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olmert

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  • Gender
    Male
  • Country
    United States
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    CA

Hair Loss Overview

  • Describe Your Hair Loss Pattern
    Thinning Hair Loss All over the Scalp
  • How long have you been losing your hair?
    10 years +
  • What Best Describes Your Goals?
    Considering Surgical Hair Restoration

Hair Loss Treatments

  • Have you ever had a hair transplant?
    No
  • Current Non-Surgical Treatment Regime
    Rogaine Extra Strength for Men

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  1. I certainly don't think the dut in anagenica has gone systemic in me. I tried finasteride pills and instantly lost all libido. I had to stop. Eventually I tried Anagencia, and my libido stayed high. When I tested my DHT, I found my DHT was much lower with the finasteride pill than with this topical. I feared Anagencia was not penetrating, so I started to microneedle before the Anagenica. Still, no reduction in libido.
  2. Not using Xyon. Using the competitor from Anagenica. It is much cheaper. Libido is great. I don't believe subjective assessments are reliable for whether a topical is growing hair, so I have no idea if it is doing anything. I started micro-needling before using the Anagenica because I skeptical any of it is penetrating. Even with the micro-needling, there is no libido loss, so I have my doubts that any of it is getting inside me.
  3. Pharmaceuticals cost a billion dollars to test in part because you need to test a large population to weed out natural fluctuation. This is why a study of only 10 people isn't much evidence of anything. The study probably means there is a 51% chance topical dutesteride decreases balding, and a 49% chance topical dutesteride does nothing. There is no money to test topical dutesteride with any degree of reliability--to get a figure any higher than 51%. I suppose my own outcome is even less evidence than a 10 person study. I definitely feel, though, that my libido is 10 times higher on topical dutesteride than it was on .2 mg/day of finasteride pills.
  4. The range of results from the study means just about any result will be considered "on par."
  5. @hairman804, @Melvin- Moderator, @asterix0, @DedLifts, it boggles my mind how 90% of people think they can subjectively tell whether Dutersteride worked. It has been studied extensively. 90% of people think they can tell the difference between coke and pepsi, but in blind tests only 10% of people can. https://daily.jstor.org/the-coca-cola-wars-can-anybody-really-tell-the-difference/ My evidence is not subjective. My objective DHT level went from 36 to 46 when I moved from pills to topical.
  6. Studies show people are very bad judges for these things. A better judge is something objective like your DHT count.
  7. I was taking .25 mg/day of Finasteride pills for many years. Then I went off it for 2 weeks and tested my DHT at 36. Then I used topical Dutesteride .1% (strongest one) from http://anagenica.com/ for a month. I tested my DHT at 46. I can tell you one thing. My sex drive was much lower with the .25 mg/day of Finasteride, and was super high when on the topical Dutesteride. Should I conclude the topical Dutesteride doesn't work? If the topical stuff is snake oil, then my DHT should not have gone up, but should have stayed the same. It is also possible there was still some finasteride pills in my system when I tested at 36. I only took 2 weeks off the pill for that test. I know Dr. Bhatti says in a Youtube that he doesn't think topical dutesteride/finasteride works. I'm fearing he is right. Bhatti's warning is two fold. 1. First most stuff you put on skin never penetrates down, so it does nothing. My DHT level makes me think this is the case. 2. Second, if topical dutesteride does penetrate, it might penetrate so well that it hits the blood and is the same as swallowing a pill. So just swallow a cheap pill.
  8. Anagenica's instructions say to start out once a week, and eventually rise to 3 times a week. I was bold and started at 3 times a week. I definitely felt sex effects. So I stopped taking it for 5 days, and the sex effects were gone, I think. I am going to compromise and try twice a week. If I were you, I would risk it and start with 3 times a week. It is true, though, that some people have gotten permanent sex effects from oral finasteride; it continued even after the pills stopped.
  9. Where do I get a script? What dosage is the script for?
  10. They emailed back "good morning, do you have a medical prescription?" What do I do? I'm nervous that they don't think they are allowed to send me the dutesteride.
  11. But I can't find topical dutesteride on the website you gave. Can you give a link to actual topical dutesteride?
  12. But where on this website is dutesteride?
  13. I didn't ignore anything. You gave multiple reasons. I said one reason sucked. I didn't comment on the other reasons because I had nothing to add on them. What is their website? I could not find it on google. I am trying to assess all my options, their costs, and estimated efficacy before deciding whether to take the plunge and go with the expensive Xyon. I also got to consider whether there is room in my budget for CosmeRNA. Using CosmeRNA and Xyon is one pretty penny.
  14. You've been duped by marketing. Xyon could, just as easily, have upped the price per bottle and totally gotten ride of all consult fees. That is actually what anagenica does. Now, there are good reasons not to get Xyon. Maybe you aren't rich, and Xyon costs the most. Also there will never be large scale studies to prove Xyon causes less systemic effects. But a very bad reason not to get Xyon is how they break up the price between bottles and consult fees. You're taking a stand on principle without realizing the only principle here is marketing.
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