jonnyalex

9 hours ago, HTHope said:

I believe they’ve done it before with hakan dogonay 

He was recommended here ?! How could that have happened ?!

38 minutes ago, dust78 said:

Sorry Melvin, but how can you think that offering a smp is standing by the patient? I spent 17500 euros between two surgery, and with the second one they made a stupid and childish mistake, because the doctor think he is god and can extract as many grafts as he wants, they  f** up my donor, and the solution is a smp??? Do you know how much money dr. Koray he is doing, do you know how rich this man is?and he can’t refund a person who had a problem not because he had a bad regrowth,but because the doctor went completely crazy and didn’t understand anything about what he was doing. Is simply a miserable attitude , a man without a minimum of heart and empathy. Apart the fact that in general every clinic should refund a patient that didn’t  have a decent regrowth, for the simply reason that if a clinic has in general good results refunding a bad result wouldn’t be an economical problem and it would be ethically correct as the patient didn’t have what he paid for. In my case it should be a rule, you doctor mess up with my donor is your fault, next time pay more attention in your work and do it the right way. Smp?? Crazy and absurd really!

Rich enough to have ASMED plastered around the entire last El Clasico game. That's serious money for sure.

6 minutes ago, TrixGlendevon said:

Whilst I agree with your general point, I don't think he ever mentioned banning you - either explicitly or implicitly.

Maybe, but that fact that it's even being mentioned around the subject just seems odd quite frankly. 

20 minutes ago, TrixGlendevon said:

Not really Melvin - there are a few posts from people like @miko but you always conveniently ignore them. I have also never seen you address the point about the law suits. Going with ASMED is Russian Roulette and I would extend that to Turkey overall but as they pay the site 10k a month for recommendation, they will be protected. 

10,000 per month? Is this true?

42 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

As far as I’m aware, every single patient is offered a touch-up. From what I was told they offered dust78 smp for the donor if it doesn’t improve. To me that’s standing by the patient. Not standing by the patient would be ignoring them, and refusing to help in anyway. 

Sure there are people like @jonnyalex who constantly denigrate this forum, because he doesn’t like this doctor. Never once have I censored him or told him not to voice his opinion. If he wants to believe were all about money, not sure why he returns, guess we must be of some value for him to come back. 

Anyways, I’m tired of this being the asmed show. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I’m sharing my own opinion, with proof that recent results have been good and some even outstanding. I don’t think its fair to only validate unhappy patients, and ignore happy patients. We should take everything into account, the good, bad, and ugly. That’s all I’m saying. 

Honestly that's a pretty childish thing to say Melvin. I don't have anything against the Doctor. He is actually one of the best in the world. It's the way in which he operates that ensures patients don't receive his expertise. Instead it is about maximising profits above all. I went to ASMED because of this forum years ago. I am dealing now with incorrect hair direction various other issues caused by techs barely out of their teens operating on me and Koray Erdoğan having barely any involvement. It was a year after my surgery I begin seeing complaints not just here but all over the Internet. 

According to you however, I simply don't like the doctor which is why I speak negatively towards him.

It is not just ASMED but all of Turkey's hair transplant industry which has pretty much contaminated the industry worldwide. The fact that your even mentioned banning me in the same sentence is very telling however. Go ahead if that's how you want to be.

I literally mention in what you are responding to, why I use this forum. 

Also, offering SMP which can sometimes last barely a year does not recompense a destroyed donor area. I don't know how you could think that.

19 minutes ago, Egy said:

if you talk like that, it means that you don't know other forums, especially the european ones, those not only don't give you the opportunity to speak as you are talking now because they ban you, but in agreement with the clinics, delete patient reports  not happy.

But I do know them and I know they are the same if not worse. I'm simply stating that once money changes hands, its impossible to remain unbiased. My post wasn't a comparison to other forums.

1 hour ago, Portugal25 said:

@Melvin-Moderator you were the one that said that a good doctor is measured by the way he handles a bad result and it seems obvious that ASMED was negligent towards several patients with bad results.

Why do you only want us to focus on the patient that weren’t threatened with layers or handled negligently? Are you saying we just always focus on happy patients when researching clinics? I ask this because it’s a 180 degrees change on your own advice...

@dust78 has now stated that ASMED is doing surgery on 8 patients per day so how can you assure that all of the 8 patients operated every day at ASMED will have a good chance of getting good results?
You don’t know these 8 tech teams because you said earlier today that the member who stated ASMED was doing 8 patients per day was lying!

I’m really concerned that pretty soon you will also be recommending Cinik all inclusive packages for tech run surgeries...

These hairmills get a lot of revenue from having 8 or more patients per day and if they can now buy HRN it’s really a concern for me because this is supposed to be the most honest and unbiased forum!

I wouldn't stress too much and just accept it. ASMED are bulletproof here and always will be. They could scalp a guy and they would be defended here. 

They were on the verge of recommending Dr Cinik, true, which is absolutely disgusting to be honest. A couple of good results posted on here should not be enough to propose a doctor recommendation. I absolutely guarantee you that he is known as a joke among his peers in the industry. The fact that it took a recommendation thread for the owners to even realise that his clinic perform surgery without the doctors involvement is just....Well all I can say is that shows the research that goes into a recommendation. 

You have to understand that here should be solely used to view photos of hair transplants, nothing more. The more doctors that are recommended here, the more money the owners earn. This system can never be truly unbiased. It means the very best doctors are not recommended unless they 'cough' up.

This website is a 'for profit' operation. 

A big plus however is that this site allows patients to post results from doctors who aren't recommended. It also promotes free speech which is good.

On 5/1/2020 at 9:41 PM, HTHope said:

Personally...the only clinic I’d consider In Turkey would be hlc. Only doctors do the work, stick and place technique, modern tools and facilities, manual fue, emphasis on donor management, they hold training workshops themselves, smp and bht performed there as well. They have their own condo for patients to stay at nearby. But their costs are likely more than anyone on your list at 2.7 euros per graft.

This. The other doctors the OP mentioned are absolute pants and/or hair transplant factories. 

3 hours ago, bismarck said:

You made the right choice--I would place Hattingen with the 'hyper-elites' of transplantation (ie. with Couto, Konior, Keser, Hasson and Lorenzo). Their clinic has an almost obsessive level of attention to detail that I have rarely seen elsewhere. 

I believe the surgeon(s) are actually Laura and Severe Muresanu a husband/wife duo. Hattingen is the town and clinic where they operate.

This is FUT, correct? And what medical hair loss treatments have you tried or are you using? Are you on finasteride/dutasteride, ketoconazole or minoxidil?

Please keep us updated, I think you are going to have an amazing result by the end of the quarantine.

 

Hattingen is actually a town in Germany from where they began years ago. They now operate out of Schaffhausen, a small, picturesque town in Switzerland

1 minute ago, jonnyalex said:

Which makes me question most of his results. He doesn't use microscopes and put multiples all over my hairline. I asked his translator,  who was suppose to keep in touch ( he never did ) and he said " I also have multiples in my hairline also , who do I blame ? God ? ". He has never had a hair transplant and thinks that multi hair grafts appear in your frontal like naturally. Need I say more ? 

It was clear to me that he was sick of answering this question from people concerning this and it is obviousy a common complaint with them.

8 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

Wait...keser did you wrong too? If so that’s quite eye opening as he’s viewed as one of the best on this site and others for smaller cases

Which makes me question most of his results. He doesn't use microscopes and put multiples all over my hairline. I asked his translator,  who was suppose to keep in touch ( he never did ) and he said " I also have multiples in my hairline also , who do I blame ? God ? ". He has never had a hair transplant and thinks that multi hair grafts appear in your frontal like naturally. Need I say more ? 

It was clear to me that he was sick of answering this question from people and it is obviousy a common complaint with them.

On 3/11/2020 at 11:46 AM, TrixGlendevon said:

I am sorry that you had a bad experience in Turkey but, as an ex-patient of theirs, I am glad Sever and Laura are helping you and they are getting the recognition they deserve on this forum it seems. Is he just correcting Asmed's work or will you have a procedure with them?

I still don't know why people take risks with hair transplants and go to somewhere where it is cheap. I was Turkey in January and the amount of people walking around, quite openly, with hair transplants was amazing. Most of them looked like they are not going to be happy in 6-12 months either. Just save up more money and wait a bit longer to go somewhere else!!!

I was young and stupid and thought I was being smart with ASMED. They were highly recommended here and I thought I could get a top class hair transplant if I paid slightly more than the Turkish standard price. It simply doesn't work that way.

19 hours ago, transplantedphil said:

Thats phenomenal ... I always feel so happy when i hear of docs in this industry that truly seem to care about what they do, and am also happy they can help you out of your situation. Best of luck!

There are a few of them out there thankfully! It's a toxic industry but I believe there are some good guys left

On 3/11/2020 at 2:45 PM, TrixGlendevon said:

Yeah I did the video consultation too. Whilst better than pictures, I still don't think anything beats an in person one and flew out there a month before getting mine done just to have him inspect me and see what the hairline would be like.

Also the vibe I get. Will your procedure be FUE or FUT if you do get it done? I have never looked at their FUE results as I have never intended to get an FUE but my FUT was amazing (results on here if you are interested) with them. Will probably go back end of this year for a second one. 

I think people seem to have this idea that if a HT clinic have been working with FUT for years and not so long with FUE, they are not as good at the latter. This belief is odd to me. FUE is simply an extraction method. One simply yields much more than the other. 

For example, H&W didn't perform FUE for as long as others but they are far superior to nearly anyone else at FUE. It is the same with Hattingen, only they don't aggressivly market themselves. So FUE results should be the same as FUT results if you talking about the same graft count. The key is in the ability and artistry of the surgeon and the tools they use. 

Interestingly, the doctor said I would have been a candidate for a 6500 graft FUT due to my scalp laxicity. Unfortunately I have already has 5500 FUE grafts taken so that is no longer an option. He did say that I could still have a 2500 FUT in the future and that I had 1500 FUE grafts left ( which surprised me ). He said this in regard to future hairloss however and this time I will only have a small FUE using fine hairs to make the hairline I got from ASMED appear more natural.

Here is a recent FUE result they posted. I don't think it gets much better than this. There is no dodgy lighting , ultra favourable hair characteristics or nonsense and that is why I chose them.

I would add to this that anyone considering a HT should cross those who don't use high powered microscopes OFF their list. It is an ESSENTIAL part of hair restoration surgery and no way in HELL should a clinic who doesn't use them EVER be recommeded. I learnt this the hard way. This first part of my surgery was removing all the doubles and triples placed in hairline by ASMED and Dr Keser ( ASMED didn't use microscopes in 2015 during my surgery). ASMED also placed hair facing the polar opposite direction which has to be removed.

On 1/30/2020 at 3:01 PM, Der3k7 said:

Damn look at these results by couto...

Notice how nearly all the the incredible transformations videos Coutos marketing team use are with Spanish patients with very dark, thick and coarse characteristics? These characteristics, which are also similar to Indian hair characteristics allow for the best transformations. The difference this makes should not be underestimated

2 hours ago, TrixGlendevon said:

I am sorry that you had a bad experience in Turkey but, as an ex-patient of theirs, I am glad Sever and Laura are helping you and they are getting the recognition they deserve on this forum it seems. Is he just correcting Asmed's work or will you have a procedure with them?

I still don't know why people take risks with hair transplants and go to somewhere where it is cheap. I was Turkey in January and the amount of people walking around, quite openly, with hair transplants was amazing. Most of them looked like they are not going to be happy in 6-12 months either. Just save up more money and wait a bit longer to go somewhere else!!!

He gave me a free 40 minute video consultation via Skype to discuss the issue then I ended up flying out soon after. I'm going to have a minor procedure with him as the extractions have healed so well. He even stated that maybe I would be happy with just the bad grafts removed, meaning they would not make a penny from me. 

The overall vibe was the guy seemed mostly eager to help me rather than to make as much as they can out of me.

On 3/7/2020 at 8:18 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

If you’re willing to travel, I would add Hattinten Dr. Muresanu to your list, I believe he charges $3 per graft. He’s ethical, which is truly important.

This guy is sorting out my mess from Turkish clinics. He already removed all the doubles and triples inserted by ASMED for free as well as removing grafts placed in wrong direction. You couldn't be more right when stating this clinic are ethical. The location is also fantastic. It's good to see the moderator of this forum recognising the talents of clinics who don't aggressively market themselves.

Because of what you said about how Pekineer was conducting himself, that leaves me with no doubt in my mind that there is only 1 clinic left worth considering in Turkey worth considering. That is HLC. 

Turkey is the cesspit of the hair transplant industry and it is time people were more vocal about it.

8 hours ago, killa said:

Wait a very long minute. You're sayiing clinics pay this website to be able to be recommended on it?? Tf??? Ok I'm getting spaced out in the mind now. If thats true and trust me I'm not disbelieving you since this is the 1st time reading this, but is this site  funded by clinics or am i wrong about that?

I'm very confused and possibly disaappointed now. Let me know that and hope you can support that claim. Again I'm not disbelieving you since its possible but I'd like to know for sure.

Yes, it is funded by their payments. Others will confirm this.

On 2/15/2020 at 11:47 PM, killa said:

Ok I understand. But it doesnt make sense for a forum thats out here helping people to do that. I cant comment on how the forum handled your case. But maybe it was the way you complained about it, but I dont know just saying. But let me know or pm me the clinic or page in question. i can look into it and judge for myselfs.

Surgeon's have to pay for their recommendation here. If they don't pay they don't get recommended, even if they are the best in the world. In my opinion, some clinics here have far too many poor results to justify being recommended. It's all about money, not about helping people. It should be used as a source to view before and afters, nothing more.

5 hours ago, StantonNY said:

Here you can find he is being recommended-

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physician/surgeon-list/TKY/Turkey

Check this out -

https://bforvendetta2.wordpress.com/2017/07/10/william-seemiller-william-charles/

The HRN site owner has since left but i imagine he has different alias on here the faggot.

Holy crap.. this explains alot

22 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

Great result. But again I’m wondering why extractions are limited to occipital and parietal areas only? Arent the single grafts and thinner hairs for the front hairline more available in the temporal areas?

Indian hair characteristics are literally the very best for hair transplantation and extremely forgiving.    

Just do it. It lasts for 5 years at most. If you don't like it, it will fade away. 

These guys are bulletproof on this forum sadly. This is another of the countless examples of poor hairline work performed by ASMED. 

I think JayLDD is right in stating that even top doctors don't implant or extract. Having assistants to look at the grafts under microscopes is also important. The big difference is you can end up with inexperienced teenagers at ASMED. Many are so young that it is not possible they have much experience. At H&W for example, the assistants have decades of experience.

I think at this point, after all the negative patient posts regarding work done at ASMED, it's burying your head in the sand to claim there is not a problem. Some of the hairline work he is producing is absolutely atrocious and there is a strong rumor that he is performing 9 surgery's per day. It is therefore clear why he has the most ' patient results '. It is the very definition of a hair transplant factory, like it or not. I believe he began life as one of the best. Not now.

The only surgeons worth considering are in Ankara, not Istanbul. It's a shame because Ankara isn't a nice place. I think people should avoid Turkey entirely however. 

3 hours ago, Gabreille Nelson Mukhia said:

Every comment of yours is directed towards maligning the image of others. And I don't wish to debate with someone who would get personal and petty enough to comment on someone's choice to wear something as stupid as coloured lens. This is not a case and point situation. this is walking away from incessant negativity situation. Before teaching others what to say, you first learn to do the same. Will be helpful for you to come out of your delusional grandiosity. Anyways I hope you have made millions by trolling this way and getting paid. Bye paid troll.

What in god's name are you on about!? I have never commented on anyone's coloured contact lenses in my life. I have to assume you have got the wrong person. You've gone loony toons fella!