FUE2014

My main gripe is with regard to post op care and buzz cutting your hair.

According to Bernstein’s study

https://www.bernsteinmedical.com/research/graft-anchoring-in-hair-transplantation/

“The study showed that for the first two days, pulling on a hair always resulted in a lost graft, but the chance of the graft being removed started to decrease by the third day. By the sixth day pulling on a hair would no longer dislodge the graft. Pulling on an adherent scab always resulted in a lost graft through day five, with the incidence decreasing through day eight. However, by nine days post-op, grafts were no longer at risk of being dislodged.”

Unless this study’s findings have been disproven (and I’m not aware that it has), why is there so much conflicting advice from HT doctors on when it is safe to buzz your grafts?

Hey Bill

 

As an AHD Clinic team yesterday we had meeting so outcome of the meeting was Dr. Hakan DOGANAY will perform 100 percent implantation please note that we use Choi İmplanter Pen technique therefore Doctor performs incisions and placing grafts in same time...

 

You will get more information via E-mail very soon.

 

I would have been let you inform the community once you received the respond anyway.

 

 

Thanks

This is a positive response. The incision to me seems the most important part of the process and a condition of HRN membership should be that the doc performs 100% of incisions, as all other docs recommended here do. It's a shame AHD moved away from a process that used to deliver good results, for the sake of trying to make more money.

This is somewhat controversial, and a lot will disagree, but I would encourage Dr Doganay to try and learn a bit of English, even some basics. I assume the majority of AHD's patients speak English to some degree, and not being able to communicate with the doc and vice versa is a big impediment as key messages can get lost when having to rely on an interpreter who may not have 100% command of the English language themselves. I certainly wouldn't go to a doctor who I could not converse with first hand.

Hi Cenkoa, what does Dr Doganay have to say about all the negative results on HRN? Is he concerned at all? Is he going to change anything to improve results ?

Thanks

Whatever happened to this "winning" patient? I seem to recall he put a lot of effort into his entry but no one has heard anything from him since !

Whether or not bill bans Dr D (which it appears he won't) the damage to Dr D's reputation has already been done. Things last forever on the internet. If anyone is sensible enough to do a search of him here , they will stumble across these threads and probably run a mile.

What may remain in question here is this website's (HRN) credibility. There are probably quite a few people who are thinking from this that HRN's annual subscription means more to them than patients' best interests. (not saying this is the case at all but this may be the perception)

I believe there is a study on this here from Dr Devroye

Highlights from the 2015 ISHRS (International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery) Scientific Meeting in Chicago | Hair Loss Q & A

Dave,

 

I too found the findings on the FUT versus strip study quite interesting. That said, it's only one study in one physician's hands with a certain set of tools. Thus, I don't think any real conclusions can be drawn from this about FUE in general however, I don't think we should discount the evidence from the study.

 

It's been my long time belief (based on many factors) that FUE as a donor harvesting method is far less consistent, mostly because grafts are blindly dissected whereas with strip, trained technicians can see everything they are doing under microscopic dissection. That said, many surgeons/clinics have been able to use their sense of touch or "feel" to harvest follicular units via FUE quite successfully without damaging them and ultimately produce outstanding results on par with strip.

 

I think this is a fair summary, it is a useful study. However I typed "Dr Beehner FUE" into google and could not see any results from him where he had practised FUE. Then I went to is website, Saratoga Hair Transplant Centre, and noticed he only will perform FUE in two very limited circumstances:

1. For use in camouflaging wide donor scars

2.For obtaining body hair when the scalp donor sites are depleted.

He goes on to say:

"If someone wants to preserve the option of shaving their head some day, then proceeding with hair transplantation makes no sense, even with FUE, as after a great many of these tiny punch-outs, in many patients a slight “moth-eaten” appearance can still occur which is not entirely natural looking. In summary, we think FUE has a valuable, but limited, role in hair transplantation and is a valuable procedure for us to be adept at performing, but that it will never be the preferred way to obtain donor hair for transplant procedures in general. It is simply too time-consuming, too tedious, and the surgeon and staff don’t have the same freedom and ability to cut perfectly sculpted grafts as with strips, in which case everything is carefully done under the microscope."

Based on this information, I surmise he does not perform FUE very much. This study may reflect the doc's inexperience with FUE and expertise in FUT.

A study performed by a doctor such as Feriduni or Bisanga who have regularly performed FUT and FUE for years would carry a lot more weight.

I don't see this result as outstanding. I see it as "expected" for that amount of grafts on a NW1.

Wow, I think.he actually looks better before. Maybe it's the hairstyle, but now it looks like a rug on his head!

Yeah Feriduni does 100% of the incisions and the techs implant.

I think Doganay now is the only recommended doc on here where the techs are doing incisions.

He prob takes ages to reply because he is so freaking busy.

And one of the reasons why may be due to the incredible progress this guy has had

Go to 2:30 in the video to see how bald he was before

Feriduni did some of my extractions

Don't worry about possible attacks in Europe ..terrorism can happen anywhere these days, the US, UK, Western Europe and Australia are all at risk. Statistically you're more likely to die crossing the road than from a terrorist attack. As for the surgeons, I'd go with Feriduni based on the lower graft estimate. Erdogans graft estimates always seem to be twice as much as other docs, which I regard as a big negative. Grafts are finite , so choose wisely. Both docs will design hairline and do incisions. They may do a bit (small %) of the extractions, but most of this will be done by the techs. Grafts will be implanted by techs. Feriduni's waiting list is likely to be substantially longer than Erdogans so factor this in too. Feriduni will also be slightly more expensive.

Unbelievable turnaround. Agree Dr Lorenzo is the best in the world.

hi Garageland, thanks for clarifying.

Hi Garageland, any idea why temple points weren't done? Thanks

I wouldn't fly till Friday or Sat. I had some pretty bad swelling days 3-5 and really you will look pretty awful. It is intensely embarrassing walking around looking like a freak and feeling the weight of everyone staring at you. Also I have read stories before about luggage falling out of luggage compartments onto a patients head and dislodging the grafts. I think.its a lot to risk flying so soon after a HT for 20+ hours. At least if you wait a few days until the weekend, your grafts should be pretty secure by then.

Are you going back to Dr B Stinger or considering other docs too??

Wow, so if Dr Doganay lost his recommendation, it would cost the people who run this website in the region of $12k....

Stop paying fees.

 

I kid. (But I hope bad reviews will do it... )

I was just thinking the same thing....

I suppose the question a lot of people are asking themselves is this:

What exactly does it take to have your recommendation removed from HRN???

How's your hair looking Sean? I know you weren't over the moon with your results, but I always thought your hair looked great tbh.

Lol maybe he's right, maybe a lot of us have been sold the virtues of FUE, which do not actually reflect what surgeons who perform both procedures are seeing. One thing is for sure, the hair restoration industry is far from straight forward and even if you research for years, you still face so many unknowns.

Case in point is Dr Doganay. Rewind two years and put yourself in the position of someone who has researched for months beforehand. Reading HRN back in 2013/2014 you would easily be forgiven for thinking Dr Doganay was the best thing since sliced bread. Great results and cheap prices. How many patients signed up with him on the back of all the praise he was getting back then on HRN? Tons! Were they to know back then what we *seemingly* know now about his practices or that he was possibly using fake accounts? No, of course not.

Perception and reality are clearly very different things in hair restoration.

Anyone else noticed this?

It makes you question whether there are inherent flaws with the practice (of FUE); or issues with the surgeons (such as Dr Doganay) that are contributing to complaints of poor growth.

Has anyone reevaluated their decision to opt for FUE in light of the poor results?

My guess is this doctor will probably end up having his registration here terminated. Cancel and if you have a small budget I would look at Dr Demisroy (however you spell it).