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Bisanga donor management awareness is great and something that separates the best doctors . He made a good point about donors which is relative to issues we have been seeing on this forum with donors lately . That is that  alot of doctors are not managing the extractions well whereby their taking all the mutigrafts for the sake of Good result  on the top the first time which is not only causing sparse donor appearance ,  but meaning the donor cannot be used effectively for  A second procedure which most people with hair loss will  most likely need . Also said that shock loss should recover in 3 months and that it’s rare for it to take up to 6 months to the contrary on what has been said here on this forum  . Found him incredibly engaging and smart on the podcast , the accent also helps lol. 

Dunno whats more impressive the hair or that tattoo removal lol

3 minutes ago, Legal action and refund said:

Not sure about HDC being IAHRS member ?

But HDC is a good clinic for sure regardless of whether they are in the IAHRS. 

Be careful with IAHRS membership. 

It doesn't mean much...

There are good and bad doctors in the IAHRS. 

For example Hakan Doganay is IAHRS member but he is a notorious for being a bad doctor. 

Same goes for guys like Tayfun Oguzoglu, James Harris etc...Not all IAHRS members are good options. 

Who are you taking legal action agaisnt lol

8 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

You seem to be very critical on peoples threads. There's no such thing as "lacking density" when the result hasn't even finished growing yet. I don't know if English is your second language. But I suggest you try and be mindful of what you write. 

Yes, English is my first language, I'm from London, England and there is a difference between being critical and being honest. The two threads which I know you are undoubtedly referring to are this and the eugenix one where I commented on the donor. Both ops on that thread shared my view, and as a result of my honesty, another two people having the same donor problems with eugenix felt comfortable to come forward and also share their worries, something if I were not honest they may have not done and hence be able to help placate their worries and give them advice.  

30 minutes ago, JoeMan said:

I thought I was clear by saying it's not a home run at this point, meaning I'm not judging it at the 6 month mark and it has time to improve. Just trying to provide an honest update for everyone and not try to artificially mask the result. I know I have many months to go and I am not trying to be negative about it. Honestly I'm fairly happy at this point. I rarely think about it anymore and most people compliment it that know I've had a HT. As far as most hairs sprouting, it's hard to say with my curly hair. At some point I might shave it down to see as I suspect a few areas are much less dense. The good thing is that the very front seems pretty strong so it kinda hides the thinner spots. Hopefully in a few months, it will be thicker. 

Yeh I’m be honest there looks like quite a few gaps lacking density, esp looking on the left side which I assume is your right side . It has definitely improved but I think your native hair is also longer now to shadow over it giving it more denser look. You would obviously know better as I’m just going by the pictures I see

47 minutes ago, BaldingEye said:

Wow!!! What a comeback from Diego Lopez. A piece of Art here.

For sure Dr Couto is among the best of all time.

how do you know couto did it lol, someone said the same about david silva, and another was like berbatov went zarev . Wheres the evidence lol. People making assumptions just based on nationaility is absurd

48 minutes ago, BaldingEye said:

 

Phenomenal content and interview. FUE is the way to go for sure, with the RIGHT doctor.

By the way ... Why Dr Hasson has not asked Dr Wong to operate on his hairline?

to busy making money 

1 hour ago, Botch me baby said:

Not the first case of overharvesting by Dr. Cortez....🤦‍♀️

 

I've seen to many on this forum last week, I don't know if its overharvesting or not using good dexterity when extracting. Like i seen a lot of eugenix ones when the pattern looks fine post op but a lot of shock loss has happened, which I think is down to extracting without much care or too quick. Is manual better than motorized at reducing shock loss you think

Hi how long after your consultation were you able to get a surgery date ?

3 hours ago, Botch me baby said:

I wouldn't pick neither US nor lowcost Turkish clinics. 

US surgeons are way too expensive while their results are average. 

On the other hand, Turkey is a gamble. Could be a fantastic result but could be a disaster too. 

I prefer Spain/Portugal/Belgium  

Freitas, Pinto, Ferreira , Couto, Ximena, Bisanga, Mwamba, Feriduni, Zarev, Pitella, Hattingen for FUT, HDC Cyprus, BHR Malaga

In Turkey Bicer,  Fuecapilar, Pekiner and maybe Demirsoy. 

That's it. 

But do your research. All clinics (even the best)  has subpar results so hair transplant is always a lottery no matter who you go to. 

 

 

I think hlc and keser are better than the clinics you mentioned for turkey, their best results are all better than the above mentioned esp for hairlines. 

2 hours ago, Ryan Daniel said:

Hi AJGG13,

did you have a previous procedure before? I can see your donor area extractions on the side.  I have a similar problem 

 

Im just over 2 months now. The situation can either improve or stay the same.  We will see after a proper haircut… if not… smp might end up being the answer for me

 

sorry to see this man, I don't want to derail ops thread but I saw your donor pre surgery and it looked solid tbh, so to see this must be quite worrying. Whether its shock loss or overharvesting, it is obvious the way the extractions are being done is causing this for a lot of eugenix patients. Do they have manual or motorized extraction ?

1 hour ago, Botch me baby said:

Great question bro ! 

Actually everyone always refers to the famous 2006 study from Bernstein & Rassman which concluded that hair grafts should be permanent after 9 days no matter if you pull on with or without a scab attached to it. 

Because the dermal papilla that produces the hair follicle should be fully embedded into the epidermis by this time.

So  IF your surgery has been performed correctly and IF your follicles made it then even scalp waxing should not dislodge anything (theoretically). 

However everyone is different. Our bodies heal and react differently. You never know  what is  going to be the survival rate of your surgery. 

Grafts could have been transected or crushed to begin with or simply they do not survive the shock of surgery. Or they could have gotten stuck into the scabbing or cut off from blood supply for too long...

The fact that you see hairs with scabs falling out is not a reliable indicator of anything. 

Also some people shed as early as 6-7 days (hair shafts + scabs attached to them) and do get a great result whereas others are able to remove the scabs between the 10th and 14th day without removing the hairs yet they get poor growth later on. 

You never know. It's a lottery. But what we know for sure is that the 6-month mark NEVER lies. If it looks bad at 6 months, it may improve marginally but don't expect a miracle coming out of nowhere. 

So to summarize, the fact that you see a scab coming off with hairs doesn't mean much. 

Your surgeon will always tell you "don't worry it's normal" but the reality is only time can tell. 

You got botched didn't you, in all seriousness be good to hear your story, the charade you put on is funny and that lol but you got me intrigued into what your story really is. 

25 minutes ago, Prof101 said:

I was just lucky (if it turns out well). Managed to get a consult within 3 months and surgery date within 5 months ... 

frankly I am worried, even if he s a top doc 

 

What date you send your enquiry to them, that’s unheard of with couto.

17 minutes ago, bbq111 said:

 

I rather be positive for ajgg13. I'm not saying it can't be overharvesting.  People's donors recover at different rates and no 2 cases are the same. Let's see how things go and be encouraging. If things don't turn out well then hopefully the clinic can help rectify it down the road. 

Melvin's shock loss thread for reference: https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/56394-my-donor-shock-loss-journey/

I'm just being honest and op shares my sentiment, but yes you have to wait and see. But I'm just going by his post-op pics where the extractions were not spread out across the whole donor in particular the back.  And it's now like the fifth case on this forum I've seen issues with the donor post-op. Im not hating on eugenix, op looks like he going to get a good result on top, but donor management is something that seems to lack consistency there, which is most likely due to different techs being used. If this was a hair mill in turkey we would rightfully start to question so eugenix should be no different.

56 minutes ago, bbq111 said:

I wouldn't call it overharvested at this point. It could also be shock loss. Let's see what happens in the coming months. Wishing you the best and a fantastic result. 

If it was shock loss you would see some recovery at the four-month point, in fact you should see it come back to full within three usually, it's something that ive seen now on quite a few cases from eugenix on this forum. 

The donor looks like it’s over harvested on one side in my opinion 

17 minutes ago, Botch me baby said:

Couto is definitely in the discussion for GOAT. 

Why do you change your username All the time 

1 hour ago, Nurses take over said:

Of course there are better options than Turkey but they are more expensive. 

Pinto, Bisanga, Freitas, Couto, Feriduni, Mwamba, Ferreira, Ximena, Muresanu Hattingen, HDC Cyprus, BHR Malaga/Athens 

who is ximena keep seeing this name pop up

Lmao lol so you have had a hair transplant from pinto, hlc, dr James Harris and now this guy . Your the biggest troll ever lol. You were responsible for trump winning and brexit wernt you lol

23 hours ago, Nurses take over said:

Freitas is definitely in the discussion for GOAT. 

If Putin had a gun to your head would you choose him or bisanga

1 hour ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Damn looks good man. I'm going in for 1st HT in November and getting 2500 hairline 1500 crown and I believe I am capped at 4000 grafts. I'm worried I won't get results like your's because will only be able to do 1500 on crown

What clinic you going to

9 minutes ago, Nurses take over said:

Hello, 

Several things here 

Stay away from Turkey. Please do not become one of those thousands of  guys who get botched and destroyed each year in Turkey. 

Turkey is the land of BOTCH and your hairloss is already significant. I see a Norwood 4-5 s pattern slowly developping there. Your hair caliber seems to be rather on the thinner side and of course your donor supply is limited. In other words, you should avoid making mistakes in the first place. 

99% of clinics in Turkey are total CRAP. They'll just take your money and botch you. And if you think you can also "just shave it bro" later down the road in case of unsucessful surgery then you might discover thousands odd looking white little scars from FUE...Once you're cut you're cut.  There is no coming back. There are a few okay doctors in Turkey especially Dr. Bicer and perhaps Dr. Keser, Dr. Pekiner, Dr. Gur, Dr. Demirsoy and Dr. Turan. Some of them are focused on only one patient par day and are capable of producing okay results.  However they might not be the best at treating diffuse pattern specifiacally. Trust me hair transplants are a huge deal. You wanna try to get this crap right from the first time...

I believe even the better turkish clinics are not the best in Europe. There are better options in terms of quality and consistency in Belgium, Portugal and Spain. 

Of course you wanna stay away from technician-driven clinics aka  "hairmills" such as  Cosmedica, Ilker Apaydin, SmileHair, Karadeniz, Hair of Istanbul, AsliTarcan, Hakan Doganay, Caymaz, Musbeh, EsteNove, Elithair, Dr. Cinik, Dr. Serkan etc...

You may get an excellent result but you may also a a really bad and irreversible one. Hairmills are a gamble.

So are reputable doctors but to a much lesser degree. No surgery is guaranteed. 

This is something to be aware of before mowing forward. Sometimes they hit fantastic results. Sometimes they screw you for life. 

Also even if you to a good doctor a hair transplant will never look the same as your hair when your were 18. Remember a hair transplant is only 50% of your original hair  per cm2 so it will require touch-ups, a 2nd procedure. It's a long process and it takes years and several surgeries. 

In your case I think it would take at least 2. Possibly 3 if you are looking for perfection. 

I suggest you take a look at the youtuber Hairline Confessions. It's an interesting case because he went to a notorious hairmill and got lucky and unlucky the same time. He got a fantastic result on the recipient area but got a terribly overharvested donor...

Some guys get disaster results everywhere and then have pay 10 000 dollars for a repair surgery... 

 Before jumping into surgery I would rather throw a "kitchen sink" and consider Dutasteride, oral minoxidil + topical anti androgens and microneedling. Chances are you might avoid surgery if you are lucky enough. Some  diffuse thinners (not all) get enough reversal of miniaturization to the point that they have sufficient coverage to avoid surgery. Surgery is always LAST RESORT... It's gamble no matter who you go to. And you have a limited donor supply to use in your lifetime. Even the top recommended doctors have failed cases on this forum so take your time. Research, spend time on this forum, browse the whole internet, look on russian, german, italian, spanish,  french a hairloss  forums, hairloss experiences, hairlosstalk hairloss conquerors on FB, reddit, look for bad results deliberately, realself etc... Be like a CIA agent.

Also consider visiting a very good trichologist to rule out any potential rare condition such as scarring alopecia or lichen that may sabotage the result of your surgery. 

So to summarize, 

1. Get on a stronger pharmaceutical stack and give it 6 months. 

2. Research, research, research, 

3. Stay away from hairmills and manage your expectations. This is an ultramarathon unfortuanately...

The best options in Europe are 

Freitas, Pinto, Muresanu, Couto, Bisanga, Ferreira, Ximena, Mwamba, Maras 

 

Honeslty who are you in all seriousness , you written a whole thesis lol.

Hlc donor extractions always are very good , have not seen a over harvested donor from them. If a lot of those grafts survive you going to have some serious density 

19 minutes ago, Jon2345 said:

 

People disclose conflicts of interest all the time. Unless I am mistaken, this isn't Melvin's main job, info of his salary from his main job doesn't benefit anybody.

Some research groups get grants from institutions if they're studying that institutions' products. By your logic they would be 'disclosing their salary' if they mentioned what the grant was.

Another analogy is Robinhood's relationship with Citadel during the whole game stop stuff. Would some people have appreciated if they gave more detailed on their relationship? Sure. Do they have a right to keep that information private, yes.

Honestly, the grant is a stronger analogy. Melvin is getting paid by the sponsors, but Melvin also asserts his right to independence. But there interest of transparency in the site's own goals to disclose that information.

I can give more examples of conflicts of interest. But at the end of the day, I defend his right to keep the information private. This is private operation. Melvin isn't a congressperson nor is hairrestorationnetwork a federal agency. He has the right to keep anything he wants private. And as I mentioned before, this is doubly so for a service that he's giving away for free.

Like I mentioned before, if a grant I took was a conflict of interest in a service I offered, I would disclose it, but only because of my own goals for the service, not because you had a right to it.

I feel that I am just arguing semantics at this point, since as far as I can tell, every person here is in agreement that Melvin has a right to keep anything he wants private.

 

The thing is this service is completely  free , you don’t pay a subscription . You have free information accessible to you, the content is good so why you so hung up on how much he gets paid .  

There a reason he’s expensive , you get what you pay for. Always consistent results from this guy.