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Ok. Well, how much Money do you, and/or Bella Medical charge for your temporary smp treatment? And how long do these results typically last? The answers to these questions are the FACTS I base my opinion on, regarding tricopigmentation. And the quality of the results and fading process of course. I feel that any wise person/potential client would make their decision based on these FACTS as well. PS: according to Dr Shapiro he did start training with Milena back in '09 or '10, unless he was lying. He blogged about his experience in Milan but I can't seem to find it now.

I appreciate your input Joe, some really good information in your posts regarding Tricopigmentation. I look forward to seeing your video, and I will definitely check out those forums with the case studies, thanks. I feel that Tricopigmentation would be a great option if the cost was between $300-$500 and the pigmentation lasted 1 and a half to 2 years before beginning to fade. Any more than $500 and I just do not see this as a smart purchase as a consumer. To pay more than that for something that will disappear in the very near future does not seem wise to me. I think this is an ongoing process in that the client must continue to get treated and the money spent on this over the course of say 10-15 years just does not make sense financially for most of us. For wealthy people in which money is not a limitation, this could work. I am very skeptical of the consequences of repeating implantation to the scalp, and the potential damage it could cause.

Hey Joe, thank you for your response and for the great info regarding HIS Hair and Trico that they offer. I stand corrected. I remembered reading on their forum a couple of years ago or so that they were considering offering Trico, and I knew they had tried it, but was not aware that they were still offering it. That is good to know. You are, however, incorrect on a couple of points. You say that Bella Medical (Beauty Medical) is the largest provider of SMP in the world. To be honest, I feel that to attempt to qualify the clinics, that have briefly learned under Milena Lardi, as Beauty Medical Clinics is more than just a stretch. It is simply not true. Not only are these not the same company as Beauty Medical, but also just because a clinic's practioner(s) takes a brief tutorial from someone, this does not make them as good of an SMP technician as Milena or her staff, and certainly not as knowledgeable. You mentioned the 10 + years Milena has been practicing tricopigmentation. I don't mean to sound harsh, but how is that relevant, or in any way a reflection upon a clinic who takes a quick tutorial from her?? Do they inherit her 10 years of experience as well? You seem to know enough about SMP to know that there are many factors involved, and one cannot minimize a practitioner's experience, or lack thereof. Simply taking a tennis lesson from Roger Federer does not make a person play tennis like Roger Federer;). I am sure she makes good money with the training though, and also by allowing Providers to use her name. In all fairness, the same can be said for HIS Hair. When you have multiple locations spread across continents, you also have many different practitioners, and quality control may become an issue. But at least with HIS, they are the same company and have a reputation to uphold. You also mentioned that she has only been training Clinics to emulate her method for one and a half years. Dr. Shapiro of Shapiro Medical in Minneapolis started taking trips to Italy for extensive training with Milena Lardi back in 2009, I believe it was. He also trained with her in New York during that time frame. Honestly, if I were someone interested in Tricopigmentation, Shapiro Medical is the place I would go. (unless of course I could make it to Italy lol ) I'm not against this temporary SMP method, I am just skeptical about the fact that their is not a lot of proof out their that it works. I just feel if this method is worth the money it costs, there should be some time frame videos and photos displaying the progression of the fading.

Sorry to hear about that Hariri. But unfortunately, scar tissue is much different and more unpredictable to deal with when performing any type of SMP on the area. I would say that most of the complaints I have seen, heard, and read are from guys with Strip scars or FUE 'holes'. It seems hit or miss with thick scar tissue. Some work out great, and others just do not.

Thank you Joe for your response. Your photos look good and are helpful in this discussion. If you have any that show the different stages of the fading process they would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your reply. Do you not have any photos? Yes you are correct, the second article or blog, is written by Damien Porter the HIS forum moderator. Although he is not completely unbiased in his views on SMP, I feel that if Tricopigmentation was a good option, then certainly a company of HIS' size (the largest SMP provider and most locations world wide) would be offering Temporary SMP as an option for their clients. The only reasonable explanation as to why HIS Hair does not offer this temporary method as an option to their clients is that it is not a good method for a hair loss solution. Secondly, you did not address or refute even one point or concern about Tricopigmentation that was discussed in the above articles. Can you honestly explain how you can accurately predict how well the pigmentation will fade, and more importantly, when and where? In other words, is it feasible that 6-9 months after treatment that the client could have spots of existing pigmentation, or blotches, and then bald scalp in other areas?? How many years have you been practicing Tricopigmentation? Must have been at least 10 years for you to be so confident in this method and its results. Have you personally received Tricopigmentation? Have you any photos that show the stages of the fading?

After reading these articles I really feel that temporary SMP is a bad idea! It seems that ,ironically, tricopigmentation may be more RISKY than permanent SMP, with more dire consequences. If anyone who is an ACTUAL CLIENT,and not a BOTTOM FEEDER SALESMAN, has any legit before and after treatment photos, as well as photos that show scalp after the pigments have faded, I think it would be greatly appreciated by members considering this temp method if you could please post them. Thanks!

Tricopigmentation versus scalp micropigmentation - Trico....what? - SMPGuru.com No idea what tricopigmentation is? You’re not alone, so read on. Without wishing to sound like a proper old-timer, I remember when the world of scalp micropigmentation was young and a handful of players in the market were just getting established. They all shared a common problem – they saw the potential of the process, but they didn’t know what the hell to call it. No-one wanted to call it a tattoo, because the process is so much more complex than that name would give it credit for. That said, how else do you describe a process that uses a needle to deposit pigment under the skin? All manner of names were created. As the first SMP company and innovator of the technique, HIS Hair Clinic took the lead with MHT (Micro Hair Tattoo, later renamed as Micro Hair Technique). Some of their early competitors came up with their own names like ACHM (Artistry Concepts Hybrid Method) and CTHR (Cosmetic Transdermal Hair Replication), and the end result was mass confusion as no-one understood what the process actually involved. When the Americans started to name this process under the generic banner of scalp micropigmentation (or scalp pigmentation in some cases), HIS Hair Clinic decided to simplify the message and use the former scalp micropigmentation descriptive. Most other providers quickly followed suit and the term (along with the abbreviation of SMP) became the standard terminology, although many providers also use their own brand names for their technique. As HIS developed the technique, they registered the term “SMP” as a trademark. Some alternative terminology survived however, of which tricopigmentation is a good example. The term originated in Europe, Italy more specifically, and described permanent SMP at first. However as time progressed the term ‘tricopigmentation’ was most commonly given to a temporary alternative – basically the same process but using pigment that was designed to fade much more quickly, typically after 6-24 months. The problems with tricopigmentation *The availability of a temporary option definitely encourages more people to resolve their hair loss issues because tricopigmentation is less permanent, and in that regard, less daunting for those who are yet to be convinced that SMP is the right solution for their needs. It basically means that if they later realise they have made a terrible mistake, it isn’t so bad because it will soon fade out anyway. *People sometimes perceive tricopigmentation as a safer option, and an opportunity to test drive their new look and maintenance regimen before committing to a long term lifestyle choice, however the so-called ‘safe’ option is not as straightforward as it first appears. There are no less than five major concerns I have regarding tricopigmentation that I feel should be taken into consideration: 1)Fading is entirely unpredictable. Neither you (or your practitioner) has any way of knowing if your treatment will start to fade in 6 months, 12 or 24. 2)The interim period is challenging to say the least. Temporary pigments fade in a much less even pattern than permanent pigments do, so your scalp is likely to look a little odd for a few months 3)Compounding the issue above, temporary pigments cannot be lasered off like permanent pigments can. Attempting to remove them via laser simply heats up the pigment deposits and can cause burns or scarring in some cases. 4)If you plan to overcome the issues above by re-applying a new treatment every 12-18 months, this also creates problems. Constant addition of pigment will eventually lead to non-existent dot definition, replaced instead with a solid block of shade. The interim period is simply too long to expect old pigments to fade quickly enough to keep pace with the fresh treatments you’ll inevitably need. 5)A temporary tricopigmentation treatment costs about the same as a permanent scalp micropigmentation treatment. The only difference is that permanent treatments only require a short touch-up session every 4-6 years or so, usually costing ?500 (GBP) or less. That’s a lot less expensive than paying for a whole new treatment every 12-24 months. Don’t believe everything you read It’s easy to watch the video above and get really carried away, but watch again and pause it at about 45 seconds. Despite the fact that Milena Lardi is widely regarded as the best in the world at tricopigmentation, I don’t think the result shown in this marketing video is particularly good. There is no individual dot definition, in fact it looks smudged and even slightly BLUE. For sure, if HIS Hair Clinic produced a result like this and it was published in the HIS forum, we’d have a mutiny on our hands. There is this crazy rumour going around that temporary tricopigmentation produces results that are more realistic than permanent SMP. Whilst there are some great examples of temporary SMP out there, the idea that tricopigmentation treatments generally look better than their permanent counterparts is nothing more than marketing bullshit. ***A quality result comes down to three things: 1)The right needles, pigments and technique 2)The skill of the practitioner 3)The condition of your scalp These factors do not change, just because a temporary ink is used. The bottom line is that there are some very skilled tricopigmentation technicians out there, and some very bad scalp micropigmentation technicians. When comparing the two, as tricopigmentation clinics inevitably do, of course they’ll paint a more positive picture of their own solution. Who wouldn’t? So which is best? There’s no right answer to this question. Tricopigmentation definitely has its place and is an ideal option for some people, however one thing is for sure – the wrong approach is to have multiple temporary treatments, one after another. That’s a really bad idea for many different reasons. To be honest I believe a permanent SMP treatment is safer, more cost effective and easier to live with. However if you really feel that a temporary solution is the right one for you then use it as a test, and when your treatment starts to fade, get it done permanently and properly.

http://tattoo.about.com/cs/beginners/a/aa032103a.htm Truth or Myth: Semi-permanent tattoos that fade away and disapear on their own I’m guessing you’ve probably heard of the “semi-permanent” tattoo – the one that only lasts 6 months. Or was that 6 years? No one seems to know, because it can’t be done. However, the rumors are real – there are even some tattooers claiming they can do it – some of them say the tattoo will last six months to a year. Some say 3 to 5 years. The 3-5 year ones are actually smarter - I mean, who's going to even be able to find them in 3-5 years to tell them they were wrong? Why do people want a semi-permanent tattoo anyway? Why is this idea so popular? Because they don’t like commitment! Over 40% of American marriages end in divorce – and sometimes you have to live with a tattoo longer than your spouse! So, it is easy to see why the idea of a tattoo with a short commitment would be appealing to many. Change your mind? No problem! In a few months it’ll be gone anyway! NOT! The fact is, when you insert tattoo ink under the skin, it's there to stay. It may fade over time, but it won't just disappear. There is no magical ink that fades completely away after a predetermined length of time. Some of them will say that they tattoo the ink so lightly that it doesn't become permanent - that somehow it's only embedded in a temporary layer of skin that will wash it away. This is also impossible. There are 3 main layers of epidermis - most tattoos go into the second layer. But if you only go into the first layer (which would require surgical if not magical precision) the ink may very well fade - but not evenly and not completely. What you'd be left with is a really crappy half-tattoo with splotches of ink here and there. Klicks Tattoo quotes an article from The Times where Dr. Arthur Morris, a plastic surgeon, says, "A tattoo only lasts if it goes into the dermis [the layer of cells below the epidermis]. In other words, there is no possible middle ground." In the same article, Lal Hardy, a secretery for the A.P.T., is quoted as saying, "Professional tattoo studios won't go near these so-called temporary tattoos. It is hairdressers and market stalls who are doing them. The people doing it may even believe the tattoos are temporary, but those getting them are guinea pigs."So, basically, this is nothing but a scam. Stick-on tattoos are temporary (3-7 days) and henna art is temporary (2-4 weeks) and tattoos are permanent. Those are the only real choices you have. If you are not prepared to keep your tattoo for the rest of your life, you'd be best off not to get one at all.

I have been skeptical of this Tricopigmentation /Temporary SMP stuff for a while now. The more I read about it, the more skeptical I become. I have yet to see any case studies or even video evidence that displays a man's scalp after the pigmentation has "supposedly" faded completely. I think an important (maybe the most important) photo comparison would be a photo (or video) displaying the client's scalp before the treatment right next to a photo of the client's scalp after the pigmentation has faded completely. Still, even this would not show the stages of the fading and the severity of the uneven tones on the scalp as it does so. Who can accurately predict when, and more importantly how, the dots will fade and where they will fade first? It just spells a recipe for disaster. After some reading online I found a couple of informative articles discussing the flaws in this process, and I feel they raise some important questions and make some valid points. Definitely worth a read if you are someone interested in this "Temporary" method of SMP. I am sure the Shills and Salesmen of Tricopigmentation will not like this but they are welcome to chime in. Semi-Permanent Tattoos Myth Debunked

Sorry about the disappointing stressful experience. Which provider did your SMP?

62 hours and 4 days of training??!!!??? On mannequin heads??? LOL :eek: Any moron who is willing to be a guinea pig for a first-timer "practitioner", deserves the pigment migration and discoloration he gets!!! I would LOVE to see a copy of the Release Form you are going to make these poor losers sign What a freaking joke of a Scam!

I disagree my good sir! Anything regarding temp smp that you advertise is absolutely relevant. If you would like to dispute the article then feel free.

Quite right, quite right! My apologies my good chap, I neglected to expand on the organics section and mention the synthetic organics. It was late and had a long day, what can I say? lol I suppose my main point however (if you caught it) was that the consumer or client does not and cannot ever really know what type of pigment is being used. After all, you are not going to give him or her a sample to have tested before the treatment, right? You could call your pigments "The Magical Rainbow Bright Super Duper 3.0", and tell the client that you obtained them from the same guy who sold Jack his Beanstalk Beans, and there is no way to disprove this. There is a ton of marketing B.S. spin you guys put on your inks and needles and machines to make them seem one of a kind(by you guys I am speaking of the majority of the smp industry), but the truth is, the only thing that matters is the end result. You say that the Synthetic Organics are more easily lasered. How do you know this? Have you seen this first-hand? Have you had to laser any of your client's smp? Given your vast amount of knowledge on pigments and temp smp, you must have been practicing for many years. After all, this is the only way you can know for sure how well your pigments fade and what the time frame (a range) is for the complete breakdown or exfoliation of the pigments. I see plenty of before and after photos advertised by Temporary SMP providers, but could you please show a case study, or even just photos, that display the client's scalp immediately following the treatment, and photos that display his/her scalp after the pigmentation has faded completely? I feel this is the most important aspect of Temporary SMP since the whole reason the client opts for the temporary method in the first place is due to the notion that the pigments will fade COMPLETELY. Again, I am not saying that temporary SMP is a bad thing, I think it is ok for a 'test run' for clients to see if they like the look without having to commit, as long as the treatment fades 100% without need of laser removal, as you claim.

LOL sorry for high-jacking your thread there Bottomend! I was trying to make a point with BUSA who appears to be trolling smp threads! Very frustrating when misinformation is about smp is spread that way, especially for guys like you and me who know first hand the great benefits of this treatment. Congrats on your successful treatment with Headstrong, the photos look great. You have a great skin tone for smp; I find that guys with darker or tanner skin look much better with a shaved/buzzed smp look. Very cool that you train MMA. What an amazing sport that is certainly on the rise and gaining momentum and recognition every day! Also the smp shaved look fits right in with the sport you participate in, so no one will think twice to question why you shave your head. Congrats again man!

Good questions, and this is some of the basic stuff I know about pigments: Pigments can only be made out of certain things and in certain ways. Certain things - there are your organic and inorganic - iron oxides and certain ways - mixing them with certain vehicles which are water glycerin and alcohol which are combined in many ways by many different manufactures. -Iron Oxides are Inorganic and Organic are your Lakes And Apparently,contrary to what you may have been told, 95% of Cosmetic Pigment Manufacturers use BOTH organic and inorganic colorants in their pigments- insoluble opaque oxides, lakes, and iron oxide pigments (Inorganic)IRON OXIDES- Most widely used b/c they are more stable. They are NON-TOXIC, inert, safe/harmless, and non-reactive. Their have been no allergic reactions reported that I am aware of. ORGANIC- many organic pigments are vegetable and fruit based, and some are classified as organic simply b/c they contain a Carbon Molecule. These have been known to cause allergic reactions, and this is just one of the reasons that most every clinic uses inorganic. There are many other factors including Pigment Particle Sizes, but I just don't have time to get into all of that right now. The main thing to remember is that every single SMP provider gets their Pigments from a Manufacturer, they do not make these pigments themselves in some 'Special Lab'. More importantly, upon receiving the pigments, each provider mixes and dilutes the pigments differently and with varying consistencies. There is just simply no way to know exactly what a provider is using, and you know that they will not give you a sample to take home and have tested yourself LOL. There is a lot of marketing spin they will put in the description of the pigments they use, but no way to know for sure what is being used. You asked about which fades faster. Fading has more to do with the insertion depth of the pigment, the individual's care for their scalp-mainly avoiding UV ray exposure, and also the individual's Immune system aggression level- which is different in everyone. **Important to remember, ink particles are viewed as foreign material by your phagocytic cells (cells that ingest foreign particles).

a very interesting article I posted a while back on the subject of "temporary" ink. A must read for those considering the Temporary smp thing: Semi-Permanent Tattoos that Last 6 Months - 6 Years and Fade Away On Their Own that addresses the myths of this "temporary tattoo" movement: Truth or Myth: Semi-permanent tattoos that fade away and disapear on their own I’m guessing you’ve probably heard of the “semi-permanent” tattoo – the one that only lasts 6 months. Or was that 6 years? No one seems to know, because it can’t be done. However, the rumors are real – there are even some tattooers claiming they can do it – some of them say the tattoo will last six months to a year. Some say 3 to 5 years. The 3-5 year ones are actually smarter - I mean, who's going to even be able to find them in 3-5 years to tell them they were wrong? Why do people want a semi-permanent tattoo anyway? Why is this idea so popular? Because they don’t like commitment! Over 40% of American marriages end in divorce – and sometimes you have to live with a tattoo longer than your spouse! So, it is easy to see why the idea of a tattoo with a short commitment would be appealing to many. Change your mind? No problem! In a few months it’ll be gone anyway! NOT! The fact is, when you insert tattoo ink under the skin, it's there to stay. It may fade over time, but it won't just disappear. There is no magical ink that fades completely away after a predetermined length of time. Some of them will say that they tattoo the ink so lightly that it doesn't become permanent - that somehow it's only embedded in a temporary layer of skin that will wash it away. This is also impossible. There are 3 main layers of epidermis - most tattoos go into the second layer. But if you only go into the first layer (which would require surgical if not magical precision) the ink may very well fade - but not evenly and not completely. What you'd be left with is a really crappy half-tattoo with splotches of ink here and there. Klicks Tattoo quotes an article from The Times where Dr. Arthur Morris, a plastic surgeon, says, "A tattoo only lasts if it goes into the dermis [the layer of cells below the epidermis]. In other words, there is no possible middle ground." In the same article, Lal Hardy, a secretery for the A.P.T., is quoted as saying, "Professional tattoo studios won't go near these so-called temporary tattoos. It is hairdressers and market stalls who are doing them. The people doing it may even believe the tattoos are temporary, but those getting them are guinea pigs."So, basically, this is nothing but a scam. Stick-on tattoos are temporary (3-7 days) and henna art is temporary (2-4 weeks) and tattoos are permanent. Those are the only real choices you have. If you are not prepared to keep your tattoo for the rest of your life, you'd be best off not to get one at all.

LOL, wait hold on a sec BUSA.... so, first you speak negatively of Permanent SMP on a different thread posting the following ignorant statements about perm smp to me: "it was pointed out that in several years it will fade and bleed and most likely give that blu-green look that tattoos giv ppl after many years." "seems more like you got duped into thinking the permanent type ink is the way to go and now feel offended wen that has been pointed out to u.u said 3 years uve had it. well, 3 years isn't a long time wen it comes to ink." "ur confusing PERMANENT ink with PERMANENTLY looking GOOD. just because somthn is permanent like the ink they used with you doesn't mean its gonna giv one a desired look after many years. and if the color changes and you start looking like a SMURF ull be singing a different tune won't u?" And then, literally hours after posting these negative comments regarding permanent smp, you are complimenting TheBottomend on his PERMANENT SMP TREATMENT that he received from Headstrong????? And you are even asking about pricing like you are interested in permanent SMP now? That's a nice 180 you did sport! Maybe you should not post until you do some reading on this particular subject, you only serve to confuse people with your bs

LOL....yea ok.... best of luck sport, looks like you are doing great so far

Man what is it with Bald Guys With Plugs Why are they so Angry? 1) I was never duped, I did tons of research and then some and chose the provider best for me. The poor men getting duped are the ones opting to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on Hair Transplants only to have Huge Scars or FUE holes, puny pathetic hairs on their head, and be laughed at behind their backs everywhere they go;) 2)LOL definitely not offended at all bud! The reason I was annoyed is b/c I get frustrated when SALESMEN pop up on here and attempt to twist the facts in order to serve their own selfish purposes! My point of posting was not self-serving, I know my Treatment is Awesome and Quite Frankly do not need conformation or positive feedback from strangers on a forum to confirm this fact. Do you see me posting any pics? I know the facts, not just the silly fairytales that salesmen try and tell on these forums in order to sell their product. As far as my SMP, I get great feedback from just about everyone I encounter, and it is impossible to tell that I have SMP. Usually people will ask me why I shave my head b/c I appear to have full head of hair, or they'll comment that I am a guy who shaves but doesnt have to, or they'll ask me if Im in the marines or military. Many just say "you look really good with a shaved head." 3) Maybe you should re-read the Pigmentalia Salesman's post, he said: "In SMP this can mean that the dots will expand and start to connect leaving a shade of grey-blue, this will not look natural after a few years." A FEW, Moron! Not ten! Well it has been more than a few years since my treatment and it looks flawless. Ten years down the line? Dude, I have lots of black and grey tattoos, had them for 20 plus years, none have blurred or turned blue green or purple or orange. I avoid sun exposure to the tats and if I am exposed I use sunscreen every time. You do understand the body's immune response to sunburn and how this affects tattoos, Right? But I do understand that regular tattoos will blur over time and take on a slight blue hue, and I know the physiological reasons for this. Do You?? That being said, Micropigmentation pigments and tattoo pigments are completely different. If you believe they are not, I have a sandbox in Florida Id like to sell you for a very generous price The bottom line is this: I look in the mirror and I am happy with what I see, and apparently SMP suits me b/c I get compliments all the time. Granted I have a great face, have a healthy diet, and work out and run daily keeping my body in good physical shape and quite honestly, I just look good anyway-Hair or no Hair. But the point is I received a top notch product and only come on here to help others with information that I was not given when I was searching for a provider. I am not searching for answers or a Hair Transplant Doc or a miracle drug. Most of us on here are just legitimate men who know the emotional stress of losing our hair, and for SOME OF US, that creates the desire to help others that were in our same position when we started searching for a solution-we are not just simply looking at members and seeing Dollar Signs attempting to get their MONEY. It's a real shame that people like you have to start crap with guys like me who are only trying to offer the knowledge and experience with SMP I have to guys asking specifically for it. Now Im sure you'll sit in your little Office Cubicle or at the Starbucks with your Tablet and try and think of another smart ass sarcastic comment to shoot my way, but at the end of the day I know the truth about SMP and am Extremely Happy I had it done. I honestly hope you are as happy with your appearance as I am with mine. Cheers

LOL! Nope, didn't get "my panties in a wad", and that is the most sissy expression I have heard in a while,guy. I honestly do not have the time to look at your post history to learn if you are pro-temp smp or pro HT or just a little girl weakling, but I will say that I know quite a bit about permanent smp and even more about Physiology and the Anatomy of the scalp- Macrophages, Collagen Matrix, Migrating/traveling cells which have ingested ink etc etc. More importantly, I know about a dozen men who have received permanent smp between 8-12 years ago, and most of their heads look exactly as good as they did when they received the smp initially. 2 of the men's have faded b/c of sun exposure, but even those 2 men's heads have not turned blue/green or "smurf Head" as you put it. some of their dots have simply vanished! If you are honestly and seriously attempting to Equate Micropigmentation Pigments to Tattoo Pigments, then with all due respect, you are an ignorant fool who does not know how to read and knows Zero about the micropigmentation industry. I never said that Temporary SMP is a bad thing. I think it is great for men who do not want to commit and dont mind spending a couple grand every year and a half.

Last thing, sorry, but you said after a few years perm smp won't look natural and will look bluish. My smp is over 3 years old and looks as real today as the day I received my first treatment. Can you please explain why this is? Am I the one exception?? So much bs and misinformation out there, what a joke Lol

My apologies for the question marks btw, I was trying to use my phones smiley faces but it didn't convert. Best of luck using Milena Lardi's name to make money