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7 hours ago, ICFUE2323 said:

"... are not as naive." Are you calling me naive?

 

I guess, I am . But I was more pointing out the flaws in their approach.

not everyone needs or wants perfection though. Value and cost is important for a lot of people so at the end of the day it’s an individual decision. 
 

I was mainly pointing out that sometimes the added quality comes at an added cost. At the price point you mentioned it’s not possible. 

Does he give you a breakdown of the grafts? I.e. how many singles, doubles, triples etc.?

what type of medical regiment does he want you to take and how pushy is he regarding this?  

around 35 seconds in the video. look at the amount of grafts on her hands. She is leaving them out to dessicate for minutes. You are also able to see the extraction holes in that clip. They are huge.  But hey if you stuff the scalp with grafts and even if 70% grow it will look great for 2 years. After which patient will be SOL. 

clinics like this are for people that do not know anything about the nuances of hair transplant and just look at value, trusting the medical system thinking hair transplant is just like any other medical procedure.  Most members here are not as naive. 

While price does not always equal quality, you need to be skeptical of ridiculous prices like this. If you are getting a bar of gold SIGNIFICANTLY below the market price there may be something off. 
While hair transplant itself is not actually commodity like gold it still has a price point under which it is not possible to make money given labor and supply cost. So what clinics will do? cut corners. Can you cut corners and still have a good result. Yes possible for 1-2 years. Can you cut corners and have lifetime good results with high refinement and naturalness.. highly unlikely. 

You can buy a shirt at walmart or you can buy a shirt at Neiman marcus. You can wear both shirts and they will both be functional but one will look better and last longer. 

5 hours ago, Ajamilo said:

I would easily choose Keser over Freitas. 
the hairline results of Keser I have looked looks really good and natural compare to some of the results of Freitas that is pluggy and straight. 

why would you choose Freitas for hairline?

This. Correct. the way de freitas does his hairline design sometimes it appears pluggy and see through. I dont know if its the rows that gives this appearance, the use of implanters or just patient characteristics

24 minutes ago, jjalay said:

If you have a double graft for example and the one follicle is in telogen phase and the other follicle in anagen phase the only way to see this is with microscopes, and i have seen such an example myself. How is this doctor going to see this without microscopes?

Both Pekiner and Heitmann are using microscopes, Heitmann has a technisian to examine and sorten the grafts.

Ask Keser. He will tell you. Just so you know, telogen by definition is hair that is fallen out or about to fall out. If it has fallen out there is nothing to see there. EVEN under 100x magnifcation that telogen hair will not be "visible" cause it is not there. It will only be realized 2 years later when it grows back in. what you are stating are the hairs that are about to fall out. 
Having a few percent of doubles in your hairline will not make or break your hair transplant result. having an hourly technician take a short cut will. (not saying every tech will do it just a possiblity). 

Heitman may have changed this recently. for the longest time he did everything himself. He is doing slightly bigger cases now so it is possible he has hired techs to sort the grafts now. 

Like i said i dont know anyone of these guys personally. but they are all quality.

I do not know freitas. he maybe quality too. I am just saying that the statement "keser does not use microscope dont go to him" is not a valid statement. 

12 minutes ago, jjalay said:

Well, you know what they say if you ask you are an idiot for 1 minute, if you dont ask you are an idiot for a lifetime. I would not only ask the doctor but a would ask to meet with the technisians that are going to be onmy surgery and ask them too about their experience with hairtransplant and for how long they have been working with this doctor.

yes but what i am saying is most doctors can tell you an answer you will never be able to verify. 99% of the respected clinics if you tell them hey i want to talk to your technicians and verify their experience will show you the door. In theory what you are saying is good in reality it is unlikely you will be able to execute it. 

20 minutes ago, jjalay said:

This could not be more far away from the turth. Hairtransplant is a team effort and the best doctors in the world will tell you that they have technisians working with them for more than a decade to make sure that their stuff is properly educated and they know what they are doing. Heitmann also has technisians to examine and sorten the grafts under microscope same as Pekiner.

Will these best doctors also disclose to you when their well trained technician quits and they are training a brand new technician on "you"? will they risk losing revenue by disclosing that fact? just wondering what your logic tells you?  Do you believe in a team that uses 5 plus technicians to run the operation all 5 are "well trained" working there for "ten plus years"

12 minutes ago, jjalay said:

This could not be more far away from the turth. Hairtransplant is a team effort and the best doctors in the world will tell you that they have technisians working with them for more than a decade to make sure that their stuff is properly educated and they know what they are doing. Heitmann also has technisians to examine and sorten the grafts under microscope same as Pekiner.

Heitman does not have technicians. He does not have Traditional microscopes. Work is fantastic. 

pekinner has technicians. work is fantastic

Keser has technicians. work is fantastic

keser will inform you if you ask him how he makes sures there are singles in the hairline. You are associating not having a microscope with not being able to confirm singles in the hairline. 

I absolutely do not work for either of those three. I just know about the industry at a level that forum patients usually cannot or would not be able to know. 

I have no bone in the fight other than trying to rid of incorrect facts. you can go to defritas or keser whatever the patient pleases. 

Another thing that gets paraded around a lot on this forum is hair transplant is a team effort. You need a team to do it well. Usually these type of statements are propped up by tech reliant clinics that are approved physicians on this forum. Clinics where doctors are home and checking on the final result through tech sent photos... And well this forum has a vested interest in it.

but calling out a spade as a spade is also important if this forum wants to achieve longevity otherwise within 5 years it will be in the dark dungeons of googles obsolete websites. 

Doctors like heitman, keser, pekinner clearly disprove that statement. At the end of the day the system the doctor sets up needs to work for THAT clinic and the patient needs to have trust in the doctor he chooses. OFten talking and having a consult once you narrow down the to a few choices will help you realize who you think is the right fit for you.

11 minutes ago, jjalay said:

Keser doesnt use microscopes so i dont know how he can examine and dissect graft to create more singles for the jairline if needed. Between those two i would definitely choose de freitas.

i find it comical when patients who have no idea about the surgical procedures make blanket statements like this. Keser has his system that he will not share with anyone cause it is his system. Zarev does not use microscopes or loupes yet people here parade him around like he is the next coming of Christ. Every doctor has his system that they may or may not share with other patients or doctors. This is a very cut throat industry.  There is no doubt in my mind Keser deals with his patients at the highest ethics and integrity. 

I urge you to stop bulleting around points pressed on by mediocre docs as you need this or you need that. 

I know how Keser does what he does, it is not my place to say it. All i can say is a microscope is not needed for the way he runs things. He may even have it and just not use it. 

For me it would be Keser hands down. While there are exceptions in most cases, a physician handling everything from start to finish will have more consistent results. Keser also does what defreitas does with 30% less grafts. 

Sean, 

Your focus should not be on "how many grafts were implanted" but on how good your results will be. Your transplant  photos (from what I can tell) actually looks decent and the doctor did a decent job. 

I know most clinics charge by the grafts, and as a patient you want to make sure "you get what you paid for" so the clinics should be more transparent but true 5200 pure follicular units would butcher your donor area at your age, and you look very young. 

In summary: no it does not look like true 5200 follicular units, but it also does not matter, and to be honest you would not want to have a true 5200 follicular unit transplanted at your age. 

6 hours ago, HairLossHero said:

Nice drawing and good info.

Surgeons say this is a good referring point to place the hairline, but it is not a hard and fast rule. You still have to use your judgement, experience and knowledge to adjust based on variety of factors. 

This is basically what he is trying to say. 

2 hours ago, EvansLawrence said:

No man. Let him decide what something as personal as a dissapointment is. Doesnt matter if its about someone else's life 😂😂

 

Disappointment or Not with a  surgery and your choices are up to you and yours alone. 

Failure, however is objective and just cause someone is disappointed with a procedure does not automatically equals failure. 

There is no harm in starting minoxidil. it can only help. 

3 hours ago, Shadman said:

This is actually between Indian and Canadian govt so I don't know how Eugenix can help you to get your visa. I hope everything gets sorted asap.

When is your procedure ? 

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I think all results look good 👍🏽. Instagram checks out well.

Be weary of doctors that just tell you what you want to hear instead of speaking the truth due to fear of losing patients to competitors. 

33 minutes ago, superwario said:

 

I know some of you have been asking about additional photos. Here is one I took today 2 hours after a shower, so completely dry. Hair is longer now so able to cover some of the thinning, but definitely regressing a lot from peak in my opinion. 

 

Anyone have similar experience? I am really worried.

I am worried something else is going on outside of male pattern baldness. this is really odd to look so good to this bald again. Iron deficiency? Vit D deficiency? hormonal issue? telogen effluvium? any other meds? environmental? could be so much but this is very odd. i think

On 9/5/2023 at 6:54 PM, Gatsby said:

Thanks Melvin. Looking back it’s a reminder of how grateful I am. I wouldn’t have even attempted this without yourself, this community and Eugenix. I also never dreamed I would have hair again, let alone the disappearance of scars in this lifetime. 🙏

On 9/13/2023 at 9:40 AM, OliverAtom said:

Wow!!! Speechless. Incredible transformation 🤩

Truly remarkable. Well done Dr Sethi. 

At 20 you are considered an independent adult and allowed to make your own decisions. If you tell them you agree to sign an informed consent regarding risks of surgery at your age, and you comprehend that long term pattern is impossible to predict but you are willing to take that risk, then yes you will be able to get a reputable doctor to perform surgery. 

53 minutes ago, Tiger2050 said:

I think Melvin and Shiba made some great points. The poor growth is unlikely due to a botched procedure by Dr. Hasson and is more likely attributable to an underlying health condition or simply slow growth. I would recommend waiting a few more months and working with Dr. Hasson to figure out what went wrong. I don’t think switching surgeons is going to help.

I am not saying that at all. 

34 minutes ago, mister_25 said:

I do not think getting a test procedure of 300-500 grafts is a option, the surgeons I am interested in charge per session so I would be paying something like 60$ per graft. At the end of the day, I am 23 years old with the resources of a 23 year old. What your asking is unreasonable and will never be achievable for me.

I keep hearing the “you did everything right and as a patient made a fully informed and correct decision” arguement here, but what does that mean for my case exactly? That no matter what and that even if I selected any other surgeon that my results were destined to be poor? Is that what is being implied here?

To be honest, this comment and many others like it just make me feel worse about myself. I honestly feel like I could of gotten a similar result for a fraction of the price at a hairmill, but I paid a premium for a feeling of security in my choice which completely backfired.

A small update here, I had to attend a sudden funeral and a hat wasn’t a option, I also didn’t have fibres yet. I received two comments from people that haven’t seen me in years that something was wrong with my head. Very embarrassed and ashamed of myself.

I am also losing confidence in the advice/input I am receiving here and from elsewhere. Here are the direct contradictions that I will point out.

1. Mixed comments on the state of my donor, I have been told by one group of people that my donor hair is fantastic, above average and will accomodate all my needs and future loss. On the other hand on a previously deleted thread, I was told that I have DUPA and should never of had a transplant to begin with.
2. A poster here implied that my tonsillitis could of had realistically a massive effect on my yield, which implies that Dr Hasson was negligent and lied to me saying it would have no impact on the surgery. 
3. Mixed Comments in the actual result of my hair transplant, people are saying it’s natural but if people in real life can point out that something is wrong is it really natural?
4. Constant back and forwards of people saying my expectations were delusional and reasonable.

Please give me advice on what to do. These contradictions are overwhelming and have left me lost. I have no confidence in my ability to research myself because my choice and selection has placed me through a painful ordeal with a result that has left myself and others questioning. 

How do I turn this around to meet my goals?

Also does anyone know how to contact Dr Ferreira?

hey, 

I am busy so can’t reply in detail but my intention was not to make u feel bad. I meant to say it wasn’t your fault at all, and if I was in your shoes would have done everything u did. So no. Nothing u did was wrong.