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Topical finasteride 0.1% 0.5mg 3x/week. Tried Xyon topical dutasteride. Both give me side effects. Insomnia/nightmares, ED, loss of libido. I've tried Alfatradiol as well. No sexual sides but terrible nightmares. Planning to try Pyrilutamide soon. I know medication is recommended, especially for someone like me, but I just can't tolerate 5AR blockers at all.

Hello, I need advice on my pattern of loss and which doctor I should go for. Lighting is super strong. Sunlight+bright indoor light directly overhead. Front view: . Top view: Side view: Back view: Personally I feel I am diffuse NW5/6, heading towards a NW6/7. I am 27, with relatively stable hair loss since it started 5 yrs ago, although I have lost more ground recently. Family history is mixed bag. Dad, paternal uncle NW1/2. Paternal grandpa NW7. Maternal uncle diffuse like me, but has OKish hair at mid 40s. I am on Oral Minoxidil 5mg/day, which I increased from 2.5mg/day very recently. Also on LLLT+keto+microneedling. I cannot tolerate finasteride(or topical finasteride/dutasteride). My plan is to go for FUT only, since I really need the grafts longer term as I expect native to shed. Hopefully Verteportfin+FUE by then should work out. I am planning to consult few doctors for FUT. Dr. Wong - Close to me. Started consultation with rep. Quoted 4000-4500 grafts. Worried about recent misses. Dr. Bloxham - Honestly felt results weren't spectacular. But his methodology is good and he has good reputation for FUT. Dr Nakatsui - Close to me. Half the cost of Wong? Doc/techs trained by Dr. Wong. Less waiting times. Not many results posted by patients and results posted by him weren't spectacular. Dr. Laorwong - Much cheaper. Great results. Bit far. Not sure if he still does FUT. Dr Path - Great surgeon. Expensive(especially for Thailand). Bit far. Hattigen - About the same price as H&W, great clinic. Hard to get to for me, would need visas. Cost is a significant factor for me. I'm open to taking a flight to elsewhere vs having to pay higher costs if results don't directly justify it. But I don't mind spending more if really needed. But I'd rather save that money towards FUE later. What do you think? Is my donor OK enough? I feel it's thinning looking at the pics. I have extremely coarse/strong beard/body hair so those are options too. My plan is to not do much of crown, focus on front/mid, keep same hairline. Thank you.

Anything you apply on your scalp does go systemic. How much and how the body reacts to it depends on every individual. 17 alpha estradiol is a non feminizing, very weak estrogen. It does need to go systemic to some extent for it to work. From my understanding, large reason it works is because your body downregulates DHT, test with exogenous use. Bryan Johnson from Blueprint applies it transdermal because it's good for anti-aging.

Alfatradiol seems to be a decent option and seems like lot of people can tolerate it. However it gave me the most intense dreams ever and restless sleep even on 1.5-2ml/day. Was forced to discontinue after 4 days of use. No sexual sides whatsoever. If anything, my libido was high. I'm very sensitive to fin and get sexual sides. Currently on oral min 1.25mg 2x/day, LLLT 3x/week, shampoo with saw palmetto and ketocanazole everyday, microneedling and zero mino every night 1ml. Planning to add oral saw palmetto 2-3x/day. Slowly losing ground, guess I'll do a transplant at some point.

No. Just normal fin titrated down. Don't remember exact concentration, it was a while back. Removed There are few other interesting threads. Google and youll find them.

I placed an order on Amazon.de. Also sold on Ebay and by Anagenica. Sexual sides. With oral 1mg also had brain fog. If you get sides on oral you'll also get it on topical. Topical does go systemic with continued use and very low dose is enough to crash DHT by 70%. There are many posts on hairlosstalk about this. I also tried myself with low dose low frequency topical and eventually got sides. Just because I got sides doesn't mean you will get them however. Lot of people can handle fin just fine.

Look at mozzarella study. However there are people who haven't been able to replicate it and had to use lower doses to not have serum DHT inhibition. You can try liposomal or try super low dose. I personally am too sensitive to anti androgens/DHT inhibitors so wasn't worth it for me. Even topical saw palmetto gave me sides. There are other options like CB,RU, alfatradiol, fluridil that you can try. I'm planning to try alfatradiol next.

LLLT does work but needs 650 nm/5mw diodes. If you dig theough studies(most of which use above spec) the results are very impressive. Most of commercial devices on the market either have too few diodes, can't power them correctly or have cheaper LEDs to save costs. The ones that derms use work but are too expensive. There's a guy called overmachogrande(his website looks scammy lol) that has instructions on how to DIY your own for a cheap enough price(or you can get him to build one for you). I got him to build my custom helmet with the pattern of loss that I have. I'm using it since December(3 months now) and I would say I have marginal gains. You can expect as much as micro needling or little more. Fin or min would give you way more, but this is side effects free and I don't mind the 20 min 3 times/week time investment.

Mine looks same.

Now 320mg+pumpkin seed oil Planning to switch to life extension ultra prostate formula once I get it. I just started it a week back. Checkout thread on HLT and other thread here. People have seen meaningful measured DHT decrease with it so it should give some results

I bought 2x bottles of trichometto. Currently on oral saw palmetto 1x/day and oral minoxidil 1.25mg 2x/day. Will add 1ml topical trichometto 1x/day at night and see how it goes.

I tried both. What dose are you on and for how long? Are you on min as well? You can look at dut or combine with other meds like RU/pyri Don't get desperate. You are looking for something that you can continue for a very long time with few sides

I also had sides on microdosing topical fin as well. Not even mild ED, complete limp dick. I think I'm just super sensitive to these meds. I spoke to my parents, who are doctors. They told me it's not worth it to continue when you are having sides. These are endocrine disruptive medicines and it is possible that some people are just super sensitive to them. Sucks, but what can you do. I'm wondering if it's the estrogen causing sides due to aromatisation of free test. I'll look into a blood test if I get the time/referral for one. I was on topical min since 3 yrs and that has stabilised hair loss, albeit it's slowly getting worse. Switched to oral min(1.25mg 2x/day) a month back. Let's see if it helps. I may get on Saw Palmetto because I noticed I don't have side effects on it. Doing micro needling and keto shampoo as well. Not much more I can do.

Ended up getting sides(ED related) with the first application. Lasted about a week, getting back to normal after 7 days or so. I think my body just can't tolerate DHT inhibitors at all. Planning to give up Xyon for now.

For me tretinoin has made my face look way better. Fin should be enough, but it comes down to experimentation and what works for you. Like @Melvin- Moderatorsaid, some ppl need DUT, others can't tolerate fin(or dut) and need to look for weaker alternatives. Best treatment is one which works for you and most importantly you can stick to for the long time.

It's possible increased test is causing hair to fall out. Not sure how accurate that is, but MPMD did talk about that. DHT decrease can affect different people differently. There are people for whom small drop gives them lots of sides, while others can nuke their DHT and they still feel the same(or better). I guess you could see if fin works better for you?

I think healthy lifestyle, including lifting weights and eating right food should slow down progression of MPB compared to staying on the couch and eating junk. Better blood circulation, lower stress, lower cortisol are probably good for slowing down hair loss.

Yea, makes sense, thanks.

Yea, planning to do that. I would be happy with 2x/week honestly if I don't have any sides. Along with oral min should be ok to slow down or stop recession. Not particularly targetting regrowth. I'm curious if I can combine with other compounds with less side effects like stemoxydine/fluridil on other days.

I was saying the final result looks fine post repair.

Just got Xyon Topical Dut today. Packaging is super nice. Expiry on the package is 3/2024. Initially was thinking of getting DHT test done, but AFAIK it requires referral from a physician here in Canada so dropped the idea. I'm someone who had sides with both topical and oral finasteride, even with microdosing both. I'm very sensitive to finasteride and just can't tolerate it. I've not taken fin since last 3 years and have only been on minoxidil. Planning to start at 1x/week and see how it goes. May move to 2x/week at max if I can tolerate 1x/week for atleast some time. I've stopped microneedling as well because of fear that the dut may go more systemic.

I would instead switch to DUT and try a topical with different mechanism of action like RU or pyri. Ketocanazole shampoo may also be worth a try.

Looks fine. I feel people here have a tendency to obsess over small things.

Personally think there is no way you should even remotely consider a hair transplant looking at latest pics. Congratulations on growing all of it back.

Noticed the same. Running pace improved as well.