brentipold

You're making it as simple as just lowering estrogen.. It's really not that simple.. Ppl who take armitrex, which nearly suppresses estrogen if u take enough of it still have no improvement.. Its more of a thyroid/adrenal issue... U can have levels of 4000 in T and still have no sexual function without it getting released... With a myself included my T is good and E is ok and Im still having side effects, because my T is getting bottle necked somewhere..... I honestly don't believe that you magically cured two people from this stuff. You havent dealt with these problems yourself, so I really dont know where your coming from on this whole subject.. 1 month is not any reason to panic.. its 1 month.. jeez.. You dont need just basic tests to figure this out.. its a complex issue.. Otherwise there wouldnt be anyone out there with these problems...

Well if you were prescribed fin by a doctor then i'll assume that you have insurance.. You're going to have to find a doctor that will agree to test things.. I recommend going to propeciahelp.com and finding guys from the UK who have found good docs in the UK that will run the tests... Trying to pay for the tests will cost u 10,000$ So I HOPE you have insurance... Otherwise, I really feel bad for ya.. But give it some more time.. Its only been 6 weeks....By the 3rd month you'll find out whether or not youre in some trouble.. for right now.. My advice to you would be to excercise 3-4 times a week, and sleep AT LEAST 7 hours a night.. Sleep is the most important thing. Its when your body rebuilds... SO please try to make sure your going enough sleep. No late nights or anything.. When I was still taking propecia, I always felt that when I got a good night of sleep the side effects were much less... Youre body is used to a certain pattern so it would be good to get in that good sleep habit for a month or so so hopefully things will improve for ya.. Feel free to send me a msg or anything if you have any other questions. I have an Iphone so Ill know when you send the msg instantly thru email notfication.. Brent

He said your testosterone of 479 was normal? BA HAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!! First of all, Hes a fool. 479 is good if your 60 years old.. After 30 years old your Test decreasese by 2% per year... IDK how old you are but if your 40 or younger, thats NOT good, and propecia is blocking dht, but it is also blocking to much T as well. Low T is why you are have having ED. Once you quit taking the drug your hormones will stablize. Your DHT will probably go up to about mid range, while your T should be in the upper 5's or lower 6's. Another reason why youre having ED is probably because your Estrogen is too high as well.. Again, another great side effect from Propecia.. Estrogen kills erections.. Especially morning/nocturnal or spontaneous ones.. Elevated estrogen makes all sexual function including libido, very difficult.... 479 good. ba hahaha what a joke!!!

Blood tests needed: Total Testosterone Free Testosterone Bioavailable Testosterone Androstenedione Androstenediol DHT (not accurate compared to Adiol-G) 3alpha-diol G (Androstanediol glucuronide-- "Adiol-G" for short): metabolite of DHT, measures 5AR-II activity Androsterone glucuronide (another metabolite of DHT that measures 5AR activity) Estradiol (E2) Estrone (E1) Total Estrogens LH FSH DHEA-s Cortisol Cortisone Corticosterone Deoxycorticosterone Aldosterone SHBG Prolactin Progesterone Pregnenolone 17-OH Progesterone 17-OH Pregnenolone Albumin ACTH PSA TSH Free T3 Free T4 IGF-1 IGF-BP3 CBC or FBC (Complete Blood Count/Full Blood Count) LFT (Liver Function Tests - AST, ALT, GGT, Bilirubin, etc.) Androgen/Estrogen ratio Testosterone/DHT ratio Reverse T3 - very important thyroid hormone

Now that I see you are from the UK as well, iJ makes a good point. UK doctors are awful when trying to deal with these problems. However, ij is wrong when he says that you just need to restart ur HPTA system. For most people it is not that easy. There are people who have been treated with Propecia side effects who have testosterone levels in the 4000's! and still cant function properly. It has more to do with then dealing with Testosterone. Thyroid hormones are the most important thing to check, because a strong number of us on the propeciahelp.com believe it is a thyroid adrenal issue... or a pituitary gland issue.. Look, from what im reading correctly, it's only been a month and you havnt returned to normal? however, you have made some improvements. I think you should take my advice and your own advice and wait 3 months to see if u go back to normal. Some people take longer to get over the side effects then others. If you still havent recovered in the 3 months time, then you should start to get proactive. I wish I would have done something at the 3 month mark instead of the 1 year mark. I would already be back to normal.

Okay, why is this iJ guy panicking over here? Illuminated, are you recovered from these side effects? Let me get this straight, you took 1/5th of Proscar and still had side effects? If that's the case you probably can not take the drug. Your body just cant handle it. Once you quit taking the drug, did the side effects go away? If so, I dont know what the big deal is... If however you are still suffering from these side effects, after 3 months you should probably go to your doctor. You need to research and find a very good anti aging doctor. or Dr. shippen, Dr. mariano, or Crisler. Those are the big 3 in my eyes. Blood tests, yes you'll need them.. There are so many tests you'll need to get. If you want to know them all and more information send me a msg on here and ask me some questions.. I know quite a lot about this subject....

No, It depends on how sensitive your hair is to DHT. Your DHT could be sky high but you wont lose your hair because your hair is NOT sensitive to DHT. Comprendo?

no thyroid problems in my family on either side... also many other ppl on that board have thyroid hormone issues... coincidence? I don't think so....

I bet if we took a poll on here, I'd say at least 15% of the men suffer some sort of side effect.... Blood tests don't lie my friend, sorry. That medication messed up my thyroid.. You don't develop a thyroid problem at age 23.. sorry. Especially when no one in your family, on either side has had a problem. I'm not trying to say the medication is horrible. It does a lot of good for people who don't have any side effects. I've even recommended it to people. The people on the site are legit, and so are their stories.. I live it everyday. It's hard for a lot of ppl to wrap their head around if they don't have any side effects from it.. so I really dont think you can talk or should have any input on the situation.

Hopefully your problems disappear after a while..IF NOT, I'd strongly recommend checking out that board and see and educate yourself on why exactly you have having depression/brainfog.. A lot of the ppl on the site are kind of nutty, but theres some poeple who have healed themselves of their depression/brain fog.. Sorry for calling him an idiot. I tried to edit, but it woldnt let me.. But he is seriously misguided lets just say..

Honestly I wouldn't listen to any of these fools... I'm actually a Propecia sufferer, and have quit for 1 year and 5 months and sides still remain... My best advice to you would be to quit taking the drug till your sides disappear (98% sure they will). Riding it out for a year is literally the dumbest thing you can possibly do.. That's what got me in trouble. As far as the first poster saying its in your head, he honestly must have brain damage... Here's what you should do after you quit and return to normal.. Go to Walgreen's and get a pill cutter (should be like 3$).. Get the 1/5 of the pill u are taking and cut it into 4ths if you can.. ive never seen fin, only Propecia so IDK if you can cut them into 4ths. IF you can cut them into 4th's, take 1/4 pill(.25 mg) everyday (When I was doing that I had no side effects).. I believe there is a chart on here of a study that says fin can block about 65% of dht with .25mg... Its better then nothing and should help you in some way. Make sure you take the .25mg and stick with it.. Dont be taking .25 one day then the next take .50 then .25 the next day.. .50mg was to much for me and it gave me sides as well. If the .25mg gives you side effects then you should probably quit the drug all together.. These ppl saying that the sides clear up after a year are few and far between and are the extreme extreme minority or they are just full of crap.. Look, i'm not trying to scare you by saying you shouldn't take the drug.. Because I think its a good drug for a lot of people, and it improved my hair drastically. I'm simply trying to help you out by telling you the best way to probably take the medication and may help your hair out and the ed bullshit. Also no disrespect to any of the people who I said don't know what they are talking about... I'm sorry, but you clearly do not know what you're talking about. I've been through a whole lot with this drug and I have a pretty good understand about what it can do.

lolz!!!

Actually I thought the picture they showed, looked good... expect the fact that it was not under a flash and there was only ONE.. LoL.... That scares me right there.. IF these companies want ppl to believe them then they cant show 1, they need to post several.. Otherwise how do they expect ppl to spend money based on 1 picture.. you'd be a FOOL.

can you PM me the link, Id like to read it.. TY.

probably a bunch of crap to be quite honest.... dont get your hopes up..

im hoping by 2013 for Histogen.. where did you hear it was 2014?

I dont mean to be a jerk by saying this, but a simple google search will give you tons of information instead of waiting for a response on here.

WOW! You definitely made a lot of progress w/ it. I'm going to take some pichars now so I can compare in 3 months.. Do you appy it twice a day? I apply it only once a day at night before I go to bed. Doing it in the morning before work is just to messy and hard to deal with. I also cut my hair down to a 2 guard so its easy to apply and I know it actually makes its way to the scalp. I know a lot of people only see results as far as just having the little baby hairs come and thats it, but hopefuly my results will be like yours. Also, did you go through any sort of shedding phase? I didn't. Has it also stopped halted your hairloss as far as shedding? thanks

Ive been using rogaine foam for about 2 months now, and ive started to notice some lil baby hairs growing on my temples, hairline, and even my forehead....They are so small that you cant see them in the mirror unless you move in close enough. Has anyone experienced where these hairs actually turned into thick hairs and were visible? I have so many that I think if they all became normal hairs it would even get me off the NW scale..... I'm not counting on this happening but was just interested in hearing anyones experience if it did happen to them.. thanks.

phase 1 clinical trials? huh?

uhh.. i dont think there formula is common knowledge to everyone.....?

yea idk what they are talking about.

Can anyone say for certain that this product has helped them with their hairloss? I'm a little skeptical, but have been thinking of giving it a try along with rogaine which im already using.. I know most on here consider it part of the big 3, but im just mainly looking for someone who maybe just uses this product by itself.. thanks in advance..

I don't know if you've seen my other posts about this company, but I certainly believe they are legit...I was just simply throwing that out there...

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