shiba1985

Cradles your neck minimizing the risk of rolling over, less pressure on donor area, and if crown transplanted, than may provide some barrier between crown and the conventional pillow, or recliner head. 

11 hours ago, lakes9925 said:

Makes you realize how weak some of renown doctors we have in the states really are.

 

Quality > Quantity any day. 

Long term natural results and planning > short term WOW results any day. 

Just saying.

Hard to say anything about the donor area from that type of photo and that type of hair length. Bosley will probably not relay to your surgeon, but they may give you a printout of their dermascopy findings and you can email that to your surgeon of choice. 

Alternatively take a much better donor area pic i.e. have someone else take it. Wet the hair to be able to see down to the root if needed. 

please dont make the mistake of getting a strip for 1200 grafts. While your donor are was poorly managed by the first surgeon, it is no where bad enough that you cant get 2000 grafts from it let alone 1200.

Once you get a strip you will have a linear scar, and say good bye to the tight fades on the side and back.

get a few other opinions from reputable surgeons

it looks similar to a telogen effluvium type of look. any crazy diets, stressors in your life ? are you on topical minoxidil. 

2 hours ago, mister_25 said:

Going a little bit off topic here. Reading this thread gave me a interesting thought, when does more doctor involvement become too much?

Usually online when researching a common piece of advice you will find is “ go to a clinic/surgeon with a higher level of doctor involvement” which in on its own is good advice but if someone is really desperate and latching on to key factors and overused advice to maximise the best chance of success for a hair transplant. They might focus on that too much and won’t want technicians AT ALL.

In my opinion a healthy and the ideal level of doctor involvement is Technicians only doing one labor intensive step of the procedure (either implanting or extraction) whilst the surgeon does the consultation, planning, design and incision always and does the other labor intensive task that’s not been delegated to technicians. 

The idea is to maximise the efficiency of every person in a team, and if one person does all the work, that person will gradually get more exhausted throughout the procedure which overall isn’t something that you would want to hear your surgeon say during your procedure.

I feel like the doctor only plan is the worse deal/plan if your goal is to get the most hair on your head.

I think your opinion maybe biased by the fact you chose a surgeon that relies heavily on Techs. 

The biggest benefit of a doctor only, or doctor mainly involvement is quality control. If you go to a doctor only or doctor mainly, you know the results you are going to be getting. they are consistent. Good, bad and ugly. YThey are the face of the clinic and responsible for the surgical results. 

With tech involvement you dont know what you are getting. All clinics say their techs have been with them for a long time and are highly skilled. there is no way for you to verify this. What if the day of your surgery the best tech got sick and they called in a per diem help. you will never know. Even the best clinics have staff turnover and there are new techs coming in. Is the tech going to care if they are jamming the follicles in during placement or transecting the follicle during extraction? or do you think he/she will think more along the lines, ok I have to be out of here by 4 pm. how do i finish this by 4 pm?  because of this there is more variation in the quality of the results that are put out. 

did he give you a graft breakdown post operatively? how many 1,2,3 FUs were there?

i understand you have had a hair transplant and are anxious about all the ways you can possibly mess up post op, but rest assured it takes a lot to mess up and dislodge a grafts. If you hit your head hard on to a cupboard or getting into the car thats the amount of force that will disoldge a graft. 

If you use basic common sense your hair follicles are not just going to jump out of the scalp on their own, not even if you touch them, or walk in the wind or what have you.

Relax man.

A doctor has a right to set whatever price he wants and a patient has a right to choose whatever he will or wont pay. Reading in between the lines, it seems the reason for such a high price is to discourage anyone from booking and asking for Bisanga only, and forcing patients to choose the Bisanga+kostis option. 

Go with Zarev book off schedule for 9 euros or wait 12-18 months. This is a permanent surgery, no point in rushing

Regenra Activa does have promising results. The problem is no one knows the permanence of the results - 6 months? 12 months? 24 months?. You also have to have three 4 mm biopsy punches to make the injecting progenitor cells. So basically you are giving up some of your existing donor hair in return to rejuvenate the miniaturized hair. IS this trade off a good long term decision. Only time will tell. 

your results are as good as it can get for a hair transplantation. you can only make this worse by going to anyone else. i would just get on the wait list with heitmann. can you PM me his contact information if you have it?

On 3/1/2023 at 2:31 PM, jay80 said:

Guess everyone has their kryptonite 

its not that elite surgeons cant do them, it is that they know how ridiculous those temples will look in 5 years when you continue to have progressive hairloss. There is a difference. 

Dr Diep made a whole empire out of posting videos in his darkly lit office. So much for “clinic” supplied photos.

I can assure you, even at the best clinics, much less turkey, maybe 20% or less patients return for the 12 month visit. This is not a heart valve replacement surgery where you have to monitor. If everyone is happy usually patients go about their life. 

43 minutes ago, NegativeNorwood said:

 

 

The before and inmediate post op pictures taken at the clinic are great.

The 13 months after posted by the patient, not so much. Doesn't show the hair slicked back. In fact, he covered his hairline with the hair combed that way:

This is a great pic, but...he took at at 6 months, and as you know, hair transplants need around 12-15 months for the final result. So still not very useful:

 

Not trying to come across as a hater or anything like that, in fact I think he would benefit a lot from taking the after pictures himself, like most reputable clinics do (ie: Feriduni, Konior, Mwamba, Zarev, etc).

But as said earlier, final result pics are not good enough, and that's not the fault of the patient, because he doesn't even need to post anything. That should be Pekiner's duty, like he did with the before and inmediate post op pictures (which are perfect).

Assuming large portion of his patients are based internationally, and supposedly people that want to pay a lower cost, you expect them to spend $1k+ dollars to go back to turkey at 12 months just so they can have the clinic take pictures? Come on man be real.   
 

you keep saying you are not a hater, but the only person you are fooling is yourself. 
 

On 3/16/2023 at 6:46 AM, NegativeNorwood said:

Let me get this straight:

- You'll fly to Turkey with 10k euros at hand (as if no one could rob you or you couldn't lose your luggage with your money there).

- Pekiner would have to pay 10% taxes if you pay him via debit card or bank transfer (very low, I'm not pro taxes but still 10% is quite fair. IE: Andorra is a tax haven and has 10% taxes). Tax haven tier low taxes are still not enough for him, so you have to take this huge risk of carrying large amounts of money instead of paying via bank transfer like any normal person would.

- He doesn't have proper after pictures of his work, just patient posted selfies and is not recommended here. I would understand the struggle if he had high resolution pictures taken with a pro camera showing Konior tier results at the 3€ per graft rate he charges, but not with useless low resolution, lens distorted patient posted selfies taken with phones.

Idk man, sounds risky af. Best luck.

 

I can understand your skepticism if there were  one or two results. but he literally has a large number of results posted by patients. There are post op photos as well. The reason he doesnt post on the board is cause he or his clinic is banned  or maybe there are some other forces at play behind the scenes that we dont know about. 

But to say only clinic posted results are valid is ludacris. If the results are only clinic posted, then people say there are not enough patient results. If there are a lot of patient results, then people like you say there are not enough clinic photos. make up your mind lol

22 minutes ago, johnto said:

Question for anyone who has had a transplant with Zarev or with a clinic overseas.   How is the infection control at his office? Are things like  implanter pens reused on multiple patients ?  What about sterilization techniques? This has always been a worry of mine on getting a hair transplant in an area other than North America.  

this is a question you would have to ask him directly. I doubt the average patient understands or will be able to witness the sterilization of equipment which happens AFTER the surgery is over. 

Having said that, the impression I get is it is unlikely that they skimp on this. But you are correct outside of NA, EU things are much less regulated. I remember being a "3rd world country" where dentists were working without gloves and phlebotomies were being performed without gloves. Something that you would not see in USA

I don’t see any problem. Your front still has some hair coverage (albeit miniaturized hair) so he is protecting these and back is more bald so he has placed more grafts there.

unlike this forum, which has an actual owner, who is the Dr Diep representative going to take legal action against for the subreddit posts? the mods and the posters of the subreddit I assume are anonymous. And suing Reddit would be expensive and unrealistic. 

Since you harp so heavily on transparency, how about including the medications (hairloss) your patients are on. It is clear from multiple results that a patient who starts finasteride/minox pre or perioperatively will have results that are much more impressive than a patient not on any medications, everything else being equal. 

Insane results

R u from Congo? Otherwise it would be very unusual to go deep into the country just to get a hair transplant as opposed to Belgium. 
 

nothing against Congo, woild love to visit but not sure if I know enough bout it to trust the healthcare system

I am not for or against eugenix. I think they do ok work for the model they have established. Multiple surgeries driven by junior surgeons and techs. 
 

but your results are good,

Are they perfect no. But even the best in the world that will cost 6-7x what you paid at eugenix get perfect results in one attempt. There is always fine tuning needed.

Just now, shiba1985 said:

Prp is infinitely more expensive than finasteride and no where as effective as finasteride. So not sure the point you are making.

1 session of prp = life time supply of finasteride tablets if based on cost solely

28 minutes ago, Bucky O Hair said:

Well, if (for whatever reason) a person cannot take Finasteride then you could reallocate those costs toward PRP...which would then be a wash in terms of costs.  

Prp is infinitely more expensive than finasteride and no where as effective as finasteride. So not sure the point you are making.