HairJo

Thanks home1212 I appreciate your words it is time to move on I agree

I believe the questions were answered by Dr. Feller and I'm tired of this site it just goes on and on . If you need to know everything about Dr. Feller call his office or make a consult then he can talk to you directly if you have any questions that's what I would do if I had concerns.

I want to know too

To Stig,

Typical answer lots of words, convenient lack of understanding, deliberate omissions and tons of misdirection double standards . Who do you think you are fooling buddy ? Ask if Dr. Ron Shapiro is going to be the one who makes the FUE incisions before his staff remove the grafts. Technicians may help pull the grafts from the skin but they are not allowed to make the initial incisions that had to be done by the doctor. I don't care what happens in other countries like with Dr. Lorenzo. This is just another distraction what a joke this is and by the way I'm allowed to tell jokes according to Swooping I'm just a Clown

To Stig,

Typical answer lots of words, convenient lack of understanding, deliberate omissions and tons of misdirection double standards . Who do you think you are fooling buddy ? Ask if Dr. Ron Shapiro is going to be the one who makes the FUE incisions before his staff remove the grafts. Technicians may help pull the grafts from the skin but they are not allowed to make the initial incisions that had to be done by the doctor. I don't care what happens in other countries like with Dr. Lorenzo. This is just another distraction what a joke this is and by the way I'm allowed to tell jokes according to Swooping I'm just a Clown

To swooping.

Unbelievable when anyone defends Dr. Feller he's a shill I think most of you should look in the mirror and if you want tickets to the circus I'd be happy to send them to you or are we already at the circus here.

Hair Jo what is your affiliation with Dr. Feller? I've noticed your post history is a bit alarming, the majority of your posts are in either adoration or in defense of Dr. Feller, has he appointed you his guardian and defender? Or are you a proxy for the clinic?

 

Being completely neutral, I think the questions that have been raised are certainly valid concerns, remember this is a public forum, so potential patients of Dr. Feller may read this thread and it maybe educational and a good way to know the clinics policies. The questions and or concerns doesnt necessarily affect potential patients or clientele, everybody knows hair restoration is a team effort, and a surgeon with a good team will have good results, the questions that have been asked have not painted Dr. Fellers results in a bad light at all.

I know Dr. Feller through two of my friends who had Ht's done by Dr. Feller and I sat in his office and watched like a hawk what was going on because when I am well enough I'm going to use Dr. Feller because my friends results are awesome . I consulted with Dr. Feller and he was very kind and thoughtful my friends are very happy he changed their lives

and I want to defend him because it seems to me he obviosly gets attacked on this site by the same people over and over again and I don't see the side of him or his clinic that you see. My friends had no problem and to me he's wrongly attacked every day and I can't understand why every other HT clinic can have partners but he can't why is he only singled out every single time

You do realize that both moderators have raised the same questions that I and others have, right? I dont need to substantiate my concerns.

And you do know that the questions that the moderator asked were answered by D. Feller. You are now asking questions that the moderator didn't even ask, so I'm asking you and esrec to ask the same questions to Dr. Shapiro and every other doctor. esrec won't because Dr. Shapiro is his doctor. What's your excuse?. And by the way you're saying I'm rude and nasty try thinking about the way you come across and the things you rant about.

I'm not going to dignify your unwarranted attack on me. My intentions are sincere and yours appear questionable. You're on the offensive-I'm uninterested.

 

Stig and 911fan summarized my stance quite eloquently. I'm good.

so youre better than me, you just decide the conversation is closed without answering simple quesitons. What are you, my dad when I asked to use the car as a teenager? talk about arrogant. you get got on applying double standards and back out of the original topic. won't answer any questions about your own doctor but go after another doctor like he wronged you personally. Sounds fishy to me. your intentions are obvious, but definitely not sincere. To be clear, when the tough questions are about feller, all is fine, but when they're about your doctor they are attacks not worthy of response. yeah right.

Hi HairJo,

 

I am not demanding anything, just asking the tough questions. There is a difference between Dr Feller and Dr Ron Shapiro. When you go to Shapiro medical, every patient can walk in and elect to choose Dr Ron Shapiro as their surgeon. Dr Feller has just conceded that no patient can walk into his clinic and select only him as his surgeon. I have no issue with Dr Feller executing his procedures the way he does, and as I have stated previously, I am not trying to dictate how he run's his own practice. I don't disagree with Bill's conclusion that Dr Feller's recommendation is not impacted if he is in fact directly supervising the work of Dr Bloxham. My issue is the fact that Dr Feller has danced around this question, and I think it is very relevant to understand the level of his direct supervision (Bill's words). If Dr Feller is not in the room with Dr Bloxham monitoring and supervising him during the most critical aspect of the surgery which is the incision making process, then in my opinion I believe his recommendation has been compromised. Why has it been compromised you ask? Because the recommendation is based on the skills of Dr Feller performing the surgery, and seeing that when any patient selects Dr Feller based on this site, he is in fact subjecting himself to the possibility of Dr Bloxham, a non-recommended surgeon, performing the critical aspects of the surgery without the direct supervision of Dr Feller. To me, seeing that the patient has no say in Dr Feller performing the critical aspect of the surgery, he is not really able to get the quality results driving the recommendation. My view could change if Dr Feller answers my questions and is in fact heavily involved in supervising Dr Bloxham during the most critical aspects of the surgery, although it is pushing the line. Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. If he selects a young prot?g? and hand trains himself, when that prot?g? plays in a game, you cannot say you are watching Payton Manning are you?

and i'm asking you why the questions you ask of dr feller are not asked of smg. and how do you know so much of what goes on at smg? do you work there? have you worked there? the same tough questions you ask of feller should be asked of every coalition doctor. when dr paul was being trained by dr ron did pateints know dr paul would be working on them? or did he work under his brother as a doctor assistant? you think dr ron sent out fliers to all patients saying my brother is training under me so check the box if you dont want him to touch you? you want answers from feller for bringing in a doctor to assist in procedures, how about dr ron who used technicians to do fue procedures? no inquisition there? why? its a fact. or do you deny it? why aren't you asking dr ron if he sat next to dr paul during surgery with magnifiers as he was training. you always ride feller. your motives are obvious you phony. who are you to say what the critical aspect of surgery is? are you a doctor? you make it up and then run with it. youre going after feller for having bloxham do recipient holes but don't say a word about dr josephitis doing fue extractions that seem to me to be far more difficult. what a two face you are. what about smg using a technician for years to do extractions. sounds like a non doctor doing doctor work to me. no problem for you though it seems. What about coaliton doctors who use artas. Is the robot a coalition member? When are you starting a topic on Bernstein using Aratas or Alexander and that there coalition staus should be in question? never i'm sure. If I were feller I'd ignore you also.

You contiue to miss the point of transparency.

 

I never once said anything negative about either doctor. I've questioned the transparency just as everyone else has. I've also never frowned on helping to bring a young and talented surgeon up through the ranks. I've simply asked, as others have, to have transparency throughout the process. You seem VERY defensive of Dr. Feller. It's not ok to ask tough questions? I'm a big fan of his and he's helped me which I've mentioned before.

 

If and when Dr. Ron participated with these surgeons as they were developing, as he surely did, the patients were fully aware. The selected their surgeon and maybe received additional guidance by the most seasoned one. I have consent forms if you'd like evidence.

 

That's the difference. This patient supposedly felt duped. He felt he had selected one doctor and got another. I don't think this was intended, but this is what happened. Surely you grasp this and understand why we'd like to know more.

 

Separately, I agree that all recommendations should come with merit. A small subset of the HT population comes here, but when they do, this distinction should be made.

You sure dance around like a jumping bean. You didn't answer any of my questions. If youre a big fan of fellers he certainly doesn't need enemies. You asked questions of him that should be asked of your doctor first if you are going to make yourself into a self appointed hair transplant prosecutor.

Do you have the consent forms given out when Dr. Paul was being trained years ago? no. Do you have the consent form for getting an fue at smg even though you got fut. are they the same forms? no. and that wasnt' good enough for you anyway. were you assured that dr josephitis would not be working on you before you visited the office when you were interested in fue? I doubt it. If you went for an fue, would you be given the choice for dr jospehitis not to do it? but that only dr. ron would do it? would you have known this before you got on a plane. no. Where's the the transparency here? The truth is you have no idea what goes on at shapiro medical group anymore than you do at any other HT doctors office including dr feller's. you had one transplant and spend all your time on a forum. what do you know? nothing.

You have no idea what feller's patient felt. He wrote a disgusting post full of threats and then pulled the entire thing down. you have no idea what he was thinking or what really happened, you just assumed it and ran with it. the posts were removed by the patient and he was banned. shouldn't you give the credibility to feller and not a person who took down his own words? Right here you claim the patient went to get one doctor but got the other. you made that up. you have no idea what actually happened and feller came on here and said the patient got both doctors. you think a doctor is going to lie about that?

You want transparency, give it to us concerning your own doctor first. by your mind dr feller's coalition status should be in question so shouldn't both dr ron and dr pauls coaltion status be in question? You don't think all the years Dr. Ron used a technician to remove FUEs the patients thought the doctor was going to do the extractions himself? you think they knew that before they got to the clinic? . you have no problem with that? Get the consent forms they used when they had a technician do the fues if you want to give evidence. good luck getting them.

So answer my question. shouldn't dr ron and dr paul be held to the same standards you are holding feller to? or is it ok if its your doctor, or just because you say so?

Precisely. We've attempted to articulate this numerous times but we continue to dance around it. You cannot attach yourself to someone else without results and establish credility.

 

BTW it would be unfair to ban London for sarcasm. I dont see how that sends a message of fairness.

Esrec, do you feel Dr Ron Shapiro should have his Coalition status questioned? Isn't Dr. Josephitis a new doctor attached to Shaprio Medical ? He has no results or established credibility. You are all over Feller, are you going to ask your doctor whats up and make him come online to answer to you? Here's the link to Dr. Ron Shapiro's new doctor. See for yourself-

Dr. David Josephitis -

(sorry I don't know how to make it into a link. Maybe a moderator can help).

Isn't it hypocritical that you only single out feller and not your own doctor when its a clear thing hes doing the same thing?

How about when he brought on Dr. Paul ? How do you think Dr. Paul learned? Think doing HT transplants was just uploaded to him over night? Or did his brother teach him on his actual patients like an internship? Wasn't he attached to his brother with no results or credibility? Should Dr. Ron's Coalition status be questioned for that now? are you going to call for that? Here is Dr. Paul's page on the SMG website. In the second video he says his brother taught him, thought he was good, and took him into the practice. Should Dr. Ron's Coalition status been taken taken away then because the introduction of his brother diluted the practice? He had no results and no credibility.

Here's the link-

Paul Shapiro, MD -

You think Dr. Paul learned how to do HTs by magic? He learned on his brothers patients with his brother guiding him. Did he get special consent to do this? How about Dr. Josephitis ? If you want FUE and you want only Dr. Ron to do it, will he? In the past he had a technician doing the fue extractions. not a doctor. a technician. was the technician a coalition member by backdoor proxy? did smg offer a discount for the non doctor fue technician? who are you to question a doctor like feller, a doctor you don't know and never met, but not make the same public demands of your own doctor?

Here's a link to an fue result by smg. who did the work? and I see that the shapiro medical team was given the credit. there is dr josephitis in the team, but hes not a coalition member. is he taking credit for this fue? did he do it? was this or is this a deception that the moderators should be informed of? Did the fue patient pay less because dr josphitis was on the team? You asked this of feller, why not of your own doctor?

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/182143-shapiro-medical-1yr-fue-result-matt-zupan.html

Stig you demand to know how feller trains his people. you aren't ever going to go to him for a surgery but you take every shot at him you can. shouldnt you be asking Dr. Ron how he trained dr paul and now dr. josephitis? shouldn't you ask if he sits there and watches his technician extracting fues with a magnifier? Is that what hes doing with dr. Josephitis now? you never seem interested in how he trains his new doctors. but you're all over feller. Bill is right, people come on here just to give dr feller a hard time and you are the top of the list. If you are going to make such demands of feller, why not make them of dr shapiro. you love him so much you push him everytime anyone asks for a recommendation, shouldn't you assure everyone he's training his new people properly and answer to you on demand?

What credentials does this forum have anyway to pick and choose who does what in their office ? Why do doctors have to be ruled by this organization and have their reputations torn apart. If I were a doctor I wouldn't want the every day hassle of trying to prove myself and my work on a daily basis . Is this site judged by the hair Gods and only certain doctors can get good recommendations even with sub par work. The doctor is only excellent if the forum agrees . Most people just go by good results they go to the doctors personal site and look at before and afters. Most people wouldn't even engage in this he said she said crap to me it's just attaching one doctor to make another doctor look better. to me this site confuses people it's never positive unless they choose it to be positive most of the time I think it hurts doctors who have worked so hard and all it takes is a couple of nasty posts from nasty people to hurt someones business.

Not to get off track here but if you go to some plastic surgeons or dermatologist for an HT chances are the Techs do the whole procedures from taking the strip out to making the sites and placing the grafts usually small cases but I know this as a fact patients meet with the doctor and then a tech does the whole procedure. So newbies beware

The questions were answered on the Cyborg thread

Finally a descent post . I hope your questions will be answered

my own personal experience when I got my first job as a lab technologist I almost didn't get hired because I had no real experience my boss gave me the chance and I became better than anyone else in the entire laboratory within 2 months my boss had enough confidence in me to let me run the whole show . I did my best to prove to myself and everyone that I could do it once trained . If you have prior medical training in college you should know enough to be prepared for your field and start working you want to do your very best and I know that's what Dr. Bloxham is doing his very best because he follows Dr. Feller's lead he has been trained by one of the best and I'm sure Dr. Feller would NEVER let him do surgery if he wasn't capable. I really never see any other doctor get blasted every time he posts it seems very suspicious to me that the same select few keep attacking him doesn't it seem obvious to every one else or are you all a part of the get Feller conspiracy. He can post all his good work all his new procedures his new partner and all you do is pick him apart . I don't even know why a doctor of his stature would even want to fight a bunch of no nothing bully's on steroids . Why don't you all wait and see how well Bloxham does but I'm sure even if he puts out stellar results you and you know the group I'm talking about will pick .pick ,pick him to death . I think this is a set up to interfere with Dr. Feller's practice and no matter what he says or does you are all waiting to tear him up with your ugly posts . This is not an enjoyable site it's pretty disturbing . Why aren't you going after other doctors with partners it makes no sense that it's always Dr. Feller you attack . Frankly it's getting redundant and a bit boring . Maybe you should find some doctor that does crappy work and put your focus on them . Nope you only go after the same doctor once again BORING . All people want to see is great results all this other stuff is just doctor bashing from a few people who have nothing better to do unless maybe this is there daily JOB

I guess Bosley and Matt Levitt did all the thousands of patients themselves in all their clinics. Doctors that become very successful have to expand their practice I believe if you have been trained by that doctor you will mirror his work and his style or you would not be selected to represent the name. No doctor in his right mind would want to hire someone that wasn't as qualified and could keep up the good name and image of the clinic. I know Dr. Feller is a perfectionist and any doctor he would add to his practice would have to be exceptional .

To me I'd say he gt about 1400 grafts very large pluggy looking grafts. For free I'd say at least he has a base to work with and do another procedure and fill it in but then again with one great procedure he would have not wasted his donor area. To me he has no choice but to do another procedure to fix it so you never get anything for free. Cheap is expensive

How is my density,how many grafts do you think you can get , how much does it cost. should I get an HT vs FUE which procedure would give me the Best results these are some of the questions I would ask

Fantastic results I'd be so happy to look like that

nice socks

Have you considered a traditional HT strip method. You might really want to consider that option before you commit to FUE. I think you would get a better result just my opinion but I've seen some pretty bad FUE videos with the handling and the extractions . I personally would check out Dr. Feller in New York he does both methods and is one of the top docs.Good luck to you .

Do you still have enough donor to do a FUT if that's the case I would go that route with a reputable doctor maybe FUE is not the procedure that works for you . Good luck to you

Thanks I'm glad you understand how hurtful it is to be called a liar