lost my swagger

Bill, i agree with your entire post, ive made an edit that i feel removes ANY specifics in terms of actual drs named.. therefor is no longer specifically damaging to any particular dr, directly... if you decide that the claim in question cannot be made then i support any decision you make.. to me it is what it is... so im sharing an experience as i believe it does carry some relation to the topic... IT IS A CLAIM, NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE. i agree with you also about sharing PMs... ron decided to take one statment i made to him privatly and make it public.. i felt this was an attempt to cast me in a poor light, so for reputations sake i decided to post MY entire PM to get it out there... ill keep rons pm reply private, because i dont roll like that.

Bill.. then take it for what it is then.. its a claim indeed.. i will not try to pass it as anything more... however SINCE IT IS TRUE im gonna say it.. and it can be up to those reading to either belive me or not given the evidence(or lack there of) presented before them.... so.. NOTE TO ALL.... my above claim that Bill is pointing out is a CLAIM. i will not go into any further detail then that. period..... and i am not trying to justify my previous statements with sharing that info publically... however because the PM is real i felt the need to share it.... lets think of it as an FYI for anyone interested believe me or dont. makes no difference..... hope that explaination is good enough Bill, if not maybe you can PM me... id hate to side track this thread..lol.. its stayed on point this whole time!! by the way, your correct about it being damaging to the drs i named.. as a result i removed the drs names from my "claim" since it is hearsay spoken in a PM.

BY THE WAY. I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT NOT WANTING TO GO TO THE BARBER.. I HAVE NOT BEEN IN ABOUT 3 YEARS.... I LEARNED IN TIME TO GIVE MYSELF A PRETTY MEAN HAIRCUT

i agree with Bill here... looking at your pic you MAY want to experiment with some of these.. personally i use dermmatch in my grafted front third.... like you my results are quite thin... and dermmatch is much easier to BLEND and fade into the hairline....like Bill says you really need practice at applying ANY OR THESE products because trust me to much can be quite obvious looking to others.... the more hair you have the better theses products work, also the longer your hair is the easier it is to make it look natural.. that does not mean you need LONG HAIR but id say ATLEAST an inch and a half in lenght..... I CANT STRESS ENOUGH, DO NOT USE TO MUCH, ONLY WHAT YOU NEED personally ive bought myself time using the stuff, until i can decide on my next option AND THE MESS IS MINIMAL.DERMMATCH STAYS ON WELL. I CANT SPEAK FOR THE OTHERS. all the best my friend

Ironic you take such a tone when your privately messaging me asking why *I* want to QUOTE/UNQUOTE "publically BEAT YOU UP ", when I merely ask you for evidence to support your conspiratorial tone towards ht's; even more ironic that your frustration arises from an inability to disprove that the vast majority of patients are left very happy & w/a much improved look; which consequently absolves you of your great dilemma--you could indeed have hair & not spend your youth as a bald prophet warning others against the perils of ht's. I guess you just like being miserable and victimizing yourself all the while being antagonistic to those who disagree w/your fictitious positions. below was word for word my PRIVATE message to RONJ.... since ron wants to pull one section of it, in an attenpt to make me look weak i will post it publically for you all to be the judge on what i said to ronJ in PRIVATE the other day: ================================================ ron, im happy to keep this going in public... but privately id like to ask you to re read this thread... i think that you will find that i did my best to disagree with you in an unhostile manner.. given your tone towards me in your last few posts it seems as though you might feel that i was rude or insulting to you.. if you got this impression from my original reply then im sorry. it was not my intention...... if you want to try to 'beat me up publically' then i will welcome that and try to answer any questions you have as best i can... but im not sure where the hostility is comming from, other than we have different opinions on things ==================================================== ron this PRIVATE message to you was nothing more than me wondering where your hostility was stemming from and attempting to tell you that if you felt i was aggressive towards you then to let you know that was never my intent..if you go back and look i STILL feel my original reply to your post was not one of anger or hate, but rather me not agreeing with you..... on a side note, i recieved a PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM A PATIENT OF ONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED DRS being discussed in this thread.. he not only agree with me, but seems to have first hand knowledge of unhappy patients from 2 of the named doctors... THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CANT EVEN BELIEVE IM TRYING TO PROVE AS IT SHOULD JUST BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL DRS HAVE UNSATISFIED PATIENTS, but apparently ron you really do feel that some of these drs just NEVER mess up....... i trust this patient who PMed me, hes been around the forum a while now and has proven himself to be honest IMO...... he asked that i not name him because he wants no part of this and i dont blame him.. i will not name him in a PM either so dont bother..this is NOT the first PM ive recieved of this kind, in my time on the forums. why do i tell you all this???? its simple. because it happened... so you all can take it, or leave it.YOU CAN BELIEVE ME OR THINK THAT IM MAKING IT UP.. regardless i will keep stating what i, personally, have learned about hair transplants.. both through my own experience, what ive seen and what many others say and have told me personally about their own HT experience .... again ill state, EVEN THE VERY BEST DRS.... DRS WHO HAVE PROVEN THE CAN PRODUCE VERY NICE RESULTS, HAVE SO-SO AT BEST RESULTS, UNSATISFIED, AND UNHAPPY PATIENTS, . and all one DOES by choosing "top" docs is give themselves the best chance at being happy with your decision.(atleast til their hairloss progresses further )..... common sense ron.. do i dare ask who YOUR dr was?? how happy are you with YOUR hair transplant?? you've had one right? or how you are so sure that these drs do nothing but make every life they come in contact with better??? nah.... i better not ask... i dont want any trouble AND RESULTS VARY

i would have to agree with you, for the most part... ron brought the THUNDER pretty hard, caught me with a right hook.... however i feel as if im being asked to prove that these drs are not elite in their field and that they are hardly better then a butcher and/or many of the "mill" drs.. something that i dont feel i ever really stated in this thread or any other for that matter.. what i did say was i could find unhappy patients of ANY dr out there...while this proved to be difficult when ron put me on the spot, i do believe its still quite possible to do, and i DO believe each and every one of these drs does infact have their share of dissatisfied patients. I HOPE THAT POINT IS NOT LOST, SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS NOT ABLE TO TURN INTO A HUMAN ARCHIVE IN ONE DAY. i remember reading a couple threads from my HLH days of a couple Rahal patients, one of which recieved almost no growth and was seeking repair pics were posted.. god, i cant tell you all how bad i wanted to find that thread and shove it right up rons ass.. but i couldnt find it for the life of me. and i dont know how to find the personal websites where his pics were. i still maintain that while i DO NOT trust this industy, and i strongly feel the large majority of the drs in this field blow, there are 4 MAYBE 5 that i would consider for myself. ive said that before..ive also said that even THEY have mishaps.. just not as often.. i know ive said this a thousand times.. "going to a 'top' doc only betters your chances of a successful HT"...... im sorry but anyone who thinks Rahal, or even H@W(as talented as they are) do not have 1.unhappy patients. 2.patients that did not yield great 3.patients who REGRET their decision, are damn fools IMO. ONLINE RESULTS ARE A TINY PORTION OF HAIR TRANSPLANT PATIENTS.. recap i DO believe a small handful of docs have the skill to produce a solid yield, and mostly natural looking result in many cases. i DO see patients being worked on who i feel should have been turned away and told why. i DO think Dr. Rahal, Feller, Hasson and wong have produced many very nice results i DO think these drs also produce many 'ok' results, many of which we dont see. and never hear of i DO think that these drs will ocassionally have a patient who doesnt grow well and its not always due to 'bad physiology' or because the patient smokes.. what sets the the select few apart is their rate of happy patients compared to the rest of the field IMO... but just because someone is good at a procedure does not mean just anyone should have it... id like to believe in HTs, my god id like to, but HTs will never be able to give me what i truly want. my hair back. frankly, without my fin/minox, my 2 thin ass transplants would look terrible.. i pray this forum and others like it are only needed for a few more years... i really hope SOMTHING comes along that can truly erase a suffering balding mans pain.. if i felt HTs could do it maybe id be encouraging guys too. if i didnt think there was still a large group of young guys making mistakes and trapping themselves in a world they may not be ready for, maybe id be encouraging guys too.

http://hair-restoration-info.c...566060861/m/76610894 here: cactus-- from what i understand UHT went back to feller for correction. they were able to reach an agreement. i dont know the details of their agreement or if any discounts were given to UHT.. perhaps someone else knows more details i must admit, a quick search for "poor" rahal results was quite difficult, i found a couple things but the cases im referring to did not include pics(other than the link i posted a few posts back) just unfavorable words about their experience. since the claims were not backed by any proof i dont think its a good idea to post them... i did find ALOT of rahal guys who got their NW2s beefed up heavily, and given dr rahals skill(which i really never questioned) most of them seem to end up satisfied with their outcome.. i do worry some may be looking for trouble if/when their hairloss progresses tho...reminds me of armani's old strip work results

i must agree with you ron.. wongs patient at 1 year looks very good. and no i did not skip it intentionally. just didnt see it... i still feel my above post has merit. i also note my feelings about H@W

ron, first thing first, id like for you to state where i said ANY of these results were horrible... the closest i came was giving my opinion that the feller patiet would look awkward to a typical person. infact, you should read my posts again, in which only thing i state is that the patient result section tells a different story of transplants then that of the DRs posted results..... my 3 cases are cases that you will not find in the drs sectionIMO..this is my evedence to support what i ACTUALLY DID SAY.... wong case: i personally believe that H@W top to bottom are the best clinic in the world based on what ive seen... this result is to illustrate that just because you choose H@W does not mean you will get a great result... im glad you make note of the fact all of his grafts were used up front, and when poeple view the link i hope they pay attention to what 3000+ grafts all up front were able to bring this guy.. it is IMO a more accutate portrayal of what can be achieve with 3000 grafts up front.... feller case: in the DRs section you will almost ALWAYS find fellers posted results to be those of patients with PLENTY of native.. i felt this was a good example or a REAL bald man in the hands of feller.. IMO, it tells a story not painted by feller in the drs section... frankly i would LOVE to see drs post cases like these.. let me say this, DREW35, taking the time to post honest pics for us, in indoor/outdoor typical, everyday conditions would speak 1000 times louder than watching jotronic post results every friday for us in controlled settings... my last post was to support MY argument that the drs section is a section meant to sell, usuing ideal cases, at IDEAL times in ones hairloss journy in the patients section, one can gain a much more accurate idea of ACTUAL transplant results. same goes for some of these guys personal web blogs i see... im not sure what more you want out of me ron, ive already admitted that it was a poor choice of words for me to say, i can find patients "worse off"..i said that ALL the mentioned drs are the "best" due to their ability to have unhappy patients FAR less often... but frankly i think even the drs themselves would agree that sometimes things just dont go well... sometimes the patients just dont grow well, and sometimes even if they do grow well the results just dont end up looking all that great..

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-l..._entry-id-20923.html this guy does not seem to like rahal very much

http://hair-restoration-info.c...=923108772#923108772 my guess is this rahal end result would not "wow" any of you.. its a shame he stopped posting, prob so thrilled and full of hair that he forgot all about us. as a result im left to speculate http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3081007343 i think i missed this result on 'H@W video fridays'... a LARGE difference in documentation you will get from H@W in the drs section http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3681055843 here is a bald man who went to feller, here is again another REAL result... i dont know about you guys, but i really dont see ANY OF these types of threads in the 'results sections posted by drs' i agree with you ronj that i made a mistake in saying i can find guys "worse off" especially because that is purely a matter of opinion. for instance i really dont like the above feller result,if i was a regular person who know nothing of HTs and i saw this guy on the street id prob be wondering WTF is up with his head, however the patient himself might view it differently, you might too ron.. i can say this, ive read and seen patients who themselves were less then thrilled from alot of 'top' docs, or docs on the list. ive read from guys who had hoped for more and when i see them again in the future ill try and make note of it to send to you.. again ill state that its because they have unhappy patients FAR less often that they are considered "the best" in the field.. but "nobody bats a thousand" on a side note, often patients are very hesitant to even name their docs. unsatisfied patients will often never post results because they were able to reach an agreement with the dr. in exchange for not going 'public' with their results... some do go public but are usually quickly forgotten about IMO.... just LOOK at how spex and Feller reacted when "unfortunateHT" went public with his dissatisfaction, or have you all forgotten already? why do you think fellers initial reaction was to show his displeasure that UHT went public FIRST??? ill tell you why, because Feller wanted the chance to "handle" the situation BEFORE it could get to our computers, and who could blame him?..

im curious to see how it turned out for this guy

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DDD--- i think many would appreciate seeing pics.. do you have a link to your previously posted pics?? thanks for taking the time to share your experience... what are your goals with the PRP? do you hope for regrowth or to help maintain only?? how long were you told before you would see the effects of the PRP treatment??

thanks kao-- im not doing anything surgically anytime soon.. im fortunate to have the options i have. guys like john36 are who we should feel for.. i dont hate my life, and while i know tuff unknown decisions await me im quite far from destroyed about it.. just trying to give an accurate description of my situaton, i hope im not comming off like to much of a 'victim' because im not a 'poor me' kinda guy, it is what it is, and everybody here has to deal with s*** in their lives.

dr feller, i appreciate you taking the time to address all these questions.. 600 bucks is quite 'do-able' IMO, i believe thats the cheepest ive seen this treatment offered... meaning you are taking the OPPOSITE approach to that of your FUE cost thank you.

space-- kaounis, pretty much hit it on the head a couple posts back... i feel as though the decision to get future procedures was already made for me the second i jumped into my first, uninformed, transplant.. right now im relying heavily on meds to hold my native hair..on top of that my grafted hairline is very low density and requires particular styling and well placed dermmatch to look ok... i do not want to be using dermmath my entire life but using more grafts up front to fix this, will mean less for the rest of my head.. right now im just hoping i can benefit from something like PRP, or something better comes along.. im 25. ten years from now ive no idea how my loss will progress. but as it does i WILL be left with a VERY VERY unnatural, and thin few thousand hairs up front. and have FEW options... shave and reveal a nasty scar and mild (but noticable) pitting/scarring up front,,, or i try to tap out whatever grafts i have left and get as much coverage as possible, all while praying i dont go full blown NW7, all while continuing to be a slave to my hairloss and meds the emp-- i dont know you, one thing i do know is ive never gone out of my way to say anything hurtful to you..

Ron, i understand what you are saying but let me just say a few things.. pick a dr and i can show you patients who were left worse off, i can show you an unhappy patient.. trust me ive done PLENTY of research..the difference is a dr like rahal, feller, hasson, wong, have these mishaps far, far less often..this is why they are "recommended", and probably rightfully so now ron, you point out that there are patients who document there own cases for us and clearly there is no cherry picking in those cases.. i fully agree with you.. but apparently we see different things in that section.... i see a HUGE difference in the two sections of this forum in which drs post results and the one in which patients post.... to me its almost like one (DRs) is doing their best to create this fantasy land by picking best case scenario and IDEAL cases, taking shots in IDEAL settings and then saying "hey, look what i can do for you"..... there is OBV cherry picking and selling going on in the 'dr results forum' but of course there would be thats its purpose.to HIGHLIGHT the DR.. now when i take a look at the patients results section, i see a much more(athough still watered down) REAL representation of hair transplants.. you will find the select group YOU are speaking of that got a very nice result, but you will also see that some results are not so great, you will see shots that a guy took in his car with the sun roof opened showing a more accurate idea of what MANY transplants ACTUALLY look like in everyday situations... you hear from un happy patients time to time..... with that being said, i think both sections serve a purpose, but personally i tend to pay more attention to the patient section.. ron ive looked at just about every posted result in both sections for 3 years now, as well as listened to what the patients themselves had to say about their experience, i doubt that MORE in depth research by my part would change my perspective, sadly, im not sure Bill spends as much time on these forums as i do..... and again, much of what i say goes back to my belief that people are viewing this forum all the time who know NOTHING of transplants but are looking into them... i truly hope these people stick around long enough to read the patient section heavily, rather than quickly being sold on what the drs try to pitch on a daily basis

i think this is a good question, ive though about this myself.. personally i have a small head which means i have less area to cover were i to go NW5-6, but with that i might have smaller donor also... so it may even out.. overall id say smaller the better, simply because all one can really hope for if they are bald is to create the ILLUSION of hair. i think a smaller head allows for a more natural looking conservative hairline, on top of less total ground that needs to be covered... a giant head with a conservative hairline makes it tougher to frame the face naturally... and im not sure the extra grafts capt. huge noggin has will compesate for the larger overall area

abe-- i have my pics posted on another forum i dont wanna post a link but lets just say the forum they are posted on rhymes with "hairlossSHMELP" .. if your interested, although none really show how bad my scar is... i will be posting pics here soon and will incude some of my scar.... i currently keep my back(just above my scar) grown out longer than the rest of the back and sides. than after some dermmatch and pressing my hair down with hair glue its not visible... however thats alot to have to do just to make it not visible every day.. hey glenn-- i feel ya man azn_guy... the scar really will only bother you if it stretches, or you like to keep your hair short, or if your unhappy with your work and/or your hairloss progresses to the point where your work does not look good...shaving is a much tougher option due to the ear to ear scar you will be asked about everywhere you go for the rest of your life

PGP--- is correct, what your not getting Bill is that my opinion has been formed by all sorts of research.. it is NOT simply because i was butchered. because I WAS NOT BUTCHERED... this is why i try not to get into my case when i speak because the way these forums go, all you guys will hear BOSEY and you all think.."OH!! thats why he feels the way he does"... and that is simply not the case.. i disagree that my posts are that of anger and rage, because i know where my words come from, they do not come from a dark, black, vengeful place.. im actually a very positive kind person... rather i would call my posts that of passion... Bill, there are many different groups of guys getting this procedure done and im sorry but while you put trust in your listed docs that they are weighing all future issues with some of these guys i do not see it that way always... and IMO i see certain guys that ought to be cautioned.. thats not to discredit what you and pat stand for, or what the two of you are about. i think the 2 of you, and this community ARE a strong + in the fight to hold drs accountable and better the quality of he work being done..UNDERSTAND THIS PLEASE.... im not trying to over warn or "balance" anything. even though i do feel this place is to friendly about what a transplant means..... all my posts are using real examples and the "scary" things i say are indeed happening even if you all dont want to believe it. take the UMAR thing for example... im dead on, i just am.. he should not be allowed to get off the hook, but he will. and people forget.. but if i call it out, which is what i try to do is call out bull s***, then all of a sudden im capt. negative, and im the one with some hidden agenda.... ill get dolled up and post some pics very soon, but it wont do much good as not a single one of you are considering my bosley dr and i would not recommend him... it will serve only for you all to see that my bosley work was not horrible...

i didnt miss, or ignore anything hdude, perhaps you ignored the part in my post where i pointed out it was your "last sentence" that i took issue with. not your whole post.. best of luck hdude, pick a top surgen and i GUARANTEE you will not be dissapointednot now, not ever, i guarantee it.

Bill-- i do state the benefits of this procedure, like i say i feel i KNOW when i see a guy who could benefit from this procedure and when i see a guy who is risking MUCH MORE... the problem is i see a large group of patients who are made to feel comfortable by MUCH of this community about their decision to do this.. "hdude46"'s last sentance in his post is a direct example of the thought process that i find can be harmful to MANY who are on here trying to learn facts about this procedure. hell hdude even thows out a PERSONAL GUARANTEE... geeze... you wanna know the truth of my situation Bill?? i screwed up.. i did not sign up for this life time commitment, i did not sign up for these risks and AS MY HAIRLOSS PROGRESSES, GIVEN MY GRAFTED THIN HAIRLINE, MIXED WITH MY AVALIABLE DONOR I WILL NOW BE FORCED TO UNDERGO FURTHER PROCEDURES NOT BY CHOICE BUT BECAUSE MY SITUATION WILL SLOWLY BECOME MORE AND MORE UNNATURAL looking.. i accept resposiblity for this, i dont dwell or play the victim, but you will have to forgive me if im less then impressed with HTs and what they can and cannot do... youll have to forgive me if im not sold after YEARS of seeing what can and does go wrong as well as right, and years of trying to plan my best course of action, knowing that my next choice will effect MY WHOLE LIFE one way or the other. so Bill, its not in my best intrest to live in a fantasy world in which a trick myself into believeing these "top" docs can give me a nice head of hair.. because they CANT... you call it "doom and gloom" which is fine, but i see guys who are headed for a future similar to me who chose very good docs..guys taking a different road then you took. hell if people pay attention they will see these guys come here from time to time and be brave enought to SHARE that they are there RIGHT NOW... but then i see some guys just block that out because they cant believe in that.its just to scary for them.... now look, cases are different, I KNOW THAT, AND IVE SAID MANY TIMES THERE ARE MANY GUYS WHO BENEFIT FROM THIS PROCEDURE, MY ISSUE IS NOT SAVING THEM. but id be lying to myself if i was to just pretend that i dont see ALOT of guys who are NOT ready to make this decision MAKE IT.. its happening ALL THE TIME in this forum and away from it aswell.. balody-- VERY NICE POST... you may have seen that from time to time i mention "reverse the curse" (RTC) in my posts.. i refer to his case as an example of a HT SUCCESS... what you described as your situation sounds very close to that of RTC's.. a bald man, who greatly improved his appearance, but is now a LESS bald man.....THIS IS WHAT(well executed)MULTIPLE TRANSPLANTS CAN DO FOR THE TYPICAL BALD MAN..... there is a belief that they can do more, it is facillitated by these cherrypicked results on guys with alot of native hair IMO... there is this idea that these guys fight is over now, or atleast it is for a long while.. but many of them continue to lose hair, many will be/are chasing this forever, but in the end we are all limited by the EXACT SAME LIMITATION YOU HAVE BALODY... the difference is these guys will have no choice but to keep going back for more... I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE LIKE BALODY, AND THANATOPSIS, AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE IN FOR AND READY FOR THE CHALLENGE... BUT I DO WHAT I DO BASED LARGELY ON THIS BELIEF........ 'THE MAJORITY OF LURKERS, AND YOUNG POSTERS DONT KNOW WHAT YOU LONGTIME POSTERS KNOW'... i wish to try to make things cristal clear for guys who want to know what this commitment is all about... you cannot deny the large group of people who reget their decisions YET WE DO... im not overly caution in my mind Bill, im QUITE ON POINT, for instance YOU.. you have had 4 HTs now, 4... you were blessed with good donor and your you will STILL have hair issues, you will STILL take your meds, you will STILL have the combback(just like nicnitro), and you will still be quite open to new treatment in the future because you will STILL not have a full head of hair after your loooong, expensive, and lucky journy. 10,000 grafts later.....years later your comming closer to what you want... are you listening young guys???.... bspot, your post is a good one, aside from your somewhat patronizing "aww shucks, swagger means well, and i know he WANTS to do good"... it comes off as if i dont know what im talking about a bit, but i do.... because Bspot, the very reasons you wont let your 20year old cousin go through with it to simply beef up his hairline is the very reason i say and do what i do...you know its not that simply bspot, yet he obv DOES NOT... hes not alone in his lack of knowledge. i hope your clinic takes the same approach and level of caring with 'joe' patient, as YOU do personally with your own blood..... god knows this DIRTY, GREEDY, SELFISH, indusrty could use a few clinics like that.......

lately ive been getting some negative feedback from some posters and its not all unwarranted.. so without hijacking a thread id like to spew a little bit and get some things off my chest... first off, im truly sorry if ive bummed guys out as thats what i try to do.... let me just tell you all what I SEE, because some of you dont think i should even be here wich i respect.. im gonna try to distance myself cause frankly im going crazy with what i see....... i see a whole bunch of guys who hurt just like i did, and do, they seen their hair falling out and its killing them.. hairloss is doing a number on them pychologically and they are desperate, then they see a billboard, or hear a radio ad, or a commercial that is "showing them there is a way out" telling them they can have their confidence back.... and ya know what? alot of these guys NEVER FIND A FORUM LIKE THIS, they just leap and its not til later they find out they are in for way more then they could have ever thought so for the lucky few who actually do find this place first, the LAST thing we need to do is tell them "hey just choose a top doc and it will all be wonderful" NOT A SINGLE HOMERUN, NOT A SINGLE "WOW" RESULT EVER CAME EASY... it came after MANY procedures and tens of thousands of dollars, down time, and YEARS of long planned out work. and LUCK.... NOW IM SORRY THAT SOME OF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THE ABOVE STATMENT IS TRUE...... every single one of you has not beaten hairloss, not a single one of you, not even those of you with very good results, and while YOU might be aware that that would be the case YOU are not everyone, and i can PROMISE there are guys who dont realize what they are commiting to.... they dont realize that their hair and haiross will ALWAYS BE WITH THEM, only now they have scarred up their heads and currently nothing can change that fact either... i feel like i KNOW when this procedure is the "right" move for a guy, and when its not.. i feel like I KNOW what should be expected, i feel like i KNOW when i see a guy how will have future issues. because sadly for me i pretty much live in this world...... and what i see is a BUNCH of young guys hoping and praying that they made the right decision, PRAYING their thin spot will thicken up even though they are at 13 months post op. i see guys who are DEPENDENT ON MEDS and ALWAYS looking to get more out of them, i see guys who just had their 4th WELL PLANNED procedure because they STILL have thinning and i see 20 somethings having their very 1st with many more comming down the road...... i see a business for of drs working on you guys, taking your money while YOU are the one at risk... and yes there are the all knowing all powerful TOP docs too.. you cant go over the risks enough, you just cant, you cant tell people enough that HTs are a LIFELONG COMMITMENT, and hairloss(as long as it effects you mentally) is a BATTLE YOUR NEVER NOT GOING TO BE FIGHTING... no matter how many surgeries you have had..... there is a luck 1% i will admit... but come one so many of us hang one that 1% because its all we need to jump in... we want to talk about how "advanced" we are now.. but were NOT.. if you go bald NOTHING currently will heal you..... improvements are the very best you can hope for but you will never be a guy who does not show signs of hairloss..... for this reason even a guy like Drew35 it better fit for a HT with all his risks simply because he is doing nothing but GAINING from this point on........ when you have native hair left to lose your in for it man, and ther is NO GOING BACK.... if drew35 posts honest pics alot of you guys will think wow hes thin still but hey he was really bald and "IM" not that bald so its ok.... but wha happens as you become drew, you will be left with thin results just like his... there is no way around it........ every day NEW YOUNG guys are finding this site, and ill be damned if im just gonna sit around and tell them that this is the best option for them and to "choose a top doc"..... my goal is to NOT have a bunch of guys out there is my same predicament... i dont want guys to have to worry about the same shit that i worry about every day.look at me, im a god damn wack job.... and i was not even CLOSE to disfigured, my work is managable. ive seen plenty of guys regret their decisions after choosing "top" docs...... ba humbug

lately ive been getting some negative feedback from some posters and its not all unwarranted.. so without hijacking a thread id like to spew a little bit and get some things off my chest... first off, im truly sorry if ive bummed guys out as thats what i try to do.... let me just tell you all what I SEE, because some of you dont think i should even be here wich i respect.. im gonna try to distance myself cause frankly im going crazy with what i see....... i see a whole bunch of guys who hurt just like i did, and do, they seen their hair falling out and its killing them.. hairloss is doing a number on them pychologically and they are desperate, then they see a billboard, or hear a radio ad, or a commercial that is "showing them there is a way out" telling them they can have their confidence back.... and ya know what? alot of these guys NEVER FIND A FORUM LIKE THIS, they just leap and its not til later they find out they are in for way more then they could have ever thought so for the lucky few who actually do find this place first, the LAST thing we need to do is tell them "hey just choose a top doc and it will all be wonderful" NOT A SINGLE HOMERUN, NOT A SINGLE "WOW" RESULT EVER CAME EASY... it came after MANY procedures and tens of thousands of dollars, down time, and YEARS of long planned out work. and LUCK.... NOW IM SORRY THAT SOME OF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THE ABOVE STATMENT IS TRUE...... every single one of you has not beaten hairloss, not a single one of you, not even those of you with very good results, and while YOU might be aware that that would be the case YOU are not everyone, and i can PROMISE there are guys who dont realize what they are commiting to.... they dont realize that their hair and haiross will ALWAYS BE WITH THEM, only now they have scarred up their heads and currently nothing can change that fact either... i feel like i KNOW when this procedure is the "right" move for a guy, and when its not.. i feel like I KNOW what should be expected, i feel like i KNOW when i see a guy how will have future issues. because sadly for me i pretty much live in this world...... and what i see is a BUNCH of young guys hoping and praying that they made the right decision, PRAYING their thin spot will thicken up even though they are at 13 months post op. i see guys who are DEPENDENT ON MEDS and ALWAYS looking to get more out of them, i see guys who just had their 4th WELL PLANNED procedure because they STILL have thinning and i see 20 somethings having their very 1st with many more comming down the road...... i see a business for of drs working on you guys, taking your money while YOU are the one at risk... and yes there are the all knowing all powerful TOP docs too.. you cant go over the risks enough, you just cant, you cant tell people enough that HTs are a LIFELONG COMMITMENT, and hairloss(as long as it effects you mentally) is a BATTLE YOUR NEVER NOT GOING TO BE FIGHTING... no matter how many surgeries you have had..... there is a luck 1% i will admit... but come one so many of us hang one that 1% because its all we need to jump in... we want to talk about how "advanced" we are now.. but were NOT.. if you go bald NOTHING currently will heal you..... improvements are the very best you can hope for but you will never be a guy who does not show signs of hairloss..... for this reason even a guy like Drew35 it better fit for a HT with all his risks simply because he is doing nothing but GAINING from this point on........ when you have native hair left to lose your in for it man, and ther is NO GOING BACK.... if drew35 posts honest pics alot of you guys will think wow hes thin still but hey he was really bald and "IM" not that bald so its ok.... but wha happens as you become drew, you will be left with thin results just like his... there is no way around it........ every day NEW YOUNG guys are finding this site, and ill be damned if im just gonna sit around and tell them that this is the best option for them and to "choose a top doc"..... my goal is to NOT have a bunch of guys out there is my same predicament... i dont want guys to have to worry about the same shit that i worry about every day.look at me, im a god damn wack job.... and i was not even CLOSE to disfigured, my work is managable. ive seen plenty of guys regret their decisions after choosing "top" docs...... ba humbug