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Hi snowy Im a vet of 5 hair transplants of varying sizes. The results varied wildly too. Of the 4 that had results. In the last one which was 1200 grafts things were looking awesome at 3 months ( all thecshock loss hair was back and there was definite new growth ) and i thought this is going to be the best ht yet.than v suprisingly the next phase 3 months - to 6 months there was thickening slightly but no real growth, at month 7 i suffered personal trauma didnt eat for a week.and had severe shedding.by 12 months there had been no real additional growth. BUT between months 12-15 i than saw more growth and thickening and at the end i could say the growth was very erratic but worth it, a half decent result not spectacular but half decent So in answer after six months u could have growth all the way up to month 15

You have to compliment arekk he posted here consistently with updates despite the trauma and unneccesary emotional suffering he will have gone through .its a very poor result .the whole transection excuse is nonsense this was a pretty bald head there wasnt much hair to strt off with.im glad bisanga is honouring another ht.although it should be 2000 not 1000 grFts

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Hi bill as the origional post states the donor strip work started at 10 am. Lol as for my user name ,it relates to the bald patch in shock loss i got two weeks after my 3rd procedure and it just happened suddenly one morning!

Anavar and equipoise are the only ones that are close to relatively safe and even than it must be 100 percent clean pharma gear from one of the few pure labs such as alpha pharma india.and even than in my experience not more than 20mg anavar or 1ml equipoise every month.eq is very long acting. Ive simply never ever understood 90 percent of gear users on forums who are dimwitted junkies who will take 100mg when 20 mg will do and 4 ml when 0.5 ml will do.

My advice to you my friend would be it is madness taking steroid injections if you have mpb issues Take it from someone who has experience about what hes talking about. I have now had 5 procedures. After the second result i was happy but 8 months of steroids ruined that result. Most ateroids are underground gear all it takes is one lousy batch Third procedure of 2200 grafts was growing well at 10 months when again 1 injection of losy gear ruined it. For my fourth procedure of 1200 grafts i was able to find pharmaceutical gear from india and never did more than 0.25 ml equipoise every two weeks along with half a mg of fin 3 times a week,pretty much after 6 weeks post op i started this regime,stuck to it for six months and the hair grew okay but far from a spectacular result still it grew .but after my fifth and last im not touching anything

I recently had a 1500 graft procedure. Once the marking ,discussion was over it started at 10am. There were 4 people working on the extraction and after the doc did incisions, than two persons planting the grafts all thework was done without a break.all the work and washing at end was done by 2pm Does the time taken for 1500 grafts sound right?

Im sorry to hear you were scammed by romanians.its not the first story ive heard about ht disasters that side of the world

I got this kind of thing after my 2nd procedure in 2011. Like you i was freaked out.it also hit about 10-14 days post op. It took mine 6-7 weeks to fill in. So its temporary. In meanwhile buy dermatch to cover up this shockloss

.....on recipient areas. (Ps after just having my 4th small procedure i ought to know this but its been so long:))

Yes thats exactly what the nobel clinic did. I prefer the rough wiry hair i got in pakistan as it can be tamed with an anti frizz shampoo and a light gel cream like that by brylcreem

Gel helps smooth it all out if parted on the side but if i brush it back it really needs to be trimmed right or looks rough

Ive had 4 hair transplants and this facet was a hallmark of the last two larger ones i had done in pakistan but not the two i had in england oddly enough. The pakistani ones provided greater growth and the ones i had with rogers and nobel clinic the hair wasnt wiry rough and unruly but nevertheless had a unnatural vertical look

When u do lose a graft u will definitely know it.a single lost hair graft can produce a long fast running stream of blood!!!

u will be fine either way bro. 4 months ago it was me on here saying I had suffered terrible recipient area shock loss and also more alarmingly donor area shock loss in the form of balf patches on the side of my head!! The hair up there reassured me and lo and behold 2 and a half months later all the hair returned!!

im just wondering people here post things like Im 4 months post op. Do they mean 4 full months say nov/dec/jan/feb or are they calculating 4 sets of a 28 day month ? In my case my operation was on 17th november 2011. so by today March the 12th I am 116 days post op. So on the basis of each month being a standard 28 days does that mean i am 4 months 4 days post op or should i say I am 3 months (dec/jan/feb) and 25 days (13 in nov and 12 in march) post op I dont mean to sound perdantic but it is rather important to me, as after my initial terrible shock loss. I had a spectacular first three weeks in February but this last 3 weeks have slowed down too. I am looking at many members photo albums and there is one common link the 4 month post op to 5 and a half months post op period seems to be the one with spectacular growth. In my own case after 4 months. The one area i am deeply concerned with is the lowered hairline,that is the areas that were totally bald before, these have had tiny hairs sparsely spaced for the last few months which have not grown at all.is that normal. ?

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Hi I had 2 small strip HTs in 06 (250 grafts) & 07 (750 grafts) where my head wasnt shaved and i had none of this 3 months ago i had my 3rd HT which was FUE and shaved head with 2450 grafts. I got exactly what u have right now at week 2 and i was distraught i came on here and several members and dr charles consoled me saying the hair should grow back Thankfully it did all grow in by 3 months. In the meanwhile i got away with using dermatch (i have black hair) and keeping it quite short on the sides . You will be fine bro. try not to worry the vast majority of people recover within 3 months.

Hi I think your in a great position. At this stage if the hairs fall, they will only grow back thicker....on the other hand if they dont fall they will continue to grow thicker and thicker....either way u win! Im 3 months post HT. the first 7 weeks are the hardest if u had all your head shaved but at 2 months its all onwards and upwards!

36 days have elapsed since my last post and.................its been FANTASTIC!!! my donor area bald patches have just disappeared and the hair has grown in fast the last 10 days and is back to normal! So all in it took 2 months 2 weeks after the initial shock loss at the 2 week post operation period for the areas to fill in! Im relived as i idid read some had to wait 3-5 months for the area to fill in. THe initial shocking sudden greying i experiences in the same donor shock loss bald patch areas well that had disappeared even earlier at the 2 month post op stage as detailed in my previous post. Now for the actual result at the recipient area which was the front third of my hairline at 3 months post op......... its looking even better at this stage than i was at pre op which is what i expected all along.There is much more volume and thicker than I was at pre op It all looks very natural, and blends in tremendously. The doctor had lowered my hairline and the new lowered area is coming along slower as youd expect but is also already filling in well and even if it stayed like this it would look natural. The angle of the grafts is great just as i wanted it and has seemingly remedied the vertical nobel clinic angle of the 2nd hair transplant I had, which in fairness was probably one of nobels better ones....as it was only in summer 2007...and those idiots had apparently learnt something from their earlier botched surgeries. In a nutshell at 86 days post op all my pre trasnplant native and previously transplanted hair has all grown back and new hair is already thick and voluminious....I am already in better condition than i was pre op and the new hair looks tremendously natural, the angles of placement perfect . Its exciting to think the real growth is only starting now:D I will eventually post pictures and name this doctor after another 3 months, if the good works continues. I am a hard man to please and i gave this doctor a hard time after i suffered the shock loss. But i am a fair man, and this doctor may well be the best kept secret on this board. Certainly he has good reviews amongst scandinavian language speakers throughout who are his primary western clientele and his lab facilities were the finest i have seen anywhere (note this latest HT doctors clinic facilities with their marbled floors, plasma oled tvs, state of the art miscroscopes, made the nobel clinic and harley street clinic where i had my first two transplants look like a public toilet in comparison). The price i paid was also a third of what i could have expected to pay in the UK I realise now this family firm of doctors decision to spread the surgery over 3 days (6 hours each day) paid tremendous dividends as the extra time they took over placement has created a natural result and avoided any transection of the previous pre existing hair.

hi, Im now 2.5 months post HT of this 2450 graft HT (all at front third of my head, FUE, hair shaved down for op) . The first month was very very slow, but after i started using regaine on the recipient area scalp musing hairmax laser 3 days a week on rfecipient area, and using MSM and biotin things rapidly progressed to the point now at 2:5 months where the new hair that did avoid falling out (around one fifth of the 2450 grafts i would say) have grown pretty long and done a good job in making me look to others almost back (with a short haircut) to where i was pre op, altho I myself obviously can see from my pre op pics that i am still a long way away from my pre op level, as a) my right temple there is still considerable shock loss the pre op hair has not come back well. b) my donor area bald spots are as bad as ever although dermatch and the fact my worst right side is against a wall at work, means i get around this pretty well i can stand in a queue in a shop and no one will notice a thing. I hope in the next 6 weeks (month 2.5 to 4 month post op) the pre op hair on my right side comes back and the new hair starts to fill in god willing. Okay my question is this , the regaine i bought principally to use on my crown and i can say it is doing a good job the thinning there has stopped, and the fact this non treated area was shaved has made the hair come back thick naturally, but the recipient area which i am splashing with regaine twice a day, this last 1 week im noticing quite a lot of shedding of cm cm long grown HT hairs, this morning I counted 23 hairs lost to applying the foam and rubbing it in, and this evening 21 hairs so 43 hairs lost in a day, and it has been the same all week!!..........im tempted given recovering is coming along well at 2.5 months post op to stop applying regaine to the recipient area now, and just do it on the crown, as i think the rubbing of the lotion is causing too much shedding..........what do u guys think? please advise?

The bottom line is....its best to be cautious for ten days....u had a shampoo in surgery post HT......so just rinse your hair gently with water (non direct shower and very low pressure water) keep it wet. DO NOT shampoo like u do normally, do not use your fingers, dont rub or scrub....use a small amount of shampoo on the recipient area and use your finger tips very very gently....and rinse off very quickly just to keep it clean....and dont do it every day every 2 days....after day 10-12 than shampoo normally and clean the area......the reason i say this is.....after day 10 the grafts can be disturbed....so for the sake of being pateint no point risking it.....the reason i said dont use much shampoo cos the problem i had on this my third HT is that i used this horrible thock alpecin after this HT on day 5 and it is too thick to get out of ur hair without normal rubbing and massage, so what happened it got stuck on my scalp and hindered the hair from breathing and i got bad dandruff. I was mighty releived on day 12 to shampoo hard

i came on here 4 weeks ago with some legitimate concerns at the time, looking for sympathy and instead got a few people trying to sensationalise and make things out to be worse than they were. I was asked why did you post this thread and I said " to get some sympathy and reassurance and answers" instead i got "you went to a quack" nonsense based on zero evidence. certainly none provided by me......so i took down this thread and my comments.....as i didnt want a surgeon unfairly maligned.....so Its only fair i provide a update since this thread was not deleted to give the proper picture. In mitigation to me the doldrums phase of this HT (post week 1 up to week 7 in my case has been a very hard time waiting and not knowing iif the op was succesful is an awful feeling. but now at week 7 and 2 days i feel the old elation i had the day i left the surgery back! I will explain why below........... Eventually at week 4 the surgeon sent me his surgery pics (he had been working abroad) and my feeling on seeing them was the same as the initial feeling of elation i had had leaving the surgery. The work indeed had been first class, clean and tidy and densely packed in the exact areas i asked for. I was confident i had been given 2450 grafts as there were plenty of comparison pics on here. He reassured me about the donor area shock loss and bald patches and said they would improve otherwise he would do repair work for free but said he was certain the area would improve within 3 more months. They have improved 4 weeks further by virtue of the hair around them helping greatly to cover them. but the skin remains bald still. But things didnt get worse which was my biggest concern 30 days ago and i am now past the point where i can have further shock loss in the donor area. also spex kindly told me of dermatch which is a great conceealor. Elsewhere on this forum the same day i was told by others i should have been applying regaine to all of my recipient area as well and taking biotin pills to ease the seperate recipient area shock loss where it appeared at week 3 post op to me that my native hair was not growing or growing very very slowly.... I have been doing this ever since applying regaine and taking biotin.....I have also thanks to newhairlosses very helpful advice taken MSM as well.....all has helped wonderfully the last 4 weeks and 2 days. I can conclusively say 4 further weeks down the line, there has been a big imrprovement my pre op native hair is coming back fast with a vengeance! To the extent i had my first sides and back hair cut to grade2 and suddenly i look almost back to where i was pre op! i beleive within another 2 -2 and a half weeks i will be there! I thank god its such a relief, as given i had a fair amount of native hair already in the area i was being given 2450 grafts, I was paranoid about transection...i hadnt even read up that this could happen or was a risk...I can also now see clearly the smart clean natural way the surgeon has created/lowered my new hairline. It looks remarkably natural. In short things are looking good 7 weeks and 2 days post op. One thing that has helped me also in the last 4 weeks is , i have started at the doctors advice doing some simple blood flow exercises at night prior to sleep which surely must have helped this remarkable turn around in the last 4 weeks from the first depressing 3 weeks when i didnt realise what was going on and realised i hadnt done my research despite two previous far smaller HTs....since this was a far more complex procedure than my first two HT's and i hadnt even been aware of shock loss in the donor and recipient area from my two first hair transplants which had only been 250 grafts and 750 grafts respectively only in my right temple this is excusable . But my impatience wasnt. I now am very confident at what i have seen that i was fortunate enough to have gone to a highly skilled and capable surgeon who was exactly what he said on his website and in his native european country. I also know his is a family practice and the other family members practicing are also high skilled and qualified....clearly thats what i felt during the operation, the facilities were first class nay luxurious almost. Marbelled floors, hi tech machinery....and the hygiene second to none. Donor Shock loss can happen to any patient of even the best doctor......in my initial ignorant anger 2 weeks post HT i mistakenly beleived it could only be the result of doctor error in taking out grafts....I know now it can happen to the best of doctors and is due to individual patient scalp sensitivity and can be very random even in the hands of the most skilled doctor...which clearly my HT surgeon was......it happened to me i was one of the unlucky few......I have taken more pictures and will carry on keeping a record and when i reach 6 months stage i will happily post pictures so that other patients can have the option of another hghly skilled HT surgeon to add to the list of other network approved ones. I guess the moral of the story is, I was uneducated what a big complex procedure entails in terms of shock loss potentially, being shaven down and having to wait 7-8 weeks to have to endure 2-3 months of this ugly duckiling stage where u look worse than when u started....but being patient to realise if you have put your self in the hands of a skilled doctor and followed his advice u will just have to endure this 7 weeks like i did and come out looking good and finally know this surgery is going to be succesful. I see all the signs the new clearly defined hairline, the multitude of well designed single hair hairline hairs at the front, the way the old pre op hair is growing fast, I am assured transection has not taken place and the recipient shock loss was temporary not permanent. Of course my fears were understandable and i came on here just to express i was depressed at this state of uncertainly at week 3.....I stick with my assertion n6 and newhairloss were trying to muckrake/make things sound far worse than they were and n6 was jumping to conclusions trying to again make things seem worse than they were (ie my pre op hair state ) rather than listen to what i said about the two contrasting pre op pics.......all that is the past though I accept we all make mistakes.....So i will be updating my results conclusively in the future and based on what i have seen so far recommending this first class HT surgeon who apart from his highly skilled work also was very patient when i lashed out at him, at week 3.......we all have personality clashes but I am an unbreakably fair man and i give credit where its due..... also on a seperate note no offence to n6 or new hairloss.....we all have misunderstandings and i thank both of u for taking the time to post...its just we all had a misunderstanding and i didnt want to malign a HT doctor unfairly...as i may be emotional but im always fair..

I was using tongkat ali years before it became well known in the west. I used to drink it as a tea back than. I didnt experience any hairloss. Tribullus is again a mild test booster I havent taken it myself but know others who do. No problems ive seen in them (we're talking 4 blokes).....the big bitch u want to avoid is stanozolol/winstrol which is a common oral steroid people get started on.....I took a diff steroidfor a year which was the mildest anabolic steroid and had no bad effects. The first time i took stanaozolol/winstrol even tho it was only a puny 10mg.....by the first three weeks a terrible terrible thinness had overcome my hair....especially in the crown (first time ever i had problems there) and a diffuse thinning on top which became brutally apparent the day i went for a haircut. Once it was cut, I saw how much thinner it was.......DONT EVER TOUCH STANOZOLOL/WINSTROL....sure many young blokes take it and get nothng but there is not a bloke over 30 i know who hasnt got MPB who has taken it.Its the absolute worst drug for hairloss and one of the cheapest.

totally normal. Im on my third HT and this has happened every time, the scabs come off and the hair comes off with them....but later the grafts which were intact ensured the hair grew