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Ko, will you reply my red herring to prove your authority? Do not sneak off, there is only one correct answer, know it and get my respect please. Your last chance and opportunity to prove your authority here in this forum. A challenge.

Ah, as usual, black knight rides to the offense and threat. Where had you replied my red herring before this thread? Show me now, then a big apologize will follow if you can do this? I have already begun to refute, I said I got caught moderators censorship. Hope, we can discuss all freely.

So, are all representatives shills? Spanker, Californian, Pete the Farjo, Denny......... or only MikroFUE? Are you insulting all or or just one of them? Ahh, I guess, just one of them, ha?

KO, Until we wait it, can you reply my question; PupDaddy could not say the correct answer and he has proved he is illiterate to become a HT authority here, Could you please prove your authority as a senior member? Here are 2 examples of channels/incisions, slits by lateral slit technique, which one is correct and why?? (I received both pictures from the forum) Clue for you: The answer is here in this forum, one of the respectful HT physician Dr. Alan Feller explained that, and one of the moderators posted his comments about that.

Ko, I replied but it got caught for moderator review. I hope the moderators review it and post it soon.

OK, I can not find a word to describe your personality and intellectual level and I will leave this to the readers -actual HT loss sufferers- of this thread. Surely they will appreciate. Anyway, if a technician hold the graft and put/insert/implant it to the hole/channel/slit/incision, this is invasive surgery, and we can say that one step of HT is done by technicians totally. Maral's representative said graft insertion is the most important step for graft survival, that means the core for HT success is done by technicians in all clinics. And for one important step, stage 1, graft extraction, very surgical process, we all know now that almost all clinics use technicians. Some examples; Feriduni, Rahal (he use inexperienced technicians), Lorenzo, Bhatti, Diep, Gabel, Erdogan, Doganay, yes one last patient of Doganay clearly stated that all graft extractions were done by a technician. So,if the most important steps of HT (step 1 and 3, graft extraction and insertion) are done by technicians and doctor only make incisions, is that logical to say that doctor does the operation? NO. If the answer is YES, the we can also say that Dr. Maral does the operation as well, simply by supervising, planning, thinking and most importantly assuming medicolegal responsibilities and giving his name to his own clinic, MARALHAIRKLINIK. Maral is plastic surgeon with HT license, others not. I hope you have taken the hint. You can be sure that readers take.

Question, You can be sure that pictures (mostly) may say lie.

Question, Mr Aze has just posted his 6th month progress, this is not the result, just the beginning and he is very happy with that up to now, and his result will come after his 2nd session, his donor after 4500+ grafts removal still shows very good density even with short haircut,he will get a 2nd session with 3000+ more grafts possibly, who closed NW7 up to now with one session? Why do you neglect this facts?? Read the first page of Mr Aze, one guy said him that his donor was bad,but it turned out to be good. Donor appearance with short hair cut (even with normal cut) does tell nothing, donor capacity can only be understandable at surgery. Anyway, this guy says just to avoid shiny bald head is enough for him, and even if his donor is weak, 2 FUE sessions with 3500 + 2000; total 5500 grafts can provide this. And after that if he wears donor hair long enough -2-3 cm, donor appearance will be the same. Anyway nothing can be quaranteed, you right, But nothing wrong to be optimistic rather than to be pessimistic at the beginning, No risk no gain.

your expectation looks realistic. You have NW7 and 2 session of FUE can even provide more than this Donor area potential for the maximum number of grafts can only be understandable during operation, to understand what the capacity of donors are, see this link; http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177919-4th-hair-transplant-3700-grafts-maral-clinic.html If your donor is weak, it may give 3000-3500 grafts in the 1st session and you may expect something like this; http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177240-fue-3150-grafts-grade-5-6-dr-maral-15-sep-2014-a.html If it is good, it may give 4000-4500 grafts and you can expect more, This guy looks like you and he seems to started with more than 4500 grafts, and even some guys did not recommend him HT, this may be your case. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174041-my-journey-dr-maral-march-2014-a.html If your donor is very good, you may begin like this; http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177534-fue-4750-grafts-grade-6-dr-maral-clinic-nov-23-2014-a.html http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177318-dr-maral-24-10-2014-5200-grafts-nw6.html http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177877-hair-transplant-dr-tugrul-maral-5200-grafts.html http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/172287-my-progress-dr-maral.html Good luck,your only chance is FUE and....... I think most clinics will reject you but....

Uhh, this is exactly means that technicians are doing insertions (or implantations). You are arguing about words of your native tongue yet but me whose 2nd language it is correct. Use a dictionary or look up incision and insertion/implantation on Google. Now, we can integrate this thread with this one; http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/178006-why-do-some-people-think-doctors-do-fue-better-than-techs-5.html Serious question; Are you so illiterate after 1700+ posts, or mentally retarded to a degree that you do not understand what you read, or deliberately trying to confuse everything just to attack and bash Maral. And don't tell me nobody attacked Maral Klinik, I have just read the post of your best friend PUP, he has admitted somebody have been attacking Maral and justified that - at least he is honest for that-, I am still laughing his reply, I will reply when I stop -LOL.

I think I explained/clarified the issue. So, during a particular operation, if graft extraction and graft implantation are done by technicians and physician does only open the channels, it is still acceptable to say the same physician does the operation.?

KO, All clinics use (except pen implantation which also does not need channel opening) technicians when it comes to graft implantation. This is the basic fact. Could you please answer to my question? What about if the doctor is a simple medical practitioner with no surgical training and legality for HT? What advantage over experienced technicians who can also open channels (incisions with your term)??

OK waiting, but please write simple, you know my English is not native.

OK then, you will be in good, experienced hands as Maral's. Good luck, hope you will start and post your thread. You will see this PUP and KO will not answer my clear legitimate questions. Do you bet?

Only plastic surgeons are licensed physicians for HT in Turkey. And Bahatti as a plastic surgeon does the same, operates Aesthetic Plastic surgey clinic (Darling Bud?) and performs cosmetic surgery operations as Maral does. All the same. But, here agresiveness is just for Maral, why? Just because he does not open the channels? -His partner with 10 years of experience open channels all the time as mentioned by clinic representative, and they proved that she can open 5000-5500 channels in one setting. PUPDADDY, , prove your authority as a senior member, Here are 2 examples of channels by lateral slit technique, which one is correct and why?? (I received both pictures from the forum)

Jim Hal, We all respect your decisions and convictions. Anyway you should understand the fact that unfair belligerence agains Maral has produced pretty defense here. I am just wondering if you would be certain that you would have the same or better result, would you prefer to have just your channels opened by a non-surgeon doctor, and willing to pay x5-10 more just for that?? (Extraction and implantaton will be done by technicians anywhere)

KO, My question, waiting your reply; What about if the doctor is a simple medical practitioner with no surgical training and legality?

Pen implantation or channel-forceps implantation. He referred implantation is the most crucial part for graft survival. Do we all agree that, implantation (excluding pen implantation) always done by technicians in every countries? (And less number of doctors use pen implantation, most of them use channel implantation) FUT surgeons almost never use pen implantation. Do you know why?

To clarify; I exclude pen implantation which is done by doctors also (generally but may be also done by technicians now). Here, I am only talking about channel opening (including FUT), and then graft implantation using microforceps. ( Lorenzo said graft implantation is the moct critical part of HT for graft survival) FUT doctors and FUE doctors who open channels and and then implant grafts always use technicians for graft implantation - HT basic fact from the beginning.

Agree with that. Congratulations, you sneaked off wisely. Will you reply my 2nd question?

The others also do not do the surgery, you know (Lorenzo said) implantation (always done by technicians) is the most important part for graft survival, then the graft extraction (mostly done by technicians). For the legality, responsibility is more important than whose hands-on. So Maral is more legal in his country. (Not in USA but he has no branch there)

You are wrong now. You fabricated a story, imagination. I did not do this, I did not even imply this. I know Maral personally. He never does the same thing others do. You can be sure of that. Anyway, you should accept the fact that, only opening the channels by a doctor is enough here to get esteem, but does this justify X5-10 costs? And what about if the doctor is a simple medical practitioner with no surgical training and legality?

Jim Hal, My recommendation; contact with Maral, learn the truth, then open your thread here to educate this whelp. My pleasure.

Yeah we all know, Maral plans, organizes and supervises the surgeries, his team performs, And, technicians also operate for extractions and implantations in another clinics including mentioned one, see here; http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/178006-why-do-some-people-think-doctors-do-fue-better-than-techs-4.html but; Did you ask about the reason -for the dramatic difference in price quotes - and learn about it or is this your fabricated story? The reason may be so different than your imagination. Arguing from anology does not work everytime. Maybe Dr. Maral thinks that his patients are smart enough, ha, is that a possibility also?

Good for you, and, considering Dr. Maral is an Aesthetic Plastic Surgeon, Maral Klinik is more legal than the others. I do not know but for the clinics if sponsored membership to this forum entitles more legality and anomoulos pricing?