MachoVato

The technicians implant the grafts, yes, but into pre-made incisions. Dr. Bisanga should have made the incisions before the technicians got started.

I believe his current prices are much higher. Something like €5/graft (plus 21% vat) for him to do extractions and incisions. Now that Dr. Kostis is there, they work together and are able to get more patients.

That said, you went to one of the very best clinics in the world. And the work looks immaculate. You will not regret this decision!

If 2 euro is too high, you're options really dry up. 

You can look up FueCapilar, Dr. Turan and Dr. Gur. I think Gur charges 1.25 euro/graft and he does the extractions and incisions. 

That's a brilliant result! I wish all transplants were this good. Truly life changing. I'm very happy for you!

Such great work. This really is the *start* of the growth phase. Things will get very exciting... new growth every week. 

You might even be able to get a proper haircut in the next month or two, to even things out.

1 hour ago, Still hesitant about HLC.. said:

Hello MachoVato, 

I am open to friendly discussion and wanna learn from your experience as well. 

You didn't read my posts obviously or you did not understand my points. Never mind. 

Actually I was thinking HLC is a GREAT clinic and amongst the best for FUE in Europe until I came across Bloodhound and José story on this forum and spanish hairloss youtuber Messias' channel and then started researching VERY deep into the archives. 

I knew hlc was perhaps not as elite as some very expensive docs such as Couto & Lorenzo or maybe some doctors in the US but still I felt really really confident until recently. That is why I had chosen them initially. 

Based on that very extensive research,  it turned out (literally around 10 days before surgery) that there are elements that justifiably awake quite a few doubts and suspiscions in regards to their abilities...

A) How was your experience with them ? 

B) What is your opinion about the numbers I was speculating about ? 

C) What do you think would be an accurate estimate of the number patients they operate each month ? And also what do you think the percentage of failed cases that happen per month ? Less than 10% ? 

D) What was your post-operative routine specifically ? 

I know they do NOT have many failed cases and none of those particular cases is a disaster like those we often see from lowcost hairmills.  Bloodhound case is not a disaster meaning the donor area is okay and there is SOME growth in the recipient area but this type of result is just not acceptable given the high price and reputation.  It is not too bad for sure  but looks like the average lowcost result from Elithair, estepera, serkan aygin, cinik etc...

Looking forward to hear your opinion. 

Thanks 

Look, you came out pretty negative on your very first post with a very cringy username. If that's just your sense of humor, my bad I apologize. But remember that people read things like this and make big decisions about their hair.

This is sidetracking the post but I'll try to answer you questions.

Let's go with your number of 100 patients a month, which is probably close. They have 5 doctors (I think) and work 6 days a week. Some patients, like myself, are 2 day procedures. Let's round down to 1,000 patients per year. Not sure when they started, but I see patient cases from 2011. So let's say 10 years... 10,000 patients. You found 4 cases of sub-par results. I don't know the percentage... 10% would be disastrous, that's hair mill category. 

The first rule to remember is that most people don't post their transplant because they don't want others to know they had one. It's so uncommon that doctors are willing to give a discount if the patient allows them to post their pictures. The exception is when things go wrong. They want to complain, seek sympathy, support, perhaps hurt the doctor... and maybe find some emotional closure. Nothing wrong with this, I understand it. Chances are high that unhappy patients will post... chances are low that happy patients won't.

Final thought... it is a big misconception that hair transplants will be perfect after one procedure. It is simply not possible to get density of native hair in one procedure. And it is quite normal to get some spots that don't fill in perfectly... a double or two in the hairline... some hair that doesn't lay down right... etc. If you are looking for perfection, you are likely going to be disappointed no matter who you go to. Even the elites are not perfect.

That said, my case was a 95% homerun. I've written plenty about my experience and shared lots of photos. The clinic has asked my permission to use my photos, and I guess they going to post it on their social media, not sure. 

4 hours ago, Soon butchered by hlc said:

I guess they have 3 patients per day so basically it equals roughly to 90 patients per month or maybe a bit less. Out of those 90 patients maybe 5-10 get a result similar to yours or José's...

These numbers are ridiculous.

If you think HLC gives you a 10% of being "butchered" ... and are STILL going there... you're an idiot. Or you're just a troll.

All looks good! The little patch is nothing to worry about. You're going to see some uneven growing for the next several months. It's normal to look into the mirror every time you pass by it, but remember the timeline. 

Patience is key. It's going to come out great! 

Sure, it's too soon to make any final opinions. But let's be real here... if this was done by a Turkish clinic, we would be ripping them to shreds. I get it, Eugenix is a board favorite and Bansal is legit. But come on now. The angles are wrong. 

I don't think any clinic (paying member or not) should get a free pass. My ethics won't allow it. I'm willing to give this the benefit of doubt, Eugenix has earned that. But I'll be unhappy if they say they are happy with this... that this meets their high standards. 

Temples coming in nicely. They look a lot better short.

On 2/24/2022 at 9:31 PM, Hairyypotter said:

Hi there I'm going to HLC in April, 2600 grafts quoted. Did the doctors extract your follicles manually or with a motorized machine ?

Also I'm wondering if i should have a pre-transplant kit I should bring from Canada like medication, vitamins or creams that cant be found in turkey. 

Yeah, HLC extracts with manual punches performed by the doctors. I'm not partial to manual extractions, personally. Many top doctors perform motorized extractions. And of course, HLC does stick & place for implantation. I always refer people to this video to explain that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tvSooScRl4

And I believe (not certain) that the post-care kit is part of the €150 option, which includes airport pickup, room and food. Might want to check with them about that. 

On Edit: the price of the aftercare kit is 150 not 250.

Looks like impeccable work. Very similar to my procedure. 

I'm glad you didn't try to get your whole head treated in one procedure. You're doing it the right way. Best of luck!

56 minutes ago, Cschil12 said:

Hello everyone,

I have found this forum very helpful. I’m 31 and balding I live in Kentucky and am trying to determine the best fue hair transplant surgery. Any recommended doctors in Kentucky or the surrounding states that aren’t too over priced. Looking for about 2,500-3,000 graphs. Thanks!

US prices are high. The cheapest docs are at $5-6/graft. But top docs start around $8 (for FUE, FUT is less), as mentioned above. 

I went from Texas to Turkey. Flew business class. Stayed 5 extra days in a 5 star hotel. Did a little vacationing and sight seeing. And it would have cost me about $10k more if I did it in the US.

Another option from DXB would be India. Eugenix top package is a top option. And they have probably the nicest facilities I've ever seen. 

Check this out!

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/62549-gatsby-unplugged-8723-grafts-fuebht-dr-sethi-eugenix/

I thought I saw somewhere that Bisanga raised his price to €5/graft (plus 21% VAT) if he does incisions and extractions. Top docs ain't cheap!  You can get it cheaper if his partner doctor does the extractions.

I booked Bisanga in 7 weeks. HLC was in 5 weeks because there was a cancellation.

If you can wait and have a better budget, I'm partial to the Spanish and Belgium options. They produce very natural hairlines. 

Don't get too caught up on the graft estimates. It all depends on where you draw the lines. If you lower your hairline 1cm, that can be about 800 grafts with high density. And how far back you go into your midscalp. 

At the 2.5/graft price, you're in pretty safe territory. Go with the one that you are comfortable with and that can do it when you want to go. 

I have a bias towards the doctor doing the extractions and incisions. The very top clinics have excellent techs, but at this level I would lean towards Gur doing the whole procedure. 

I admit it doesn't look very dense. It is still unfinished and you could be a later bloomer. 

It's hard to see the implanted density since you went with a no-shave option. That said, 2,200 grafts is a lot and I would expect more improvement at this stage.

Obviously, keep your spirits up and give it more time. I would reach out to Panine for feedback. Perhaps if a top up procedure would be offered, that might be worth considering. good luck!

Personally, I like Dr. Gur's work a little more. Here's a recent case.

On 1/7/2022 at 2:45 PM, Gracz said:

Oooops, forgot to give updates! This is my new hairstyle. Note I am now combing hair one way, so the right side temple is new hair only. 

 

10/10 for Mr Nader. I just visited my home town and none of my friends noticed any difference between new and old hair, they completely blend in.

 

How about an update?

BHR Malaga is another option.

Yes, Spanish forum has more Spanish content.

I kinda agree that the side by side picture doesn't look very different. Which shows that you were good at styling your hair to hide the weak areas. And honestly, you hair color blends easily with your skin color, too. Only this last photo really shows your recession.

At 4 months, things starting to improve for me. But it was around month 8 or 9 that it really started to look great. You're in the very early stages. It only gets better from here! Best of luck!

Imagine this walking around the clinic, drawing on your scalp, eating your food. Then saying, I made the right choice!

4 hours ago, hairlossman1 said:

From my experience and what I have seen recently, roughly 4000 graft procedures are completed in 2 full days.

Mine was 2 days, too. Very long days!

On 1/31/2022 at 7:27 PM, WS2020 said:

My wife does like the results overall and ask me to consider to do another transplant to fill out the crown. I am using Caboki and feel it is doing a great job. Maybe down the road but I just don't want to go through another surgery and recovery now.

 

A second surgery is far less traumatic than your first. Yes, you'll shave your head but you have a lot of new hair that will simply just grow back. Your crown will take a while to fill in, as is normal. If you add density to your hairline, it should be easy to do by a good surgeon... and again, you won't have as much of an ugly duckling phase. 

I would agree with the others... Asian hair is not so much as a consideration as afro hair would be. Afro hair curls under the skin so extra skill is needed to extract without damaging it.

That said, I would say that Asian hair is closer to Hispanic hair, like mine. Especially around the sides and back of my head, the hair doesn't really lay down very well. 

I don't know of any photos or videos of Asian patients from HLC. But there are some Hispanic cases. You'd see many more with the Spanish doctors, like Cuoto, De Freitas, Lorenzo, etc., of course.