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JAG, lets not make it a pro feller against feller discussion here. As u can see, some of those so called 'supporters' are using this chance to again malign Feller. The post from tester said it all. The John Malloy and Badluck cases were already under the bridge and he has to rake it up and hinted that Feller sues patients who posted their bad results online. I have been in the forum long enough and had been involved in those threads as well. Imagine a newbie coming online and having to read that! The sole reason the lawsuits came up was that both of them accused Feller of drugging them and thats a very severe accusation. I am not sure what Tester's agenda is about and its the least interest of mine to start an online spat but it is wat is it. Your posts are now leaving holes for Feller's haters to come in and add fire to fuel. Seriously u sound like a reasonable person, do u wish for that to happen?

Next, u said why would u want to contact Spex instead of the doc? Yes i get that, but since u are not getting your way via the receptionist, why not try Spex?? You can jolly well ask Spex your questions and i am sure he would have done something about it.

My best guess is that Dr Feller is of the idea that u are troubled with your transplant and that warranted a face to face meeting but on the other hand, all u wanted was a bit of time to speak to him on a few general questions. Its a miscommunication issue and nothing to do with etiquette and such, so can we all be mature adults and move on?

Its tough to make a call here. I asked Spex long time ago for a quotation on grafts, and as usual, Spex got it answered by the good doc almost immediately. Maybe i am a potential patient ( business ) so i cannot judge based on my experience. I think it all boils down to bad communication. Prob JAG just wanted to speak to the doc abt a few general questions and Dr Feller prob thought he was concerned with his results, which obviously warranted an office consultation to ascertain what went wrong. It has nothing to do with the doc's etiquette so i think we should drop accusing him of that. Its just a bad luck case of poor communcation plus bad results hence the boil over of frustration.

tester, i was around when both John Malloy and Badluck had issues with Dr Feller. As u prob can see, i am in no way affiliated to Feller but i just thought i should say something in case readers are misguided. Correct me if i am wrong, and its a long story i am not gonna write a book here, John Malloy and Badluck accused Feller of drugging them to sign the indemnity form. That was a serious case of defamation and I agreed Feller had to do something. It wasn't about lack of results. You can go back to the thread and verify. Hence, please do not say that Feller will sue online posters just because they accuse him of bad results or poor communication. Their accuses were far worse than what he is being accused of here.

found this particular thread, very interesting. Anyone got any more information to add on?

Hariri, no its not abt that Point is, he has spoken and i am waiting for the last growth spurt, if any. After that, i will let u guys judge for yourselves However, right now, i can guarantee u that u will not like the pictures which i post

at 4months, u seriously shld not worry nor complain as the growth phase is just starting

David, u have the hair greed virus!!! lol

i will post mate but lets give the hair a couple more months to grow

i guarantee that if i post now, i will get lousy comments and my doc will be forced to appear to clarify issues which i have mentioned many times i do not want that

Hopefully, down the road, i can sport a good enough result to feel happy about

wish me luck!

Hi mate, it must be frustrating experience for u. However, like David mentioned, its only fair the clinic gets to post online their side of the story. Before that happens, i prefer not to pass judgement but only share your disappointment in your failed attempt. Thats tough to stomach, i know that. All the best matey

I am having the same issues as u mate so i feel for you, but if there is any consolation, u r in a far better predicament as i m. I think the density is fine although i admit u should probably be looking for a better result. Give yourself another few months. There is nothing much u can do right now but wait!

Mate, u r looking very normal. The 3-4 months are the worst, looks wise. There is absolutely nothing to fret about

Of course, my suggestion works all the time

Hi bros sorry for the late reply! Yes i understand your point and i am seriously considering. I am just too swarmed knowing that shockloss can, and probably, will happen. Another round of that lying and dodging is really really unbearable. I guess, it boils down to which is more unbearable! HL or a few months of lying and dodging? Good thing is i still have a good few months to ponder over it. Guys, wish me luck ok! I really need it! Hope i can see a miracle in the next few months!

Bill, i respect and salute your determination to fight the HL monster. Wished i was as strong willed as u but i prob am not I am just gonna suck it up and move on.

concentrate on a babe that will take your attention away for a while

ok jokes aside, put some vit e oil mate

hi hair there! I always admired and respected your perseverance in fighting the HL monster. 4 HT! Thats great determination bro I guess having some reassurance from a long time HT expert from u does put my mind more at ease but at the same time, i still want to prepare for the worst and think of plan B

1500 grafts? sorry dude, i had abt the same loss or less and nothing less than 3k will make a huge difference. I dun concur with your dr's number.

Hi buddy, yup u r absolutely right. I came out with a purpose, did my research, made an excellent choice n I m not looking back. I m just sad that 3150 grafts gave me so little coverage. When I post my pics in future, u will see what I mean.

U had good results my friend, from a few empty spots to spotting quite a bit of hair. I m thrilled for u! There are so many good results posted by dr pat's patients so once again I reiterate that I had complete faith in the good doc. I just wan to explore my future options. Like I said, I m sort of stuck in between. I had bad shock loss first time round n I m pretty sure it will be back to haunt me come second round n that was the toughest obstacle. I could not mask my ht n as a commodities trader, I have to meet clients, bankers, suppliers etc. I simply can't wear a hat. Faking another round of scalp infection is just impossible... I thought I can finally leave the grasp of the hl

monster at least for a good few yrs but i guess it's all an illusion for me

it's a tough pill to swallow guys. Physically I might be better off from where I started albeit a slight improvement

but the mental block is still existent..,

Hi Dr Pat, thanks for commenting! I agree that there was improvement but i was just concerned if the density i had now reflected 3150 grafts. Maybe there was some reason or another which caused the growth to be less than optimal, but like what we discussed during the session, i will wait for a few months and hopefully more will grow as well as more thickening for the existing grown hair

cow, i understand where u r coming from and i am in a dilemma here. I am sort of stuck in between. If i had better results, obviously there is no thinking to be done. I am at a point whereby things have defn improved but not satisfactory. Do i want to go through the whole waiting and lying to colleagues thingy again? It was really tough mentally, especially when i goto meet bankers, customers nearly everyday. I get loads of questions ( or those looks from them whereby u know they are obviously guessing but din want to ask ) as to what happened. I was able to pull it off by saying scalp infection but i cant fabricate another lie again. It would be too obvious.

Shockloss was a major problem for me, and i see it becoming yet again another problem if i chose to go under the knife again.

Guys, any suggestions?

Hi there recession, the thing is I have come across both online n actual patients of dr pat.

So far nobody I met is unhappy with their results so I have absolute faith in dr pat n team. I m just

bewildered as to why my growth was bad. Like I mentioned before, we had a discussion n raised some valid reasons n concerns. However as much as I would want to blame my own physicality, I can't. I m only 34 yrs old non drinker non smoker with no health issues. Maybe it's just luck, I m not sure but it's pointless talking abt it now. I will wait till 12 mth before I conclude anything. By then I will post all the relevant pics. Anyway thanks for the concern n understanding. It's tough finding level headed posters like u

Levrais, thanks brother for your encouragement. I feel better after chatting here with u guys

Cow, not really. I do not think i have gained a lot since pre op. Even the good doc, Oravan and David felt the same. Its defn not abt my expectations. I know wat u mean abt the second procedure but like i said, as at least i have some coverage up front so i can use nanogen to temporarily mask it. I will save up my donor for future usage

Definitely i will keep u guys posted. I started on this journey, met friends like u guys along the way. Its only right i conclude my journey with some answers

Guys, thanks for the concerns. Let me address each one individually

Cow, no, if u follow my posts, i was so darn scared of scratching that the scabs took longer than usual to drop as i was so afraid of damaging the grafts. Warm water, slow washing and massaging, avoiding the sun, u name it, i got it. I was tormented by HL, so i will not do anything that might compromise on the results. Hence i seriously do not think its anything i did post op that caused the bad result

Hair there, those were my native hair. I was not that bald to begin with, but many who were more bald and had 3000+ grafts look far better than me now, thats sad.

Vincent, no worries mate, i understand we have the same doc and i have nothing but good stuff to talk abt him. He was concerned with my density as well when i went down for a review last month. There were many reasons to speculate on, but it is what it is. The results were sub par but i m blaming no one. Whats the point anyway? Nothing's gonna change. However, i am still hopeful things will turn for the better.

Hair there, i also have some peach fuzz on my temples and my hairline so i expect to see slightly better results down the road but i am mentally prepared. I know i am not headed for a wow result, my expectations are definitely in line with reality, David can vouch for that as he has my photos.

Sad thing is, even when my expectations are realistic, its still a failure for me. By 12 months, i will post a final conclusion and u can see where i m coming from.

damn, thats good results! Thats y i say i have faith in Dr Pat. Maybe its just my luck, fated to have bad results. You started more bald than me and now far ahead of me in the curve. Happy for u mate

times, no i m not. Dr Pat feels my loss is not that bad to warrant minox oral. As u know, not that many tests have been done on minox oral but he strongly recommends me to consume finas but i am not doing so. I really dun blame him or the team for anything, though i am surprised that for 3150 grafts, i should be looking much better

David, thanks for the encouraging words all the time, online and offline. I seriously feel like u all over again, your situation was similar to mine though my loss is prob not as bad. Hence i feel dejected that for 3000ish grafts, i cant even cover my frontal 1/3 decently..

Yes i will wait until 12 months before posting photos, and give a conclusion to my journey. Hopefully things will be better

hi guys, its me again

I know some of u guys have been anxious to get some updates on my results, trust me, i would love to do so if possible but right now, i am at a place i do not want to be. Results right now are mediocre at best, and i did speak to my surgeon abt it. Do not get me wrong, i have faith in Dr Pat and the team. In fact, a couple of patients whom i met on the surgerdy date... i am still keeping in touch with them and they are elated with their results. All other forum members who went to Dr Pat had very good results too, so please do not get my meaning wrong.

I would really want to blame my physiology but being 34, non smoker, non drinker whole life, and i take part in the yearly standard chartered bank half marathon... i seriously think there is nothing wrong with me, even the good doc said so...but hey, it is what it is. I did my research, made a decision, a choice, took the plunge, and i do not regret it. Maybe illusion of density is really just an illusion after all

Sorry i will not be posting any pics for the moment as i do not want any misunderstanding to happen, in case some trouble makers purposely start some fire in attacking my doc. However, do note that i have been talking to Bill and David, and David did express his concerns too, abt my density. We both agree that its not abt my expectations but in reality, i should look better with 3150 grafts. Anyway once the 12 mth kicks in, no matter how it turns out, i will give all those following my threads and posts a conclusive answer to my surgery

Till then, wish me luck!