunction due to reading side effect labels on meds has the exact same effect as physical sexual dysfunction. It doesn't work.

 

And ask yourself this....Where did the 2% come from? That would be the company. That would be to placate the FDA. That would be to enable them to sell the crap. No one knows. And before someone here chimes in to say they do know. Then they should also know what the % was in the placebo group during phase III. I doubt it though.

 

They are strong drugs made from chemicals that you are putting in your body.

 

Now the blunt part. If I were that beautiful chick and felt like getting my brains fucked out Friday night I wouldn't go back for seconds of a shriveled up dick. Think about that one.

 

Plan a HT regimen. Shave the head and while you're at it trim the pecker hair a bit at the shaft base to make it look longer and screw away.

 

As far as alcohol goes, it is proven to thwart sex drive in about 2% when taken in MODERATION TO ACHIEVE A NICE BUZZ. I personally love to drink exactly 2 martinis (vodka, straight up, bruised, twist) or half bottle of wine and love to get frisky.

[pushing 40]

Bezane, you're killing me here man!

[Curious]

Maybe try it every other day. If you're feeling a dropoff at the age of 26, chances are something is happening and it's probably the medication.

[MrJobi]

Benzane

 

You are way off with the alcohol comment.. Alcohol is a depressant, and after 2 drinks you would be legally drunk in most states. You reaction time is significantly reduced as well as other "functions". Just because you perform well with a buzz does not mean everyone else does. Different people respond differently however, 2% is much too low based on a random population. You seem to have a BIG tendency to generalize based on your own opinions. If you take statistics the rule of thumb is

 

"correlation does not equate to causation"

 

 

P.S. Benzane, alcohol is a strong drug which can cause liver disease, heart disease, cancer and other fatal diseases..That doesn't even include the social problems it causes as well as alcohol related deaths. GOD! Have you seen how much money they spend on THEIR Marketing campaigns.. I would bet it is 10 X what Mercks is .. Let be fair now and compare drugs companies with drug companies..

 

I'll quote you

 

"They are strong drugs made from chemicals that you are putting in your body.

 

 

My friend, they are all Marketing Giants

[bezane]

Mjrb, while I respect your view you are deade wrong on this comparison. MILLLIONS of people are drinking and screwing every day. And you are taking the point that I made that the guy might look at the side effects from Propecia are real. I'd say it's a good possibility rather than you or whomever asking "were you drinking?"

 

Here's why:

 

First of all he asked the question. Included in his request for advice was that he was on Propecia and never experienced this particuliar phenomenon. So given that info and nothing about him drinking, would lead most to believe he may have cause for concern. And if it were alcohol I'm sure his prior experience with it would register as experience in his mind. I mean he is 27. I'm sure it wasn't his first drink and his first girl.

 

And no one ever said alcohol was not a depressant and that two drinks wouldn't make us LEGALLLY drunk. I drink as well as most to get buzzed or at least get that relaxing buzz. But failing a breathylyzer at .08 doesn't have any evidence of turning off your winky.

 

Excessive drunkedness is what has a history of winky shut down.

 

And before you throw casual drinking in with liver/heart disease, remember that 6 oz. of wine or up to 2 drinks per day is quite often prescribed by physicians to promote relaxed functioning of blood flow etc.

 

And speaking to marketing. You must be kidding with that comparison. Liquor companies to Pharmas. First off if you take a single company a biggie like BUD. What do they spend on just one of their products? 10x Merck. I doubt it. But even so. The way a drug company markets and a Liquor company markets are two very different things. While a drug company initially advertises it aims at a much smaller market in two ways. Doctors primarily. While there's a lot, there's less than the general population. And when aiming at their user base it is quite small compared to the general populace as well.

 

Furthermore, the drop off rate of advertising after launch is much bigger for pharmas, because USUALLY there is little competition for a particular specialty drug, and to be brutally honest, they know once someone signs on they are usually hooked into using it.

 

Exceptions for drugs Viagra/Levitra/Cialis. Why? Huge competition.

 

I would also venture an educated guess that the Alcohol Industry spends 10X Merck on promoting safe use with their products, especially since 2000. Their drunk driving campaign is huge. Merck disclaimer is usually read by a speed reader or put in close to unreadable fine print.

 

I understand you want to use and at least in this forum promote Propecia because it works for you. But you have no long-term historical facts about its toxicity and you certainly have no future results.

 

Again you speak to my posts like they are directed at you when not one of them was. And being critical of someone that prefers to proceed with caution about drugs doesn't really make sense of it. And I agree you will find so few doctors that will be negative about drugs but they are part of the industry, have bills to pay etc.

 

I also don't understand the last part of your statement where you quote me about "strong drugs and chemicals" and then you say they are Marketing Giants.

 

Some of the debate techniques you use are popular in politics. They make statements that technically may be true but are not actually relative to the point.

[MrJobi]

Hi

 

I'm not promoting Propecia, I'm promoting objectivity..

 

My point is to compare your argument with every other chemical we put in our body. There is no difference.

 

Every chemical has possible side effects

 

All companies spend money on Marketing..

 

It's not fair to focus on just this one and not speak about all of the other drugs and risks we take on a daily basis..

 

We should all be careful about what we put in our bodies. Agreed..but it is relative to everything, not just a hairloss drug.

 

There is a bigger picture to look at

[bezane]

Okay....but why when we talk about a hair loss drug specifically do we have to profile other unrelated drugs to be fair? Especially in regards to a hair loss forum. And furthermore when it is the manufacturer that agrees stopping use will return you to your previous state which in turn means on the drug for life.

 

Hair loss is only eclipsed by ED as far as angst in males. Here we're dealing with an absolute in one and the possibility of the other.

 

It surprises me a bit that so much debate has to be put into this as opposed to saying it should be as large a decision to go on possible lifelong meds as having a HT.

 

Or maybe this should be exclusively a HT forum and leave meds alone. Which in and of itself is silly.

[thanatopsis_awry]

Does it not just boil down to personal preference, and how strongly you weigh potential side effects, uncertain long-term consequences of drugs, and hair loss itself??

 

Instinctually 2 philosophies arise when it comes to getting on drugs like Propecia; some, like myself, have virtually zero apprehensions about being "forced" into getting on a drug that I must take indefinitely -- it doesn't bother me much and I firmly beleive that the juice is worth the squeeze, so to speak...at the same time, I have a friend, who, when approached with the notion of going on Propecia immediately was very cautious and felt put off by having to get on a drug that he would need to be putting into his system "forever".

[MrJobi]

Very good point Than

 

It really depends on the person and their stand on taking drugs.. I don't plan on being on Propecia forever, I 'm waiting for a solution and yes, some wouldn't dare put anything in their bodies. I have faith in science what can I say as I think there are far worse things to abuse your body ( take a look around the US)

 

Regarding Bezane,I do think it is importnat we look at other drugs or lifestyle habits because it's not just about a hairloss drug, rather putting foreign substance in your body and the Possible side effects.

 

It's like the people who preach one thing and then in another instance contradict themselves ( not you specifically B).. We all put things in our body everyday and have no clue what the outcome long term will be ..We just don't know but we cannot focus on only the potential effects...

 

That is my only point & I don't plan on being on Propecia for life. Let's have faith in science finding a cure.

[FL_BOY]

Originally posted by bezane:

Repetition. Repetition. But this my subject. Get off it. Psychological sexual dysfunction due to reading side effect labels on meds has the exact same effect as physical sexual dysfunction. It doesn't work.

 

And ask yourself this....Where did the 2% come from? That would be the company. That would be to placate the FDA. That would be to enable them to sell the crap. No one knows. And before someone here chimes in to say they do know. Then they should also know what the % was in the placebo group during phase III. I doubt it though.

 

They are strong drugs made from chemicals that you are putting in your body.

 

Now the blunt part. If I were that beautiful chick and felt like getting my brains fucked out Friday night I wouldn't go back for seconds of a shriveled up dick. Think about that one.

 

Plan a HT regimen. Shave the head and while you're at it trim the pecker hair a bit at the shaft base to make it look longer and screw away.

 

As far as alcohol goes, it is proven to thwart sex drive in about 2% when taken in MODERATION TO ACHIEVE A NICE BUZZ. I personally love to drink exactly 2 martinis (vodka, straight up, bruised, twist) or half bottle of wine and love to get frisky.

 

Interesting points you make. First off I'm only a NW2, so shaving my head isn't neccessary, yet. I want to at least maintain my hair count and propecia seems like the only way to achieve that. I've thought about an HT, if my hair loss progresses, but I'd still have to take propecia to prevent further loss.

 

Also, the girl I'm dating isn't just looking to get screwed on a friday night. If so, I wouldn't be so concerned about it and wouldn't be dating her. All in all it may not even be the propecia, but stress or anxiety related. I'm discontinuing use for another week to rule anything out. I'll go from there.

[MrJobi]

Hi FL

 

At the end of the day , it is your call. Who can tell what is causing it.. Maybe Propcecia, maybe nerves or something you didn't even consider ?? In pschological testing they call these Extraneous variibles which are influences which affect the outcome excluding the item being tested.

 

But find out the right way without immediately assuming it is one or the other.. Again, you can let your mind get the best of you..

 

In psychological tests, they ask people to stop thinking about a subject and over 50% cannot do so. You cannot forget about something when you focus on it , and that is why smoking is so hard ( aside from the withdrawal)..Smokers always focus on stopping , stopping which they should be doing other activities to avoid the focus. The mind is a tricking son of a bit$%

[calvinmd]

-- Is it probably the propecia?

Yes. ("Everybody, let's welcome the newest member of The Largest 2% in History!")

 

-- Will the mere knowledge of this instance make it potentially worse, and/or cause you mentally-induced trouble in some cases where it might not have even happenned chemically?

Probably so.

 

-- Will it go away over time if I keep on the drug?

Probably, but maybe not 100% gone in some cases.

 

-- Will I have to quit the Finasteride just to get my weiner back ever again?

Probably not. Just because it happened once doesn't necessarily mean that it's gonna be an ongoing recurrence.

 

 

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