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This is a very poor result. The first photo shows that the hairline is extremely crooked, and the color is way too light and he needs more density on top. The second photo shows the crown and is a very poor result. The back right side of his head is much denser than the left, and you can easily see his huge Horseshoe bald spot bc it is not concealed at all. I'm sorry, but honestly these are terrible results. I hope this was a free treatment. Seeing trico results like these make me appreciate the provider who did my smp treatment even more.

Looks really great man! Nice work:)

From the HIS Hair Forum, former moderator Damien Porter (his other known aliases include "Tyler Green" and self-proclaimed "SMP Expert" and "SMP Guru") , confirmed that owner of Scalp Aesthetics, Bryce Cleveland, received his personal SMP treatment from HIS Hair Clinic in New York. This was a year or so prior to Bryce opening up his own SMP company. Damien Porter is now the Marketing Director for Scalp Aesthetics, and I have already discussed Porter's Charade with the SMPdebate website, in which he portrays himself as a non-existent person named "Tyler Green" and claims to be "unbiased" while he is employed by HIS Hair Clinic. Below is a quote from Damien from the HIS forum warning the HIS community about Bryce and S.A. and the truth about Bryce's personal SMP: "Just so you're aware of all the facts about the company you mentioned. The owner and main poster boy who is used within all their promotional material was actually treated by HIS at our New York clinic. " and the link to this thread: Promotion Of Competitors On This Forum - SMP Common Room - HIS Hair Clinic There are 2 main problems I see with this: 1) In all of Scalp Aesthetics' promotional material in which Bryce is the poster boy, they are selling a lie b/c the SMP results being displayed in the images of Bryce's scalp were actually produced by HIS Hair Clinic, not S.A. as implied in the photos. 2) Scalp Aesthetics claims on their website that they are the "Innovators of Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) procedure." How can they have invented something that has existed for decades before them, and with their owner and poster boy having received an SMP treatment at a competitor before they even existed? The original poster on this thread, "Caillou", had mentioned Scalp Aesthetics by name in the first post, but it was removed shortly after by Damien b/c at that time HIS strictly prohibited the mention of competitors on their forum. Later in the thread a member by the name of "Nightwood" said the following: "For all those curious about the owner of the place that shall not be named! To be honest he's a terrible poster boy to sell it to people, the hairlines so defined and straight, on a white guy, I find my eyes eternally glued on it like this O_O. Same deal when I had a look around the site and made a comment, every picture I saw had very very defined solid hairlines, unnaturally dark and a lot of them looked very fakey." To which Damien responded: "Agreed, but thats exactly what he asked for. You'd be surprised how many clients (especially in the US) ask for ultra defined hairlines like these" I find it interesting that Damien agreed that Scalp Aesthetics' results appear to have "very very defined solid hairlines, unnaturally dark and a lot them looked very fakey", and now he is the marketing director for this company. It just shows that guys like that who voice their opinions on SMP for a price, should not be listened to and should have no impact on a person's decision in choosing a provider, or having this treatment at all. Unfortunately, we do live in a culture in which anyone with a Pulse, Brain Activity, and a WiFi Connection can be an "expert" on something, or blog about a topic and proclaim themselves a "Guru." I have seen more evidence of this type of crap on Hair Loss Forums, where so-called "Hair Transplant Mentors" can be 'Referral Specialists' with absolutely no Credentials or Education on the subject. It is just ridiculous that a patient or client would choose a doctor or a provider based on the advice of someone like that. As far as Scalp Aesthetics, I would steer clear!! Most sensible and educated people will have no problem seeing the BS with this owner and company. Red Flags: They offer a moisturizer lotion for $400 a Year!!!! and claim it will prolong the results of their SMP treatment, they also sell a line of spray tanning products called "Tan Aesthetics" LMAO:D, They perform unsanitary out-of-state treatments illegally in hotel rooms (Huge Health Risk), they do not have locations where they claim which is the reason for their need to use hotel rooms to perform treatments. And with no Micropigmentation certifications of their own they train franchised S.A. Technicians using their own MICKEY MOUSE ONLINE SMP TRAINING PROGRAM THAT CAN BE COMPLETED IN DAYS so if you go to one of their locations you may get a technician fresh off the street who simply took a 3 day online course to learn how to do SMP ON YOUR SCALP! The Main Point is this: Yes it is much easier and convenient to go online and trust a website, Photos, Youtube Videos, Blog or Forum, or an "Unbiased Expert", but the only way to fully research a Doctor, treatment/procedure, or provider is to just 'kick it Old School' and physically visit the clinic or office personally. Of course in Scalp Aesthetics' case you may find an empty building or vacant lot at the address where they claim to have a clinic. But at Legit providers and docs' offices, Viewing Procedures or Treatments, speaking face to face with staff and/or Doctors, and personally viewing recipient's results of the service offered is the best and only way. It is up to the client or patient to do their due diligence in the research process, and this goes beyond simply speaking with PAID EMPLOYEES OR SHILLS who have ulterior motives. CUT OUT THE MIDDLE MAN

LOL Wow, that is crazy! I guess he likes the attention, but who knows?

That does not come as a huge surprise to me. Kinda figured that;) Again...no huge 'shocker' there:D. I've read enough forum threads to know when I am speaking with a person who makes their living via the SMP/Hair loss industry. Although I wouldn't necessarily say that your opinions are less valid b/c of your obvious Bias and Provider Affiliation, I would say that any information you or any other SMP employee or clinic owner provides (that you cannot prove) is more than questionable. LOL, spoken like a true marketing guy. I don't know of too many industries in which licensing and certifications are not necessary for verification of ones skills and abilities. You said it yourself, photo results can be altered (photoshop) and even stolen. Resumes can also be forged. In an industry that claims it is performing a "medical procedure", is it crazy to expect some sort of minimal medical training/background, as it pertains to alopecia, from the technicians? With so much deception and misleading advertising, I do not think it is unrealistic for clients to expect a more regulated industry and technicians with SOME CREDENTIALS as opposed to just taking an advertising guy or Salesman's word for it that "this technician is very skilled and talented with years of experience." :rolleyes: Wow, and here I thought you most likely worked from home on your PC. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but your assumption that I am in any way involved in the Hair loss or SMP industry is 100% Inaccurate. Other than having received SMP treatment personally, and having a friend who is a Micropigmentation instructor at a nearby school, I have zero involvement in the hair loss industry, and certainly no financial investment. I do feel that some providers (very few) are honest with their advertising and business practices, and do things the right way, but I could never see myself working in an industry that is polluted with so much deception and one in which the majority of providers are MORALLY BANKRUPT. I also could not, in good conscience, charge clients such high prices for a Treatment that I feel is overrated and certainly overpriced. No, I would rather spend my life effectively helping people in areas much more significant and life-changing than hair loss. I feel that SMP is a great way to help guys feel better about themselves. Guys who are completely bald, or have hair loss to the point where they must already shave their heads regularly are the ones who will see the most improvement. For guys who have a good amount of remaining hair but have slight or mild thinning, I believe that there are better Hair Loss solutions and better routes to take than SMP, and I would recommend they explore other alternatives. I feel that SMP is kind of a Last Resort Solution. I think that SMP provides somewhat of a frame for the face, and under certain lighting can look pretty good. However, in situations where there is bright overhead lighting, like in Gymnasiums, Auditoriums, or direct sunlight, the Pigmentation 'Dots' will be mostly invisible and the individual will not see much benefit from the results of their treatment. Of course there are many other things that factor into SMP looking its best. I personally feel that the more athletic and 'in-shape' a person looks, the better they will look with a shaved head or SMP treatment. An unhealthy person who is overweight usually does not pull of 'the look' as well. Also, I find that more tan or latino guys, or African-American men look better with shaved or smp heads. If you are a very pale white guy you won't look as good with smp as you would if you had some color or tan to you, IMO. But I have seen some guys that do the 'spray tan thing' and look a ton better so its all about how you play it. We obviously live in a society in which every direction you turn someone is selling a pill, a cream, a lotion, a surgical procedure, or in this case a Treatment that will supposedly solve all of your problems with self-confidence and make you more attractive and appealing to the opposite sex, making you look and feel better. I do believe that some Products and Sevices/procedures can absolutely provide a jump-start to aiding a person with a particular problem and help them start to feel more confident, whether their struggle is with hair loss, acne, obesity etc. or some other issue. But to try and sell the idea that SMP (or any of these other products or services) provides more than just a minor boost is simply a lie. I believe first and foremost, a person needs a healthy spiritual life and spiritual connection to feel happy and content. Healthy relationships and a strong support group would probably come second, followed by a healthy diet and exercise regiment. But a superficial improvement will never permanently repair a deeper internal problem, which is what I believe many guys obsessed with their hair loss suffer from. If you are a person who is just simply not content with his or her appearance, after you 'fix' one thing about yourself, you will more than likely move on to some other aspect of your appearance that you are not satisfied with to try and repair your self-esteem. First it is the hair, then its the teeth, then its the body, then its the skin....it never ends and this 'Hollywood Syndrome' seems to be an endless, sad, and lonely road in which Providers get richer and clients get sicker. (E.g.: Bruce Jenner) I feel that sometimes we fixate so heavily on things that we hate about ourselves, that life just passes us right on by. I was guilty of this for several years when I fixated on my hair loss. The saddest part about it is that most people don't even care enough to notice the things about ourselves that we are most insecure about and work so hard to change. They are too busy worried about their own problems and insecurities;)

I am not anti-SMP, quite the opposite actually, I'm very much for it when it is done correctly. It's the shady business practices (like provider owners and employees creating forum profiles under false pretenses) and lack of training that I am against. You mentioned the 3 SMP providers that are "the biggest in the world." First of all, you did not include the names to support your point. Secondly, who says they are the "biggest in the world"? By which criteria are you making such claims? Clinic locations maybe? I have found that at least one provider who lists about 40 U.S. locations on their site does not even have locations at many of the addresses they claim. It's amazing what you can find if you do a little digging, or if you travel a lot for work, like myself, and go and try and hunt down these supposed clinic locations. This is the reason why this particular company has resorted to performing treatments in hotel rooms in various cities and states, illegally I might add. Because they do not have locations where they claim, it's a sham. Also, it is very easy for certain Providers to appear much more legit and established through the use of Search Engine Optimization. You google SMP and the 3 providers that pop up the most must be the largest and most established, right? Wrong. The Internet is how we research things these days, and it is quite easy for companies in any industry to exploit this fact and manipulate things in such a way to create a misleading image of 'success'. It's just like many providers claiming they invented SMP. The owner of Scalp Aesthetics had his personal SMP treatment with HIS HAIR IN NEW YORK, then opened up SA and now he claims he invented SMP. The truth is, hair follicle replication has been around for decades. The marketing and advertising did not commence until about 10 years ago, which is why many think it is brand new. If you do 'old school' research it is quite easy to find the truth and expose the BS. Artistry Concepts was one of the earlier providers offering SMP. Before becoming SMP Clinic, they were in fact a Permanent Makeup Salon, as well as a traditional body art tattoo studio. I'm not saying anything negative about AC, from what I've researched Artistry Concepts is one of the best and skilled providers available, plus you are guaranteed the knowledge of who your tech will be and his resume and background are available, which is the owner. I just mention them by name to support my earlier point from my previous post that SMP is simply an extension of permanent makeup. Of course there is no specific Scalp Micropigmentation certification! I never suggested such a thing. Lol. Just like there is no lip micropigmentation certification, no eyebrow micropigmentation certification, no eyelid micropigmentation certification, etc. Micropigmentation certifications are not specific to areas of the face or head lol. There are however, General MICROPIGMENTATION CERTIFICATIONS and training programs. One of my good friends is a Micropigmentation instructor. I would not ever trust my Scalp to a provider whose techs have not completed a reputable micro program and who do not possess certifications, nor should anyone! I'm sure you are familiar with Micropigmentation training though, right? As far as Micropigmentation not being relevant to hair loss, that is just a silly point. First of all, If you knew anything about Micropigmentation education and training, you would know that one of the first and main things covered is educating the technicians on Alopecia: causes, patterns, prevention, etc. Afterall, even in permanent makeup for the face, many female clients are dealing with eyebrow thinning and loss of eye brows all together. And of course Gneral Micropigmentation Certifications are relevant and necessary for SMP tech to have. And where do you think the SMP providers are purchasing their Machines, Needles, Pigments, Chairs, lights from??? From the exact same companies that supply these exact same products to Permanent Makeup Studios. You say there is transparency in the SMP industry? Okay, well do me a favor then. Call any one of the 3 companies who you claim are the "biggest in the world" and ask them what brand pigments they use. Ask them the brand and model of their Micropigmentation machines. Ask them specific questions regarding their needles. Ask them to view the resumes of their techs so you can see their experience. Then report back to us with all of these details to further demonstrate your point that there is "transparency." You seem to have some really good knowledge of SMP, and made a couple of really good points on one of your posts from a different thread. I am sure we are in agreement on much of the permanent SMP industry, and I am very much in favor of good providers who have skilled, trained technicians. I also am in support of providers who rely on their good results and facilities and don't resort to deception and false advertising to gain clientele. I'm sure you would agree on that point. And there are absolutely some great providers out there who produce wonderful work, and do things the ethical way. And I know I fight an uphill battle posting brutally honest unbiased opinions on this forum, but some guys do crossword puzzles and Sudoku's during their smoke breaks at work, and lately I've posted on this forum lol.(since I don't smoke and have grown bored with Sudoku's) Have you received an SMP treatment yourself, or do you work in the industry?You seem to have some strong opinions for such a brand new forum member. Or maybe you are just an "SMP guru" That's good though, I enjoy the discussion. Anyway, I gotta head into a meeting, that thankfully does not involve the discussion of any hair loss or SMP topics LOL. You have a good one brother:)

Exactly! Very well stated

Roger That Dave! My apologies mate! I'll keep the gloves up in future posts when responding to trolls. Cheers!

The Permanent Makeup industry spawned the Smp industry. That's just a fact. A couple of the original and more widely known SMP providers were actually Permanent Makeup Clinics/salons before becoming 'SMP Exclusive' providers. Many of the smp technicians were formally permanent makeup technicians. It has been more of a marketing ploy instituted by SMP providers to try and Separate SMP from permanent makeup. As far as the skill level and training of many SMP techs being reflective of the pricing, that is both Debatable and Comical. Next time you speak with an SMP Provider, inquire about the tech's certification and training program completed. When you examine these I can bet that the certification possessed was obtained in less than two months (that's being generous) or the tech's training was completed at the provider's own internal training program that consisted of a few weeks lol. Either way the details will be vague. For now you are dealing with an unregulated industry where they make their own rules. For now.

My "opinion balance" has shifted after reading your joke of a "site" where you bash ALL PERMANENT SMP in a very uneducated and amateurish slander campaign to sway clients to your 'side of the field.' Your dishonesty and lack of morals (as shown on your site) clearly display that YOU REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE HAIR LOSS INDUSTRY! Heck, you represent everything wrong with any industry and are a perfect example of the lack of business ethics that have polluted our society. I feel I have given facts on trico. You make accusations about the legitimacy of SMP clinics who have been open for only 2-3 years, however, many of the trico clinics you shill for (or whatever the hell it is you do) have no trico experience and have only completed a brief training course. Oh but that doesn't matter does it? Bc the method they learned was developed by a woman who has been practicing for over a decade, so you can just claim all of her successes as your own with little to no actual experience! Does that sound crazy to anyone else?? Lol Then you try and deceive people into believing that SMP Is traditional scalp tattooing when you well know that the machines, needles, inks, insertion depth etc are all vastly different from tattoo shops. You also conveniently RECYCLE these BS 'horror story' SMP photos that have been circulating around the Internet for 6+ years, that were initially used by SMP providers as a scare tactic to steer clinents to their clinics that were originally used to basically say "don't go to our competitors or this will happen." Come on man lol, your agenda is so transparent. Another fact: one of the longest operating trico services in U.S. (and claims to be the first U.S. Milena Lardi Trained Service) Is at an HT docs office, and is run by a person whose majority of experience consisted of working for a hair cutting salon, also did permanent makeup tattooing on the side (which is Micropimentation similar if not equal to Permanent SMP), then answered phones for an SMP clinic for a year(Secretary for SMP clinic), before jumping straight into being the Director of all things trico at the ht doctor's office. That is not a resume I trust and speaks strongly to the inexperience and amateur flooded industry as a whole (SMP and trico alike). I think the main point here is I am just a client. I do not make money from my opinion so I have no ulterior motive. I do not pay Forums a monthly fee to express my opinions and Rep certain clinics and services. I do not create fake screen names in order to deceive potential clients. My Opinions are based on Science, Facts, and Proven Results! Your Opinions are based on Who is paying you MONEY! So if people believe you then that is their burden, not mine. Dude you are a lightweight lol, which is why I stopped responding to your illogical questions and attacks weeks ago. Your PRETENTIOUS facade is so obviously a front that could only fool the most naive and stupid of people/consumers. What really has me laughing is how busy you claim to be, yet whenever I post something, you post a response to my post WITHIN AN HOUR of my post, and you do so in a very detailed fashion addressing every facet of what I have said. Lmao, bro you have a lot of time on your hands, and your job seems to afford you many spare hours in the day. Or is this your job? to post BS on forums? So go ahead now: go up to the counter, order your favorite effeminate sissy Grande Latte or Frappuccino, go sit in the corner of your very favorite coffee shop with your little IPad that Santa brought you, cross your legs and type out a very calculated and 'insightful' response to my "imbalanced opinion" on trico. But when you need to go to the bathroom, just remember to use the door with the little emblem that IS NOT wearing a skirt, and be sure to wipe off the seat before you sit down to urinate. I'm sure 'gender confusion' can be a tough thing to live with. Or just save yourself some time, I won't be reading anything you post as I have a difficult time paying any mind to those I do not respect. Have a Super Nice day Champ!

According to what I have read and seen online those three companies are all good and produce high quality work, although I cannot speak from personal experience on any of them. Regarding specific technicians, to the best of my knowledge if you request a specific tech by name, most clinics will schedule you with that person. Do you have specific technicians at these clinics that you want to do your treatment? If so you have definitely done some great research. If you do not know the name, find out who the most experienced technician is at the provider you choose, then demand that this be your technician for your treatment. If they refuse and say they cannot guarantee who will perform your treatment, then you simply tell them that you will be taking your business down the road to one of their competitors. The SMP industry is extremely competitive with new clinics opening up every month, so I'd be willing to bet that this is something they will have no problem agreeing to in order to get your business and keep you from going to the competition. Travel is expensive, especially if you are just going to check out the place and not actually have a treatment, but in the long run it would be worth it I think.

Hi Clarvison, it can be very difficult to know whom to trust when searching for an SMP provider. They all CLAIM to be the "pioneers of scalp micropigmentation." They all CLAIM to use "one of a kind" inks and needles. They all CLAIM to be "The World's Best." And if choosing a provider were not difficult enough already, now you have the Tricopimentation SHILLS and Salesmen trying to use scare tactics and fake photos (pics of men's heads with food dye and marker ink saying these are permanent smp results lol) and attempting to equate permanent SMP with traditional tattooing with absolutely ZERO facts to support these accusations. Many of the Tricopigmentation providers are nothing more than Opportunists with NO HEALTHCARE OR COSMETIC TATTOOING BACKGROUND WHATSOEVER who see a market for SMP, so they take a course from Milena Lardi that lasts a few days, then they open up shop and start tattooing heads. The worst part about this common scenario of Trico Clowns, is that these same "Providers" are claiming years of experience and years of proven results- and of course they are speaking of Milena Lardi and Bella Medical's results, not their own LOL . It's a joke. In reality, these people have little to no cosmetic tattooing training at all. You say that you have been put in touch with some former clients of the clinics you are interested in. It is impossible to know whether or not these clients are legit, but it is honestly not important whether they are paid employees or not. The fact is, every single provider out there pays former clients for referrals, and most providers use employees to promote their business posing as "unbiased" clients. That is just a fact of the business. What you should look for is a Provider who has been in business for 5 years or more and one that is willing to let you come to the clinic and see the operation they are running for yourself. Any good provider will let you view an SMP treatment in progress and meet some of their clients who have undergone the treatment in person. Whether they are paid or not is irrelevant. You just want to see what the results look like up close. Also, it is important to make sure that there is some sense of accountability that these Clinics adhere to, making it in their company's best interest to leave you satisfied when this thing is concluded. Read the contracts you sign very carefully as well. Make sure that your satisfaction is guaranteed and make sure you have a good understanding of the services that are included in the package you are purchasing. Beyond doing those things, there is not much else you can do. You say you do not live close to any providers so this makes it tough, but it may be worth it to take a trip or two to check out a couple of providers in person, and schedule ahead of time a viewing of some former clients. You say you have your search narrowed down to 3 providers. Which 3 providers are you considering?

Yea......I've known the truth behind "Tyler Green" and SMPdebate for over a year now. After seeing evidence for myself over a year ago (that was gathered by my provider) I was once again disappointed in the deceitful practices that pollute the hair loss industry. Im fairly certain that many providers have been privy to this info about SMPdebate for some time. What I did find interesting was the section of the article I posted recounting instances of HIS Hair blackmailing providers and writing negative reviews on their clinics when they refused to pay them $$$$$. Simply despicable and cowardly behavior. The Greed of this world never ceases to amaze me!

The following is a small section from the article in which the author interviews a Micropigmentation clinic technician regarding their experience with SMPdebate.com. Again it is found at this link: Scalp MicroPigmentation More Than Just Ugly Scars "This segment of the cosmetic tattoo industry is becoming big business with franchises and clinics opening up in multiple countries, hundreds of thousands of dollars are changing hands between the growing numbers of patients and the clinics, and things are getting nasty. The most damning evidence of just how aggressive this industry has become came from a technician whom we have confirmed from other industry members and several medical practitioners is well respected medical tattooist, I recount her story below." 'I received a spam email from a person running a Scalp Micropigmentation Marketing Site saying they wanted to add my business to their site, after looking at the site we quickly decided we wanted nothing to do with it because it had what we felt was inaccurate information and was misrepresenting what was clearly a paid advertising site as being independent opinion. The person offering the opinions claimed to be; "One of the world's foremost experts on SMP", yet we saw no evidence of any health qualifications and no evidence of any qualifications in medical tattooing and most importantly no evidence of qualifications in the provision of scalp tattooing. After discussion with two registered health professionals they agreed that some of the information supplied on the site fell squarely within the context of medical advice, and inappropriate advice at that. Over the course of 2-3 emails I tried to explain to this person that we felt the content on the site was inappropriate and we wanted nothing to do with it. The emails became increasingly aggressive and I ended up warning....stop harassing me. Then I was subject to retaliation by posting false and highly defamatory material about me on the advertising website and even went as far as breaching my copyright by uploading images of me from my website to the advertising site alongside the vitriolic attack. In addition to the defamatory attack on me the page on the site also attacked another business and two large well respected medical associations in the United States. We were completely stunned how sick & vicious the personal attack was!' "After reading the email correspondence, and viewing the SMP advertising site I can confirm that this is one of the most disgraceful forms of negative advertising that I have ever witnessed during the course of my career. The most shocking thing is that along side the toxic diatribe there were paid adverts for 4 of the large Scalp Micropigmentation companies. The site in question claims to provide "the word's only unbiased source" of information relating to SMP and provides some glowing reviews for the businesses that are also advertising on the site including one operating in the same country as the victim of the above abuse. Correspondence from another industry member stated that they had virtually been "blackmailed" into advertising on the site because they were informed that the unsatisfactory "review" for their business could be turned into a positive one once they had paid for advertising. This has the look and feel of a modern day version of a stand over racket with attempts take down the opposition with a personal attack and at the same time brimming with sycophantic praise for benefactors. The abuse content in question has subsequently been removed, partly due to breaches of the web host terms and conditions, but the glowing 'independent' reviews still remain. This is clearly the kind of activity that should be examined by the advertising standards regulators. Apparently there have also been several legal battles over unauthorized use of patient images, so much so that several service providers said that they no longer place patients' photographs on their website."

I have noticed that as the SMP industry has grown, many information sites and forums have surfaced and claim to be unbiased. You see it everyday on the forums: A new screen name account pops up and in the very first post the member gives a long testimonial complete with hair loss sob story, The name/address/phone number of the Provider that saved their life, and sometimes even photos. It's sickening. The HIS Hair Forum obviously does not claim to be unbiased b/c it is operated and paid for by HIS, and so you must not speak any negativity about HIS Hair or a forum member's SMP photo results or you run the risk of being banned from the forum. Of course, after reading a few of the threads on the HIS forum, it is pretty obvious that many of the posters are more than likely company employees who are simply flooding the threads with glowing testimonials on their HIS results and experience. The website that I found strange was SMPdebate.com, which was, up until recently, advertised as being run by a man by the name of "Tyler Green." There was also a little profile photo of "Tyler Green" who looked to be a sort of dorky little guy with glasses and a smirk on his face. After a recent quick glance over SMPdebate's site, I no longer see his name or photo anywhere on the site. The site, SMPdebate.com, is actually owned and operated by HIS Hair Clinic. Damien Porter, the former HIS Hair Forum Moderator was the author of the articles (blog entries) and apparently operated the site under the alias "Tyler Green." Now that Damien is no longer employed by HIS Hair, I don't believe he is involved in the site, although he has been operating a similar site in which he claims to be an "SMP Guru." LOL It seems that the main objective of the SMP Debate site is to sell AD space to SMP providers, while simultaneously steering potential clients to HIS Hair Clinic through the use of the site's "referral service" and by stacking the site with 'Pro- HIS Hair' Articles and "reviews.":rolleyes: I came across an informative article that revealed some interesting info about this site and its immoral practices. Although the article does not specifically name the site, the author makes it pretty clear that he is referring to SMPdebate.com when he mentions the site claims itself as "the world's only unbiased source" and the operator of the site as claiming to be "one of the world's foremost experts on SMP." My point in sharing this info is an attempt to convey the message that potential clients should place very little stock in online "reviews", ads, forum posts, and photos and videos. Many of the people who give their opinions on particular providers, and SMP in general, have their own agendas that do not include the best interest of the client but rather fattening their own pockets. And many of these same people do not possess the education, experience, or qualifications to be giving professional advice regarding SMP in the first place. Any moron can give himself the title of "SMP Guru" or "SMP Expert." It's just getting ridiculous lol. The article is at this link, and is very informative regarding the SMP industry: Scalp MicroPigmentation More Than Just Ugly Scars

The prices SMP providers charge is based on the permanent make up and cosmetic tattooing industry and the fees they charge. Any good Permanent make up practitioner charges around $300-$500 an hour. When I first began looking into SMP I was also surprised at the high cost. I expected it to cost far less and closer to what traditional tattoo artists charge.

Hi Joe, No worries buddy, just feel it is better to have the "original" photo for comparison. Hope you are able to find it, but I imagine it looks a lot like the one you already posted. As far as long-term Permanent SMP results: If you and your team have been relying solely on Online Search Engines as your primary research tool to find photos then good luck to ya man. After all, if Photos of Tricopigmentation recipients, other than post-treatment photos, are so hard to find online, imagine how tough it must be to find smp photo results of guys' results 7 years post-treatment simply by using Google. Especially in an industry that has just begun to advertise in the last 8-10 years. The problem with online research is that the SMP industry is so very young and over 95% of what you will find is all Marketing and Advertising-(which I am sure you know all about) and not real people who aren't getting paid to say a certain thing. Like Trico, Most online SMP clinics' galleries show Result Photos that are taken immediately after treatment and nothing more. And also like Trico, most smp providers have not been in business long enough to have clients with results that old. But you knew that already. I actually did a lot of research on my own and got out from behind my computer screen and went and spoke to Micropigmentation Practitioners and Clinical Instructors (apart from the 'strictly scalp micro' providers) and I was able to learn a lot, and was introduced to many men who have been treated for hair loss using Permanent Micropigmentation to replicate hair follicles. Keep in mind these men are not PAID guys who create websites and post their photos and track their 'SMP progress' year to year for the whole world to see LOL. In fact, like me, most of them try and keep their SMP a secret, outside of their 'Micropigmentation inner circle'. At least ten of these men whom I met (and a few I still keep in contact with) had their treatments over ten years ago. Their results look wonderful, some better than mine. Most of these guys have had touchups over the years on small areas of the scalp, but maintenance is part of everything that involves Any Form of Tattooing. Many of the Micropigmentation Practitioners I met and spoke with actually specialize in Medical and Paramedical tattooing such as Areola Repigmentation for women with breast cancer who have undergone a Mastectomy, as well as tattooing really bad scars from car accidents or injuries, and also repairing skin pigmentation issues caused by either cancer or physiological conditions. These Practitioners possessed Bachelors and Masters Degrees of Science in various schools of the health sciences, so it was nice to talk to Health Care Professionals in the industry as opposed to the usual 6 week Training Course Certificate Recipient, or Salesman. You know what I mean? These were educated and experienced practitioners who possessed years of education and experience. And for Practitioners with experience in medical tattooing who know what they are doing, Pointillism on the scalp is not a difficult task. That is why it is so comical to me when guys come on here and try and question the longevity of Permanent SMP, (which is such a very simple treatment), when Cosmetic and Medical tattooing has been around for decades and there are tons of proven results out there. I suppose the bottom line is that I really do not have to convince anyone that SMP is good for the long haul. I have seen long-term results with my own eyes, and every time I look in the mirror I see results that look awesome after 3 years. I am just a Pro-SMP guy, not a Provider or Salesman of the service so I may be one of the only unbiased guys on these threads. I am not on here to make any money or sway anyone this way or that way. Just to express my opinions as well as the facts. Heck, I even read somewhere that one Forum Actually Charges Practitioners and Doctors a monthly fee of over One-thousand Dollars to be a member and advertise! :eek: Can you believe that? The fact is, SMP is a 'Money Machine'. Ads for your clinic can be sold on various sites, positive reviews for your clinic can be bought, you can charge thousands of dollars for a treatment that lasts just hours and costs very little to perform. For any potential client, whether it be Hair Transplants or SMP, separating the B.S. from the Truth can be nearly impossible using online research. PS: good luck with all of your photo editing

Do you have the original post-treatment photo for comparison??

Yea Scooter, unfortunately the only Advertisement Photos posted by Tricopigmentation clinics are photos taken IMMEDIATELY after the treatment is completed at the clinic. In all fairness, Permanent SMP Providers do the EXACT same thing and Display, or Post, post- treatment photos that were taken at their clinic immediately following the treatment before the treatment has had time to fade making the treatment seem darker in photos and more impressive. On these forums, or ANYWHERE for that matter, you will be hard pressed to find photos of Tricopigmentation recipients' photos other than the ones that were taken immediately after treatment. I feel that the reason for this is that the photos of Trico results, say 6-12 months post-treatment, would not serve the best interest of the Tricopigmentation Providers to be viewed by potential clients, b/c the results will be less than stellar, and will more than likely reveal more rapid fading than the Tricopigmentation providers care to advertise. But just so I'm clear, and don't seem "inconsistent", to certain Trico Salesmen, regarding my views on Temporary SMP....I still feel Tricopigmentation is a good option for SOME, and can aid in the decision process to move forward with Permanent SMP, or not.

Good deal brother! It sounds like some progress there, hopefully it holds this time. I know SMP can be a stressful process sometimes. Looks like you are on the right track though

As you know, fading depends greatly upon the individual's immune system as well as that individual's care for his or her scalp. Avoidance of UV ray exposure, avoiding trauma such as cuts and abrasions to the skin etc. is key in avoiding fading. From my experience and observation, if there is any fading due to sun or cuts, the smp fades completely. I know several men who have had SMP for over 10 years. A few of them have taken extra care to use sunscreen and hats and avoid too much sun exposure in general- it is bad for your skin anyway, and these men's SMP look as good as mine today. They have no color change or blurred dots. The guys who have had many sunburns and/or cuts from shaving have experienced the complete disappearance of their dots in those affected areas, and have had to get touch ups to repair the faded areas. I have seen one man who had SMP and the treatment lightened significantly, I think for physiological reasons, and he had to have extra enhancements and it finally worked out for him and looks good now. That is a great point, and absolutely something to consider before smp treatments. The provider I chose does much more conservative hairlines and they are higher and more rounded as opposed to straight, low, and edgy. On my particular case, I still have hair in front and they didn't want to tattoo areas below where my existing hair ends. Also, I did not have the side profiles smp'd. I feel that these "hip-hop/rapper" hairlines that Ive seen many clinics do, that go really far down, and angle on the sides and straight across the forehead are just a bad idea. Especially for the reason you mentioned, that as a person gets older this will look ridiculous. Good deal brother, sounds like you have some great experience under your belt, and I can't think of a better person to learn under than Milena! Sounds like you are very committed to your craft and that is nice to see in this industry. Nice! I hope it works out. This will be a great way to track the fading and ultimately (in my opinion) determine the level of success of the treatment. I feel I have kept my opinions on Tricopigmentation balanced. As I have stated over and over, I feel that Tricopigmentation is a great Short-term option. I don't think it is logistically or financially feasible for most men to continue Tricopigmentation treatments as a Long-term solution to their hair loss. However, if there are no physical repercussions from receiving hundreds/thousands of repeated insertions of pigment into the scalp over time, and if the client can afford financially to continue paying for this service, then I think it may be a good way to go. I still would like to see the progression of the fading, as well as the end result of the fading to make a firm determination of this treatment being good or not. I hope you have many successful results for your clients and great success in your business.

Yes Exactly! Excellent Point! For many years Micropigmentation practitioners have been using cosmetic and medical tattooing to tattoo areola areas for breast reconstruction after mastectomies, as well as scar concealment and makeup- lips, face, eyelids, and of course eye brow replication. As you said, in the HT world many men are not familiar with cosmetic tattooing (more women are aware than men) and most automatically equate Micropigmentation with Traditional tattoos that you would get at a tattoo shop, which is just not accurate. Great advice! I actually did this myself. I visited several Permanent Makeup and Micropigmentation clinics and got loads of info that the SMP Providers were not willing to discuss. I met a couple of Micropigmentation instructors as well, who were quite helpful. Not everyone I met in this industry were helpful or receptive, but most were more than willing to help me. Absolutely, Tricopigmentation is a great way to get your feet wet and see if the shaved/buzzed head look works for you. Some guys do not want to buzz their hair short and just want actual hair, and that is completely understandable. This look does not suit everyone. 100% agree, and this is my main point. Trico is great for a 'trial run' of smp, but I cannot see anyone going back and back and back to these clinics every year or so to do it all over again. My guess is that by that second or third treatment most guys will get discouraged and burned out and find a different solution. I feel that watching your Replicated Follicles fade over and over again would sort of feel like losing your hair all over again.

I Agreed. As long as this treatment produces good results, which based on the photos I have seen, it does, and there are no scarring or scalp damage issues from repeated treatments, then you are absolutely correct that there is no argument against Tricopigmentation and it is in fact a good thing. LOL I do not need to revisit the math.... my $10,000-$15,000 estimate was based on my prediction that the prices will be raised over the course of the next ten years and that the client will need touch ups much more frequently than you say. Also I imagine there to be some fine print in the Client Agreement Form that they sign that will allow some wiggle room for the providers to charge more than the price scenario you presented You also make a good point regarding the ethics of trico- it is not unethical b/c the clients enter into it with a clear understanding that it will fade, and if the results look good and they can afford to continue paying for more treatments then I'd say everybody wins. As far as posting my personal photos, you must understand, there is nothing for me to gain by doing so. I do however, talk to potential clients who are on the fence about SMP via email, skype and phone, and do in fact email and text my before and after photos with the hopes that they will not be posted on the internet. And I do not try and sway these men to use the Provider that performed my SMP treatment. I am Not A Shill and Make NO COMMISSION AND RECEIVE NO FINANCIAL BENEFITS for trying to help other people who suffer from hair loss. So its not a selfish thing-my decision not to post photos on public forums- and I do try and help guys with hair loss, and I have NEVER MADE ONE SINGLE PENNY FROM DOING SO. I do however, understand that the Tricopigmentation business and hair loss industry is your career and I completely understand your need to make a living, and contrary to my previous comments, I do not blame you for coming on these forums and competing with other providers for business. It's your job and these Forums are Free advertising for you guys- I get it! I apologize for my previous close-mindedness in that area. But My point here is this- we are in completely different positions regarding posting our photos. I do not work in the hair loss industry, I am just a client, so unlike yourself, I am not going to make any money or profit by sharing my personal photos on this forum and I am entitled to my privacy. If this makes my opinions on SMP less valid in the eyes of forum members, then so be it. I also am not desperate for positive reinforcement from strangers; I get plenty of great feedback from people whom I know personally in Real Life. I know my SMP results look awesome, and that is just a fact! I assure you that none of my posts that simply voice my honest opinions that you falsely label as "hostility" have anything negative to do with my provider...That comment honestly made me laugh though. As far as my results, My new primary care doctor viewed my scalp at my last appointment and said "ah I see the finasteride is working very well, you have lots of healthy follicles up there, you could grow your hair out if you wanted to." He had NO CLUE THAT THE DOTS WERENT REAL HAIR, AND HE'S A PHYSICIAN, HE ISNT PAID TO BE POLITE BUT TO BE PRECISE. And that was 3 years after my SMP treatment! And just to be 100% honest with you, I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, seen my provider posting Advertisements on any hair loss forum! Do you know why? Because they don't need to LOL, they're doing amazing work and have more business than they know what to do with. If you visited their huge amazing facility for a day and saw their operation and how busy they are you would have to agree. I am not trying to be condescending toward you, many Providers such as yourself Need to advertise on these forums to get clients. There is nothing wrong with it and nothing to be ashamed of bc you have to start somewhere in building a client base. But the provider I went to just simply does not need to use these forums for free ads, they are doing Really Well. As far as that SMP debate website, it is in fact created and run by Damien Porter, and you are correct, "Tyler Green" is a fictional character. As you said, this allows HIS HAIR to profit from advertising for clinics, while at the same time they use the site as a tool to recruit clients. Notice that "Tyler Green" offers a free referral service LOL. It's disgusting! Joe, you seem like a very straight-forward and decent guy. I truly hope that you are successful in bringing some honesty and class to an SMP industry that seems to, for the most part, lack both of these things. I still feel that Tricopigmentation is NOT A GOOD LONG-TERM OPTION (too expensive and too much trouble and repeated scalp trauma) But is rather a good short-term treatment to 'test the waters' of SMP to see if the client likes replicated follicles on his scalp, and if so he can let the 'Training Wheels' fall off and go with Permanent SMP and have a long-lasting result. So Tricopigmentation definitely serves a good purpose. Best of luck with your business, I hope you have great success. Take Care

I'm sorry you feel that my posts are "attacks". Honestly, if Tricopigmentation is effective for some men, and they do not mind paying for a temporary result, then that is fine. I just feel that it is unethical on the part of clinic owners and practitioners to profit off of men by entering them into a treatment journey that ultimately has no destination or conclusion. I admit that even permanent SMP requires maintenance over the years, but it is very inexpensive in comparison to Tricopigmentation maintenance which requires an entire 'start from scratch' procedure and heavy price tag which could be over a grand or more each time. And Based on the price range you gave me, a client could end up spending upwards of $10,000 over the course of ten years!!(although I do believe it would be closer to $15,000). And this is not money spent on a surgical procedure performed by a physician who possesses a medical degree, but rather a cosmetic tattoo treatment performed by a tech who possesses a certification earned by WEEKS OF TRAINING! It just doesn't make sense, and it seems that the only people who sing Trico's praises are SHILLS and Clinic owners, all of whom are profiting off of these forum threads. These men would be better off spending that money on a personal trainer and dietitian to get their body and mind healthy, which unlike hairloss, is something that they can control. As far as posting photos of my scalp and head, that simply is not going to happen! Since I became aware of SMP several years ago, the majority of what I have learned is that the hair loss industry is an immoral, dishonest, and corrupt one(for the most part). I can't begin to tell you how many different clinics I have viewed online that use my provider's photos in their galleries and Facebook pages, and I do not wish to find my photos in a provider's online gallery who did not perform my treatment. That would be unfair to me and the provider I actually went to. Also, I have a right to my privacy and do not stand to benefit in any way by posting my personal photos on a Public Forum just to prove to a bunch of strangers, shills, and salesmen that I received an Amazing permanent SMP result. It is very disheartening that there is so much slander and DISHONESTY In an industry that can help so many, and in which clinics claim their main objective and purpose "is to Change lives and help men get the Confidence they Deserve." On one hand you have the HIS HAIR Forum Moderator deceiving people by creating and running a supposedly "unbiased" SMP website under the alias "TYLER GREEN" and claims himself as an "SMP Expert"(whatever the hell that is) and on the other you have some Ass Hat from New York running around playing 'dress up' pretending he is Mark Zuckerberg and claiming he is a successful millionaire who invented SMP as he steals competitors photos claiming them as his own work as he performs illegal half-ass treatments in hotel rooms, even though he claims he has clinics all over the country and in multiple countries lol. And then you have your Tricopigmentation group that 'piggyback' off of an established company's name by taking a trico course that lasts a few weeks, and then with little to no experience they charge thousands for temporary results! I bet they never knew their cosmetology certificate would ever be worth so much. The price tag doesn't match the product, sport!- consumer101.....Lol, no I definitely will not be posting photos, but thanks! That's all I have, I'd hate to continue and have you feel I'm "attacking" you.

Lol, incorrect sport! GREAT Permanent SMP solutions exist, you obviously just did not actually take the time to view some results in person to see for yourself and instead opted to buy hook line and sinker a trico sales pitch... I'm sure they saw u coming a mile away with the word "MARK" written across your forehead LOL. While you flush thousands down the toilet over the course of the next ten years, my SMP results remain in tact, and if I ever need a touch up it is very cheap. But I'm glad Beauty Medical has TEMPORARILY changed your life- that is, until your expensive dots fade and it is time to spend another couple Grand to not be bald again lol.