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This is a very niche topic (because topical fin is not FDA approved, very few people administer it and there is no standard product with a common vehicle which everyone uses), so I personally doubt even doctors would give you a definitive answer (you should still ask though if you can find an expert). In my humble opinion, maybe don't take it so as to not risk your children's health? Or at least wait until they are old enough that you don't physically interact with them as much?

Obviously pills are better in this regard, but you must've taken the path of topical to avoid side effects for yourself. I don't see an easy way around this. Edit: nvm just read that you said you're going to try pills now.

Umar Sanusi has some impressive cases on his Youtube and website where he has used body hair primarily.

Crowd pulling questions:

1. Do they foresee the end of hair transplants as we know it? If younger people start arresting their hair loss at a young age with a medication that works and causes no side effects, fewer and fewer people are going to need hair transplants.

2. Will this get mass produced so that it helps millions across the globe over the next decade or so?

Not a crowd pulling question:

3. Is it wise to use this for people who have had beard and body hair transplanted on their scalps? Isn't Finasteride known to not encourage the growth of beard and body hair?

This guy was worse and turned out fine with body hair (considering where he started): 

I think even William would look much better if he did a procedure like this. He doesn't have a head shape for "just shave it off bro" and right now has a horseshoe shaped hair style. But it might be frowned upon since he is a royal family member.

If keeping hair is the only goal, oral Fin is a tried and tested approach and probably works best. This proposal was for the goal of keeping hair, but not at the cost of systemic DHT inhibition.

It's an imperfect approach, but issues with asymmetry can be mitigated by extending the period of the test.

It was just an idea to consider for those who aren't currently doing anything due to the fear of adverse effects of DHT inhibition. So there is no question of "sacrificing potential results" for someone like that.

Here is a proposal:

- Apply the topical product on one half or side (left or right) of your scalp for a period long enough to expect results (3-6 months).

- Compare the two sides using photographs and videos taken before, during and after the said period.

- If no growth or improvement in rate of miniaturisation on either side, the product does not work.

- If comparable growth or improvement in rate of miniaturisation seen on both sides, the product was absorbed systemically.

- If growth or improvement in rate of miniaturisation seen on the applied side and not the other side, the product was not absorbed systemically (or little).

Thoughts?

On 4/9/2022 at 5:39 PM, UMan64 said:

I've been taking Propecia since age 20, if not a little earlier.

Around age 30, I got a hair transplant procedure, with positive results.  At the time, my doctor advised that I continue to take Propecia to prevent further hair loss.

I'm now 40, and it's occurred to me that I've now been on Propecia for half my life.  I don't think I've suffered significant side effects, though it's tough to tell at this point as I've been on it so long.  But still, I'm the kind of person who generally doesn't like pumping my body with chemicals unless there's a good argument for it.

Assuming I want to continue to prevent hair loss, should I pretty much plan to be on Propecia for the rest of my life?  Is there anything risky about that?

As a side note, while my hair transplant procedure has held up well, I might consider doing another round at some point in my 40s.

These days even people with high degrees of hairloss are getting great results from hair transplants. BHT has become common. If your projected degree of hairloss is not bad, you can avoid taking a hormone changing drug for the rest of your life. As you yourself said, it's tough to tell if you get side effects over time because they can be real or nocebo - no way to tell them apart.

Acting is their job 😀 Their job is literally to pretend they are in fictitious situations. "Looking genuinely pissed" must be an easy thing for them.

6 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

It was staged. But yea it was about her hair loss

99.9% of the people won't realise that it was staged and the act will be a resounding success. 🤑

The lengths people are willing to go to get some eyeballs is astounding. 

Edit : I bump that figure to 99.99% after reading this thread 😀

Before the last transplant, what was your hair fibers regimen like? Would you apply it in the morning and wash it off every evening?

And have you considered getting an SMP for an illusion of density? Hair fibers definitely look more realistic but you can get "caught" without them if you know what I mean.

Amazing stuff.

I remember there was another guy just like you if terms of hairloss but much younger who had started a thread on his Eugenix journey. I can't seem to find it. Can anyone please link?

44 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Beard hair should only be used when scalp hair has been exhausted. Definitely do not follow this advice. Once scalp hair has been exhausted then turn to BHT. 

I meant only in the mid scalp area (to add density and not solely rely on scalp hair).

OP looks young, isn't on Fin and doesn't appear to have great donor hair already.

The only place you can manage to put body and beard hair for density is in the mid scalp. That way, if you want to fill lateral humps later on, you will still have scalp hair. Using beard or body hair in the lateral humps would look bad.

In your case, it would be a waste to use scalp hair in the mid scalp area when you can use beard or body hair. Go to someone who can use as much of body and beard hair as possible.

Dr Umar, Mwamba and Bisanga are known to use body hair extensively.

4 hours ago, taza said:

Stopping finasteride one week before doesn't make any sense. If you are planning to take finasteride  for the rest of your life all donor area should be stable.

1) plans change, some people stop taking it later on. It is not a vitamin supplement but a hormonal drug.

2) it's not bullet proof, donor area can still deplete over time

Hi @taza

I have heard at least one well-known clinic (can't remember which) recommend pausing it before the surgery and their logic was this: if you stop taking it for long enough, the truly stable donor hair would remain unaffected and the rest would start to miniaturise. That way during extraction they know which ones are the safest to take. I have no idea if stopping just one week ahead of the surgery would serve this purpose though.

Just ask them if you are in doubt.

It could be retrograde alopecia.

If you get a transplant you might have to take finasteride. 

28 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

This was a week before surgery.

 

You're right, it does look very challenging in this photo. 👍

Unpopular opinion. Your case didn't seem that bad to begin with. You don't appear to have retrograde and have your sides and lateral humps quite intact given your age.

I would consider Melvin's case to be more challenging than yours. But then I'm no expert.

Anyway I have little doubt you will come out looking like Leo after this  

Topical is an experimental option to consider.

Other than what others already said, body hair transplants can be worth looking into if you are desperate.

Mohebi has a good page on it: https://parsamohebi.com/hair-transplant/follicular-unit-extraction-fue/body-hair-transplant/

On 1/7/2022 at 6:49 AM, TorontoMan said:

Melvin interviewed Dr. Hasson recently who spoke about their new topical finasteride and soon topical dutatseride formulations. Dr. Hasson made some bold claims about the product, saying something along the lines of it going systemic around 5-10% while being nearly almost as effective as oral administration. I have since signed up to their website to get their product and found out that its $99 month, but have not found that data on the trials they did themselves to test their product. I find it a bit absurd that they are willing to sell this product for a whopping $99 a month without putting out this data, so I'm wondering if anyone knows whether or not this has been released? 

Even when the data is released you will just have to take their word for it since it's not peer reviewed or FDA approved.

But yes, having published data would mean we have something to hold them accountable against. Hopefully they will release it when they do the full release.

I have heard from so many clinics about the various disadvantages of using body hair including short growth cycles, different textures, very weak grafts and so on, but no one has ever mentioned lymphedema as a potential risk.

12 hours ago, mmokin said:

How does it cause lymphedema? Does this happen with beard hair as well?

+1 am curious too. I had never heard of this before. And just to be clear, lymphedema on the scalp or on the legs?

1 hour ago, Gatsby said:

Well I'm FINALLY only TEN DAYS away from arriving at Eugenix for surgery. I just wanted to ask those who have been to Eugenix what I should be bringing with me (and what I shouldn't bother with)? I'll be staying there with Dr Pradeep for seven days. I'm thinking button open shirt for the surgery, head rest pillow to sleep, etc? Many thanks in advance also for the support over the past month or so with the many doubts and anxieties I've gone through about surgery again after the horror experiences from when I was 18 to @JC71, @MazAB, @Zoomster, @kirkland @Melvin- Moderator and many more that I know I have left out. 🙏

Covid related stuff: masks, face shield, vaccine passport, paracetamol, funds to potentially extend your stay.

Good luck and stay safe!