LonelyGraft

@Melvin-Moderator’s long lost twin?

this looks great for 1800 grafts. I think you got good yield too.

Too many better options nearby in Europe (Belgium, Spain, Sweden) to even consider UK for a hair transplant. It will even be cheaper as well

This looks great. How old are you?

Even tho the rep, if it’s the same guy from Italy, is a total jackass, he may have a point. If you’re claiming u had significant growth from minoxidil and u were off of it for 6 weeks it may very well be a shed caused by that. Minoxidil is a growth stimulant and it forces hairs to enter the anagen phase and artificially stay in it longer. If u take it away, especially for extended periods, it can potentially cause a shed as those hairs enter their own programmed cycles. 4 weeks after seems a bit aggressive. However, like said before, all u can do is wait.

20 hours ago, elduterino said:

RU give side effects, although it does not affect androgen levels. We know that already, from studies. 

I used RU for 9 years, everyday, on myself, that Youtube guy should stick to bodybuilding advice.

RU or CB bind to the androgen receptor (AR)  so that DHT or testosteone cannot bind and cause hair loss.

But RU has a serum half life of 1 hour which is sufficient to circulate in the blood stream once its inside the dermis, then bind to other AR in the body and cause androgenic side effects due to the lack of androgen biding to the AR, regardless of the serum level of DHT/T, which remains the same, or  be slightly elevated like in using FIN.

The side effects I experienced were difficulty maintaining erections, numbness of the penis. Weird feeling for sure, but which went away after a day or two of stopping RU at least for me. I never got the PFS so its only my expericene. Others have reported potential heart issues, brain fog etc..

RU has never been fully studies in humans and there may be other unknown side effects. No need to use it now anymore, its dead as future treatment now that we have CB aka Clascoterone

 

And yet you’re the same guy who kept posting for years on forums telling people RU was side effect free. Imagine if those people followed your advice?

you always talked crap about minoxidil too, yet now you’re using it 👍🏼

8 hours ago, Dr. Suhail Khokhar said:

I would wait 1 month to start lifting and start off light. You don't want to stretch the scars. 

Is this advice even for fue?

8 minutes ago, jimcraig152 said:

I've never used concealers. I tend to sweat a lot. Always have. Not sure if it is a good idea for a guy like me to use concealers. I am going to keep my hair short-ish through the 12-18 month recovery period, then grow it back to shoulder length. Going to be cool to be able to have long hair without forming over hair and locking it down with lots of hair spray to cover up the receded corners. That is of course if I don't need a repair procedure.

Oh, on a side note. Absolutely zero response from MHTA even after I set up the Onpatient account.

If you have an urgent question and need a response I’d reach out to Melvin and he could probably help u.

Didn’t your clinic give you post op instructions mentioning this? Each clinic has their own set of guidelines 

The recipient is doing quite well. That’s great that you haven’t lost all your grafts yet. The donor still needs more time to heal and recover. Thanks for documenting this

3 hours ago, rockie123 said:

5.9.20 - 2.5 months after the HT. Still lots of space between the hairs, starting to look better though.

Still very early days to expect anything. How did u find this doctor?

Lol spex posting undercover. What a huge backfire.

7 hours ago, elduterino said:

The manufacturer wants to make money selling drugs, they often rely on expiry dates for that. Therefore drug manufacturer will never advise on the best way to store drugs, only the acceptable and convenient way to store until the expiry date

Research drugs sold as raw powder , are often frozen at -20c at the manufacturing site and can be effective for years. I stored my RU, airtight , in the freezer for 5 years and the powder still worked fine.

I stored all my meds, mostly in the fridge since 1998 without issues in terms of effectiveness, but I live in a hot and humid climate for half of the year. Depends where you live.

Storage of drugs also depends on humidity, that's why it says room-temp and dry, because moisture will pass through plastics

The more expensive meds. are stored in glass containers with aluminum caps

 

https://repair.geappliances.com/resources/faq/what-is-the-average-humidity-level-in-a-refrigerator

• Relative humidity: Humidity is actually a measurement of how much moisture is in the atmosphere compared to how much moisture there could possibly be at that temperature. For example, 50% humidity at 35° F is actually a lot less moisture than 50% humidity at 70° F because warm air has the potential to hold much more moisture. The humidity levels in your fridge are always proportionate to the interior temperature, which fluctuates several degrees over the course of a day.

Exactly, you’re purchasing straight up raw powder “research chemicals.” These pills the op is taking have fillers with organic properties that you and I both don’t know much about or how they degrade in various temperatures and settings. Rogaine foam also has lots of components in the vehicle. You Def don’t have a degree in chemistry or pharmacology so I dunno y ur sitting here giving advice on med storage like u know better than the drug companies

7 hours ago, elduterino said:

The manufacturer wants to make money selling drugs, they often rely on expiry dates for that. Therefore drug manufacturer will never advise on the best way to store drugs, only the acceptable and convenient way to store until the expiry date

Research drugs sold as raw powder , are often frozen at -20c at the manufacturing site and can be effective for years. I stored my RU, airtight , in the freezer for 5 years and the powder still worked fine.

I stored all my meds, mostly in the fridge since 1998 without issues in terms of effectiveness, but I live in a hot and humid climate for half of the year. Depends where you live.

Storage of drugs also depends on humidity, that's why it says room-temp and dry, because moisture will pass through plastics

The more expensive meds. are stored in glass containers with aluminum caps

 

https://repair.geappliances.com/resources/faq/what-is-the-average-humidity-level-in-a-refrigerator

• Relative humidity: Humidity is actually a measurement of how much moisture is in the atmosphere compared to how much moisture there could possibly be at that temperature. For example, 50% humidity at 35° F is actually a lot less moisture than 50% humidity at 70° F because warm air has the potential to hold much more moisture. The humidity levels in your fridge are always proportionate to the interior temperature, which fluctuates several degrees over the course of a day.

12 minutes ago, Morocci said:

There are also clinics such as Cosmedica and Asmed, who make slits with saffier blade and then implant whit a pen. The reason why is because they say with forceps the hairfollicles have a greater chance to be damaged. With Dhi/implanter pen the follicles are directly placed in to the pen and are protected.

They claim that sometimes the technician cant find the slit or due to fatigue places the hair incorrect with forceps, and so the follicles dies. I think it s very understandable. Or is it just BS?

Reason why i ask this is because i am planning to have a beardtransplant and i m opting to go with cosmedica and choose the fue in combination with DHI technique done by dr Acar..I would like your opinions

Personally I would not go with acar. He runs a Turkish ht mill and I have seen a case of a badly depleted donor here. I think you get what u pay for in this case. Beware

20 hours ago, AngelOnTheEarth said:

To implant

As far as I know he is and has been using his KEEP implanters the whole time?

18 hours ago, whattheFUE said:

1. When a good member is driven away after being ganged up on by the less well informed, and supported by admin for behind the scenes reasons. (The answer to 99 out of a 100 questions is....... drumroll. . . . money.) I miss Spex, Mickey, JoeTillman and the other more elegant shill-patients that used to gather around these parts. It was refreshing to hear them speak, because you knew what they were going to say, who they were going to bash and what general energy their post would contain. A "Dana White" of hair loss would be a great thing. Dr. Feller would be a choice here as he goes into his golden years, but the man is so unstable and gets offended too easily in a place where offending someone is often the only best option. Ultimately, if the forum becomes what it's current policy is gearing towards, it will be left with the admin and a few users that strongly agree with him and thrive through the bizarre false-protection that being friends with the admin on a site gives. More experienced users will become jaded with the selective censorship dance with mob mentality that seems to fill the air here as of late. 

2. When a respected surgeon has a bad result that shows their clinic wasn't the kool-aid that we all sought. Everybody has a bad day, but not everybody has a bad career.

3. When a respected surgeon has a bad result, and comes on to defend it, talking to forum members here like we're patients. We're not, we're something in between. As such, there needs to be more carefully thought out respect to avoid getting into what most of Feller's interactions here were before he quit. An angry old man unable to communicate with potential patients as he sees them as so far below them its laughable. Let's not ever do that again.

4. When we have a patient post a case with a great doc that doesn't have many cases, everything looks like it's going to take off, then that guy disapprears. Retention is a major problem. Giving users bonuses or increased board rights for completing a full year's journey of successful pics is an obvious solution to this problem.

5. When someone comes along with something that sounds feasible but amazing -- hair duplication and piloscopy come to mind -- something that would completely invert the hair loss surgery industry, and go beyond that to influence what the general population looks like. A procedure so devastatingly effective, it changes our believes about what's normal. Breast implants did this decades ago, boner pills came a bit after, accutane, antiobiotics, ketogenic dieting, removing pesticides from food, toxins from air... Someone comes along, a confident weirdo. The weirdo is key because it reminds you there's no basis for the  confident. And suggests he is the next thing. The difficulty of encouraging a crazy person while still pulling the reigns on a madman is a palpable balancing act in a field like hair loss. I worry that some version of this happened with piloscopy, even Nigam.

 

Constructive criticism can advance art forward a few decades. Only if it goes on too long and without change do people need to revert back to criticism. But even then, be selective. Silence and ghosting are so important in the modern world.

I wish there was an option to block specific users entirely, so as not to see any of their posts or even their username. This would probably be something to look into Mel.

I can tell you’ve been on the hair loss scene and forums for quite a while (I have too). You make some good points and your post is actually quite refreshing. Even tho this forum is not perfect it’s much more fair than probably any other out there. Of course that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to improve it further.

6 hours ago, gillenator said:

Worst case anecdote?...I had no difficulty applying the foam as my crown area is thin to begin with and I made sure as the foam dissipated that the product was applied to the scalp surface.

My premonition is that it's because the liquid version is soaked into the area immediately and more thoroughly...anyone who has used both liquid and foam knows that....so maybe its because the foam does not saturate the scalp surface as well...who knows?

I also found that the foam version is more expensive to use in the long run.

There was a well known doctor and pharmacologist (dr Peter proctor) that claimed a component of the minoxidil liquid, propylene glycol specifically, is responsible for at least some growth. He referenced some study where minoxidil liquid vs a placebo that just had the vehicle ingredients showed that even the placebo treatment had growth in participants.

funny enough the foam doesn’t contain this ingredient

6 hours ago, gillenator said:

Yes I did recover however the whole process took almost 9 months before enough new hair growth covered the barren area.

So it made u shed to the point of bare scalp in certain areas?

2 hours ago, elduterino said:

What would  be the point of going on forums to ask advice from other members, just be told "read the package"..I'm pretty sure he is aware of this option.

 

And yes, I also did store my Flutagel, - which was the topical flutamide in a gel, to reduce systemic absorption - in the fridge back then as well, around 2008 .and  it did work for hair , but gave me strong sexual side effects after a while, which I also documented on the forums. We have better options now. 

Maybe knocking some sense into him so he can be cautious and not risk it?

what proof do u have that storing fin or min in the fridge is ok? I trust the manufacturer over your anecdotal evidence

3 hours ago, asterix0 said:

I think the whole point is that there appears to be a novelty in the mechanism that allows for this high graft extraction. But since little has been explained so far, that is why I made this thread, to hopefully obtain some more information about it.

His results page has very clear images and the donor and recipient areas look immaculate. I could not identify any camera tricks, combovers, or similar shenanigans. 

The argument of it being unheard of doesn't really make sense, since it is a new type of procedure. We should expect different results, but in this case they just appear to be extremely good. 

Again, I have no horse in this race I am just a prospective patient who is doing my research and due diligence. And these results are the best I have ever seen for high Norwoods. 

Again, it’s not about tools. You have a certain number of follicular units in your safe donor area. Depending on hair characteristics and density you can take 40-60% if those grafts on average without it looking too depleted. There’s absolutely no way he can do this for an average patient. I don’t care what the tool is or if he’s using a punch so small that he’s only taking skeletonized grafts.

if his tool was this amazing he would be selling that and making a killing, not doing hair transplants for a living. Umar tried selling his punch systems and i have heard of no surgeon that uses it yet many use the waw, Cole, and Harris systems.

3 hours ago, aaron1234 said:

I took a look at his website and I'm stunned at how untouched the donor area appears on his NW7 patients who had 12k grafts.  This is simply impossible.  He must be incorporating body hair, but it's not clearly stated (many descriptions are in Bulgarian).

Something is off. Why can pioneers in the industry not get nearly this many grafts yet this random dude from Bulgaria That’s Been doing hts for 10 years or less have the magic bullet? I remember umar gained his reputation around 2007-2008 like this but his 15 minutes r fame r long gone.

36 minutes ago, asterix0 said:

 

Do you see anything suspicious in his results page that would make you suspect otherwise? The pictures he included are all high resolution, with good lighting. 

I don't see anything exceptional about the patients donor characteristics, but maybe I'm missing something. 

Hair transplants are simply a case of supply and demand. He’s showing patients with 12 and 13k Grafts With fue which is unheard of. There are rarely patients that have more than 10k grafts doing both fut+fue. There is no magic punch system that can get patients to those high graft numbers without being SEVERELY depleted. Your hair density and characteristics play a huge role in the available donor supply and results. Something just doesn’t add up. Second, there is no other explanation in either link on why he is able to reach those high graft numbers. 
 

secondly, vacuum pressure in no way can be good for fue grafts. The grafts already see lots of stresses from torsion and compression, adding another stress from the traction of vacuum pressure just can’t be good.

2 hours ago, Lakershead22 said:

I was thinking of doing this....but the suggested temp for Fin is room temp. I may try this.

I’d follow what the label says (they did develop the drug after all), not what a random forum bro tells you

On 9/3/2020 at 3:54 AM, Vpac said:

Back to the original question...

For the hairline, the best in Turkey is most likely Keser from the results I have seen. I just wish they were more cases, not enough are posted on this and other forums. The fact is he does everything himself, that is a big big plus.

ASMED or HLC - it depends on you. Do you want to put trust in Dr Koray and his technique, they are probably the most popular clinic in the world doing 4-5 patients a day. State of the art clinic, and countless testimonials. He's had a bit of a bad rep lately, but just think how many people post results from there compared to others. There's probably like 30 Keser cases I can find online but hundreds from Asmed.

With HLC the doctors perform the entire operation, so you have that piece of mind. Who the doctors are and how long they've performed FUE, you will have to investigate that yourself.

Eh....holding asmed in the same conversation as hlc is comical to me at this point, especially since they’re the same price. Turkey is full of Syrian refugees and young people looking for work so clinics have unlimited supply of techs they can hire. Yet hlc still chooses for all work to be performed by a doctor using the most labor intensive methods (manual fue and stick & place). This speaks volumes to me.

with the amount of bad results and complaints from asmed, it’s straight up playing Russian roulette (imo of course). There’s a reason they were removed from here

On 9/2/2020 at 1:25 AM, karatekid said:

If you refer to my post, I have no idea what you talking about. If anything, I was talking in the favor of the doctor, I said that we judge by a tiny fraction of his cases and it is wrong.

And why you say we beating dead horse? why is he a dead horse and who says we beating him? I think this is a legit discussion about a great doctor, that we aware of his 2 misconducted cases, and we want to know why does it happen and what are the chances it will happen for a new patient. As someone that consider him for upcoming surgery I find it important. And of course there is something to explain - why didnt he find out those problems before the surgery?  Are those super exceptional cases for some specific reasons or is it something that has high chances to occur again?

One thing you are right though, this thread is probably not the place for this discussion

Bad results r one thing but dishonest and unethical behavior is entirely something else. pekiners clinic and advisor did shady things on this forum and have patients censored on others. The patient advisor tried to do the same here but was promptly told to go pound sand by the management which was a great move. I understand Melvin’s frustration Bc dealing with piece of shit ppl like the advisor can get quite tiresome