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Are you only looking for crown work or hairline work?

If it's just crown work... You might be able to get by with fewer grafts and afford a clinic charging even 1.5-2 euro per graft.

If you want hair line and crown work then... don't get botched lol

I don't think the temple peaks are that bad in the sense that while Dr. Hasson brought forward the temple peak more than what was agreed upon, he only added a small triangle which tapers in almost immediately to the originally discussed hairline.

So instead of having the temple peaks brought forward a cm all the way up to the hairline, it's only a tiny triangle that was added so it almost seems like artistic license though obviously not what was discussed.

Basically, it conforms to your original hairline with maybe a tiny 1cm on all sides triangle of hair added.

Even then, I'm kinda curious since ~500 grafts for just a tiny bit more grafts to the temple points seem a bit excessive. I feel like at least half of them ended up elsewhere

Freitas

On 11/10/2018 at 12:22 AM, AnalogFeel said:

Any stories here of guys who were say NW2-3 but also with diffuse thinning and maybe a thinning crown who ended up say a 3-5 pattern long term?

Or are you guaranteed to be a very high norwood in old age

If you've got a thinning crown and diffuse thinning, you're probably not a NW2-3. If you have diffuse thinning then your pattern includes the diffuse loss. 

Yeah I also had these thoughts so I booked a monday date

At 3 euro, I'm taking a look at Spain and Portugal. Other parts of Europe as well possibly. 

3 hours ago, mafpe said:

i heard that to lower a hairline evenly by 1cm, you need around 2k grafts. so unless youre just filling your slightly receding temple, you'll need more.

I've heard that it's more like 1k grafts.

I think my girlfriend has the same phone case.

Just kidding, hairline design looks great. Good luck man

On 6/16/2022 at 1:26 AM, Thagppps said:

Summer next year. What about you ? And do you have to transfers to two different bank account also for all 3 payments  ? 

I think they also want me to send payments to two different bank accounts depending on which of the 3 payments is being made.

Kinda weird to hear that hairline density is only ~50/cm^2. I always thought native density was like 80/cm^2 or something like that.

That's been my experience. Though I've only made one payment thus far. If you're into churning credit cards, you can use some of those payments to instantly hit the rewards for a specific card if you use something like transferwise.

On 6/13/2022 at 12:18 AM, TeeJay said:

About Me:

34M, never been on any meds.

  You probably want to get on meds since you have a lot of miniaturized hair that can be saved

On 6/13/2022 at 12:18 AM, TeeJay said:

Backstory:

I started to thin in my early 20s and have slowly lost hair in my temple region and my crown. 

I've thought about FUE for probably 6 or 7 years now. Initially I thought the technology was new and never really followed through on it. I started to shave my head in 2016/2017 after getting fed-up with highly receded combovers. I feel like shaving my head exacerbated my thinning but I could be wrong.

Nah, hair is just keratin. Like nails. Cutting your nails doesn't stop your nails from growing anymore than cutting your hair stops your hair from growing. If only that were the case, my girlfriend wouldn't complain that I have toenails like a cassowary

On 6/13/2022 at 12:18 AM, TeeJay said:

Current:

I've battled with depression and lack confidence as a result of loss of hair. It's a big factor even moreso because I'm a shorter individual. I've tried to just suck it up for years but I think I've gotten to a point where I feel its time I need to do something about it.

 

Balding/receding sucks for everyone man. I consider myself boyishly handsome so in a way it's like being rich and then having it taken away from you. 

On 6/13/2022 at 12:18 AM, TeeJay said:

1. I would guess I'm a norward  5 or 6 at this point? I've seen some success stories but would I require more than 1 surgery at this point?
2. How many graphs would I require? I think I'd be in the 3K to 4K range, just based on looking some of the success stories on this page
3. I've always laid of the medication, only because of the side effects that I've heard about it - Is it a mandatory requirement to start prior to surgery?
4. Are there any other doctors I should consider who have had success with a similar case to me? 

I've attached a few pictures for reference. 3 of the pictures are from today. 4 of the pictures that I have longer hair growth are from October 2021.

 

1. NW scale is kinda weird in that people talk about diffuse loss differently. I've seen someone with diffuse loss through the entire scalp consider themselves NW2/NW3 which makes no sense to me. But yeah, I'd say NW5 but diffuse norwood 5 - you're in a good situation in the sense that you're not slick bald and still have a lot of hair to save.

2. Depends how much progress you make on drugs. I think there's a lot of potential for you to reverse some loss and thicken your existing hairs. If I had to guess, 4-5k? It really depends on the approach the doctor takes as well since some will break it up into multiple stages

3. Not really mandatory. Some will operate on you without drugs but you really have a ton of hair to save.

4. Probably anyone on the recommended list. I like Hasson & Wong for bigger cases but there are a lot of great ones.

There are tools you can use that let you try on different hair style but I'm not sure if there's any that let you customize thing like temple points and the like

9 hours ago, HelpfulFriend said:

That's my thought, I've been on Fin and Min for a while, too - so I'd assume I'd be much worse.

My family history is really bad, and I can see myself still losing ground even on meds (albeit very slowly) - so I just want to be as conservative as possible and maximise the grafts.

So i'd start FUT, then go FUE

I've seen FUE on some very high norwoods and it looks great too. I don't think you're forced to go down the FUT route. I'm not saying that you should do FUE or FUT, but rather that the tradeoffs don't necessitate you do FUT

On 5/25/2022 at 12:11 AM, 5BetaReductase said:

I don’t understand how this patient is classified as a norwood 3. There is no frontal tuft

It probably falls under the A classification. i.e. 3A/4A/5A. But the loss goes way deep from the pictures and he's got miniaturization throughout the entire midscalp. For sure that's gotta be like a 4A/5A though probably they're treating it like a 3A since the rest can be addressed with fin

Also, I just want to say - 31 w/ NW3 isn't that bad honestly. Though I guess it is a negative that you're a NW3 with fin/min in the sense that with fin/min mitigating you're still NW3. 

Are you sure you need FUT? What did the doctors say?

On 6/11/2022 at 3:06 AM, Hair transplant is a huge said:

Epstein is a legit. From what I've seen he does good work. 

He's been around for a very long time. 

He's the doc who trained Gary Linkov.

Training Linkov is a negative. Dude is a part-time hair transplant surgeon part-time all purpose plastic surgeon and full time clickbait youtuber

Hasson & Wong is always popular when it comes to FUT.

1 hour ago, sukh123 said:

WTF, pubic hair you want some person punching near your penis lol. I mean i know people want hair, but this is pushing it, this is a violation lol

It kills two birds with one stone man. You get hair on your head and you don't have to shave your nuts (or your ass). Sadly, my hair is straight as an arrow 

59 minutes ago, HappyMan2021 said:

No answer for you, but just commenting because I find this interesting. When it comes to ethnicity most of the conversation is about white vs black hairline and differences in hair texture. Curious to see what others say regarding what typifies Hispanic hair. 

Hispanic hair is really hard  to define imo. Hispanics are kinda weird in that they're more of a mixed race. I've seen some hispanics who on first glance are legit just black people and can grow a full on afro. And then some I've seen with blonde hair and blue eyes and perfectly straight hair. I would say that there isn't one definitive "hispanic" hair type like you might think there is with Asians... Not that Asians have a definitive hair type either which says a lot since they all seem to have thick straight black hair... But I've seen Asian girls who have naturally frizzy curly hair and others with hair that is so thick and straight you could get a splinter from them

59 minutes ago, Blacklurker said:

He wants to fix his hairline and corners and the only way to do that is a transplant he get that done at 25 he’ll be fine instead wasting his 20s and waiting till his 30’s. After the 15 years he can get another transplant he’ll still have plenty on donor area left and he can hop on Dutasteride then and keeping your hair till 50s(come on now). How how does he know he won't be in the minortiy of people who transplants fali, it's all a risk he will most likely be in the majority.

Here’s the link to a Reddit account that documented his use of propecia for 12 years and seen barely any lost. since your trying to discredit actors.

 

 

Hair loss isn't the same for everyone. His situation is different from yours. A NW7 on fin is way different than a NW2.5 on fin. 

He sounds established (with a job) and like he's older than 22. Under 25, hair loss is more unpredictable and probably aggressive too. If you're losing a ton at 22, chances are it might be a bit aggressive

His hair loss is primarily the crown which is much more receptive to fin than the hairline. Most studies of fin show that it works best on the crown for the purposes of regrowth. Not sure about maintaining the crown vs maintaining the hairline but I imagine that the crown is just more receptive to fin.

There isn't a pro athlete i don't think is on steroids.

You mean like a forehead reduction surgery? Generally a bad idea cause you'll have a horizontal scar across your hairline. 

Pretty sure Dr. G is not being recommended by this forum? Maybe some posters?

I think people generally recommend Dr. Bicer for budget but quality work. 

39 minutes ago, mr_peanutbutter said:

this was his situation with 35

 

 

 

20 years later…

 

 

 

 

 

by today standards - is that something where you can still do something? hairtransplant wise?

 

 

Yeah I'm not doubting that your grandfather had hair loss down the line. I'm saying that it's no guarantee that you're following down his foot steps. There's a billion guys who have a NW2/NW3 at age 32. And I mean that literally (as in there probably is a billion guys with that level of balding at that age).

You can't really prove that you have the same hair loss as your grandfather as opposed to maybe any number of family members who also have had a NW2-3.

Also, mother's father is kind of a myth in that it's not the only (or major) indicator that you will be bald. Baldness comes from both sides of the family. Even accounting for genetics, gene expression isn't guaranteed to be the same. You could have lived a very stressful life (or the opposite) and greatly accelerated your loss. 

And that's not accounting for the fact that probably millions of guys follow that same trajectory being that NW2/NW3 are probably the most common hair loss patterns in the world and the fact that most men start noticing their hair loss in their late 20's/early 30's. Sure, your grandfather was a NW2 at whatever age, but there are hundreds of millions of guys who are also a NW2 in the age range of 25-35. It really doesn't mean that much imo

So what I'm saying more or less is that you have an incredibly common pattern and you can't really draw any further conclusions from it other than you're a NW2/NW3 at 32. Anything beyond that (i.e. your grandfather) is just speculation. The only way to put that speculation to rest is to have a doctor examine you for miniaturization and that would be a much better indicator of where you're heading than looking at your mom's dad. Alternatively, you could try it yourself - I've heard you can buy a microscope off Amazon and check for miniaturization that way...