FUE without shaving | ~2000 Grafts | Turkish clinics

[flatronw2252]

Hello everyone, it's my first post here but I was searching this forum rather extensively last two weeks (and much longer I was on some Reddits regarding hair loss). Im decide that I want to undergo hair transplant in next month and so this thread is my journal where I will be posting updates about my me and my hair  

My background

I am 25yo male and I started noticing hair loss on my scalp (Norwood 2) since I was like 17-18. Genetically I have more oval shaped hair line, whereas my 2 years older brother have perfect straight line till today. At about my 18th birthday dermatologist confirmed that I have androgenic alopecia and prescribed me minoxidil 5%. I was using it with minor improvement (hair stopped falling and had a bit of regrowth), like that "on and off" for about 4 years and then I added finasteride which gave me really bad ED (but helped with regrowth!). I guess it was mostly because I was taking it on my own, without much knowledge about the drug and how to dose it + I was not in best condition mentally. Basically since early 2022 I was off any treatment.

Current state

Right now, after more than 2 years without any treatment I found myself with Norwood 3 and my temples are 90% gone. I can still hide most of my receded hairline with longer hair but with just a little bit of wind my hair is getting messy and look bad again.

Transplant decision

Since I got remote work I could get transplant without most of people knowing about it (which is important for me) and that idea is really tempting. I still live with my family so normal full shave FUE/FUT* transplant is not ideal option for me. I found out that most of reliable surgeons discussed on this forum do perform kind of transplant called unshaven FUE or non-shave FUE which require just to shave donor area - that is much better option for me. Later on, during my research I found that some clinics even perform completely unshaven FUE, so there is no need to shave even donor area. Perfect! I decided that's what I will be looking for with my budget (about 4000-4500€)

* I really never considered FUT because in my opinion it needs more time to heal and leave really obvious scar.

Choosing clinic

I live in Europe and cost of tickets to Turkey are really cheap, I can get there for as little as 150€ and since my budget is not big Turkey is the place to go for me. I got in touch with few Turkish clinics, some of them was hair mills (having good and bad opinions here) and some doctors (as well having good and bad opinions on this forum) so I got idea how many grafts I need and how much it will cost.

• Longevita - hairmill - cheapest option that I talked with, the whole experience was the perfect example of a place to avoid. They WhatsApp is a joke, basically it's a chat bot and you don't talk with real human. After sending photos of my scalp I got quote for about 2200€ for unshaven FUE and someone called me from UK mobile number. I think someone can get nice transplant there but it's more of a lottery. That's my thoughts after reading some reviews on this forum.

• Atilla & Turan clinic - I think it might be a scam - I almost booked with them. I did not found much information about them. Only good reviews from last 2 months. They have some YouTube channel with some videos as well uploaded not a while a go and on their website there's no even address of their clinic. Really suspicious. The guy I was chatting on WhatsApp was very unprofessional and tried to catch me (?) with giving me "early bird discount" if I will make deposit right now on theirs Wise Transfer app account. Too many red flags. I might make another thread about it. They quoted me for 1800 grafts.

• Yaman clinic - the most recommended clinic on this forum on my list - I feel the talk on WhatsApp was really professional. They have just two packages, one for 3250$ ca. 3000€ for 2000-2500 grafts. That's ok for but its unshaven FUE with shaven donor area. Not ideal for but for sure have the most good reviews on this forum. Unfortunately recently I found some reviews with not so good results (might be just coincidence). If I would look for unshaven FUE with shaven donor area I would definitely stop here and choose them.

• Heva Clinic - very well known hair mill with aggressive marketing on social media - they quoted me for 5200€. Not in my budget, it's a hair mill. I didn't talk with them more.

• DrT Hair / dr Tayfun Oguzoglu clinic - first clinic with specific doctor that do completely unshaven FUE - on this forum and reddit I found really mixed results. But since they advertise dr Tayfun as a surgeon with more than 20 years of experience in hair transplant I was still interested of their service. I found some more solid good reviews on Turkish forum. They quoted me for 2000 grafts. Price list they gave me for completely unshaven FUE: 2€ for short hair and 3€ for long hair. I did not managed to get information what length is consider as "long hair" but they assured me that my donor is ok to be "short hair".

• Kozamet / dr Harun Samiloglu - Kozamet is an agency that do hair transplant and some kind of teeth surgeries/operations as far as I found. They advertise that the only doctor involved in hair transplant is dr Harun Samiloglu, which sounds reasonable for me. I found on this forum just two reviews of transplant performed by dr Harun Samiloglu and reviews was good. Later on I found some more informations on German and Turkish forum. All of reviews was posted during last 5 years. They have as well some YouTube channel with videos (in German language) that was uploaded 5 years ago. Even that is agency I see they have real reviews and just don't seem to do any unethical marketing. They quoted me for 1800 grafts as well. Price list they gave me for completely unshaven FUE is 2.5€/graft and 1.5€ for partial FUE (if someone interested).

After all this conversations I understood that I need about 1800-2000 grafts. Initially I hoped that 1500 will be enough. I have a thought that maybe in future I might need another transplant so I would like to keep amount of grafts as low as possible. 

I narrowed down my options to two of them - DrT Hair / dr Tayfun Oguzoglu clinic and Kozamet / dr Harun Samiloglu. I want to decide in next few days to which clinic I will go because I want to do my transplant in next month.

Please feel free to comment and if you have any suggestions I will be happy read/consider them before my final decision.

[BaldGuy]

26 minutes ago, flatronw2252 said:

Hello everyone, it's my first post here but I was searching this forum rather extensively last two weeks (and much longer I was on some Reddits regarding hair loss). Im decide that I want to undergo hair transplant in next month and so this thread is my journal where I will be posting updates about my me and my hair  

My background

I am 25yo male and I started noticing hair loss on my scalp (Norwood 2) since I was like 17-18. Genetically I have more oval shaped hair line, whereas my 2 years older brother have perfect straight line till today. At about my 18th birthday dermatologist confirmed that I have androgenic alopecia and prescribed me minoxidil 5%. I was using it with minor improvement (hair stopped falling and had a bit of regrowth), like that "on and off" for about 4 years and then I added finasteride which gave me really bad ED (but helped with regrowth!). I guess it was mostly because I was taking it on my own, without much knowledge about the drug and how to dose it + I was not in best condition mentally. Basically since early 2022 I was off any treatment.

Current state

Right now, after more than 2 years without any treatment I found myself with Norwood 3 and my temples are 90% gone. I can still hide most of my receded hairline with longer hair but with just a little bit of wind my hair is getting messy and look bad again.

Transplant decision

Since I got remote work I could get transplant without most of people knowing about it (which is important for me) and that idea is really tempting. I still live with my family so normal full shave FUE/FUT* transplant is not ideal option for me. I found out that most of reliable surgeons discussed on this forum do perform kind of transplant called unshaven FUE or non-shave FUE which require just to shave donor area - that is much better option for me. Later on, during my research I found that some clinics even perform completely unshaven FUE, so there is no need to shave even donor area. Perfect! I decided that's what I will be looking for with my budget (about 4000-4500€)

* I really never considered FUT because in my opinion it needs more time to heal and leave really obvious scar.

Choosing clinic

I live in Europe and cost of tickets to Turkey are really cheap, I can get there for as little as 150€ and since my budget is not big Turkey is the place to go for me. I got in touch with few Turkish clinics, some of them was hair mills (having good and bad opinions here) and some doctors (as well having good and bad opinions on this forum) so I got idea how many grafts I need and how much it will cost.

• Longevita - hairmill - cheapest option that I talked with, the whole experience was the perfect example of a place to avoid. They WhatsApp is a joke, basically it's a chat bot and you don't talk with real human. After sending photos of my scalp I got quote for about 2200€ for unshaven FUE and someone called me from UK mobile number. I think someone can get nice transplant there but it's more of a lottery. That's my thoughts after reading some reviews on this forum.

• Atilla & Turan clinic - I think it might be a scam - I almost booked with them. I did not found much information about them. Only good reviews from last 2 months. They have some YouTube channel with some videos as well uploaded not a while a go and on their website there's no even address of their clinic. Really suspicious. The guy I was chatting on WhatsApp was very unprofessional and tried to catch me (?) with giving me "early bird discount" if I will make deposit right now on theirs Wise Transfer app account. Too many red flags. I might make another thread about it. They quoted me for 1800 grafts.

• Yaman clinic - the most recommended clinic on this forum on my list - I feel the talk on WhatsApp was really professional. They have just two packages, one for 3250$ ca. 3000€ for 2000-2500 grafts. That's ok for but its unshaven FUE with shaven donor area. Not ideal for but for sure have the most good reviews on this forum. Unfortunately recently I found some reviews with not so good results (might be just coincidence). If I would look for unshaven FUE with shaven donor area I would definitely stop here and choose them.

• Heva Clinic - very well known hair mill with aggressive marketing on social media - they quoted me for 5200€. Not in my budget, it's a hair mill. I didn't talk with them more.

• DrT Hair / dr Tayfun Oguzoglu clinic - first clinic with specific doctor that do completely unshaven FUE - on this forum and reddit I found really mixed results. But since they advertise dr Tayfun as a surgeon with more than 20 years of experience in hair transplant I was still interested of their service. I found some more solid good reviews on Turkish forum. They quoted me for 2000 grafts. Price list they gave me for completely unshaven FUE: 2€ for short hair and 3€ for long hair. I did not managed to get information what length is consider as "long hair" but they assured me that my donor is ok to be "short hair".

• Kozamet / dr Harun Samiloglu - Kozamet is an agency that do hair transplant and some kind of teeth surgeries/operations as far as I found. They advertise that the only doctor involved in hair transplant is dr Harun Samiloglu, which sounds reasonable for me. I found on this forum just two reviews of transplant performed by dr Harun Samiloglu and reviews was good. Later on I found some more informations on German and Turkish forum. All of reviews was posted during last 5 years. They have as well some YouTube channel with videos (in German language) that was uploaded 5 years ago. Even that is agency I see they have real reviews and just don't seem to do any unethical marketing. They quoted me for 1800 grafts as well. Price list they gave me for completely unshaven FUE is 2.5€/graft and 1.5€ for partial FUE (if someone interested).

After all this conversations I understood that I need about 1800-2000 grafts. Initially I hoped that 1500 will be enough. I have a thought that maybe in future I might need another transplant so I would like to keep amount of grafts as low as possible. 

I narrowed down my options to two of them - DrT Hair / dr Tayfun Oguzoglu clinic and Kozamet / dr Harun Samiloglu. I want to decide in next few days to which clinic I will go because I want to do my transplant in next month.

Please feel free to comment and if you have any suggestions I will be happy read/consider them before my final decision.

 

Yaman is the best between the clinics you mentioned. Otherwise you could look at clinics like Dr Turan, Dr Gur and Dr Demirsoy which are affordable and great options too within your budget.

Edited December 13, 2023 by BaldGuy

[jjalay]

I would advice you to do some better research before jumping into this because almost all of the clinics you have mentioned are hairmills:

In my opinion you are only 25 and you have big chances that your hairloss will progress, you should not proceed with a hairtransplant right now. The best thing you can do is get on medication like topical finasteride or oral minoxidil to save more ground. Try to learn something more about hairtransplants also, there is no repuutable doctor that is having free spot to take you in for surgery next month.

[baddecisions]

I completely agree with @jjalay : with that age, future progression and limited budget you should not have a transplant now.

[flatronw2252]

Yeah, my biggest fear in getting hair transplant is being over harvested. I hope that if I sign for “only” 1800 grafts it will be much less possible that I get extracted much more. Nonetheless, even if it happens, I see a second chance in getting SMP.

Hopping back on fin and minoxidil ASAP is a thing to do. I found on YouTube channel called “Hair Transplant in India” that gave me new hope and idea how to use finasteride in smarter way (microdosing, cycles).

Because of my age I’am aware that I might another transplant in future. I guess it’s almost always a gamble to do such operation in twenties but I see that I lost much of confidence and opportunities to party or just meeting new people because I was to worried how my hair looks like. I really don’t want to miss more of that in 20s so that’s big motivation for me to do it. 
 

As well I’m adding photo of my temples when I was 21 years old. I think my hairline receded a bit but considering that since then I was off any drug I think it’s not so bad.

 

[Anon94]

2000-2500 grafts or so should do the job for you. It seems it's "only" hairline work, if a bit more extensive. 

If you want a procedure without shaving the recipient area I'd look into doctors that actually perform surgeries like that regularly. 

From what I've seen some of the Thai surgeons would fit that description without becoming totally expensive. 

Maybe contact and look into Dr. Laorwong at Absolute Hair Clinic and Dr. Patty at Hairtran Clinic. 

Both do great work and do a lot of procedure without shaving the top of your head. 

[Harebrained]

16 hours ago, BaldGuy said:

 

Yaman is the best between the clinics you mentioned. Otherwise you could look at clinics like Dr Turan, Dr Gur and Dr Demirsoy which are affordable and great options too within your budget.

One if not the last thing anyone should consider when getting a hair transplant is the price.  It is surgery, there are no take backs.  Once you're cut you're cut.  Do your research, and when you think you have done all you can, do some more.  The vast majority of so called Dr's. and clinics regardless of the country they practice in (especially Turkey) often give unsatisfactory or subpar results at best.  As a repair patient that suffered for many years and lived under a hat until I was repaired, I'm honestly telling you that it's just not worth risking.  Finding the right clinic or doctor without knowing exactly what your getting into is like playing Russian Roulette but with only one unloaded chamber.  Stay on this forum and keep reading.  Start deep diving into other resources as well.  Getting my first two transplants at a very young age out of desperation destroyed my life for years.  If your overly concerned about the cost and getting shaved, do yourself a big favor and hold out for a while or forever.  At your age and level of loss, any reputable Dr. will warn you of future losses and plan accordingly or possibly even refuse you for now as a patient based on age and expectations.  Another thing you need to do is have face to face or online consultations with more than one reputable Dr. and not some rep or consultant that are usually only paid when booking you in and getting a deposit.  And yes as another poster responded, reputable clinics are booked.  Some a year out.  

Edited December 14, 2023 by Harebrained
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[Spring15]

16 hours ago, BaldGuy said:

 

Yaman is the best between the clinics you mentioned. Otherwise you could look at clinics like Dr Turan, Dr Gur and Dr Demirsoy which are affordable and great options too within your budget.

^This

Also consider trying topical finasteride - less chance of side effects

[Gatsby]

At 25 you also have retrograde alopecia. My concern is that if you are unable to take 5ari's then what are you going to do when you will need more surgeries (which you will). Don't even think of surgery (especially the hair mills you've picked) until micro dosing does not reduce your libido and you are able to take finasteride to stabilize your hair loss. The last thing you want is to run out of donor and MPB is still active.

[wembley]

If i was you i would definitely choose dr Yaman between the clinics you mentioned. You would get a nice and natural result by selecting him and he is safe choice in general which also fits your budget.
Also you should try topical finasteride to stabilise your hairlosss. Good luck !

Edited December 14, 2023 by wembley

[Stoner]

As others have mentioned, medication to preserve your native hair is the *single most important step* for you now compared to everything else. You can try topical finasteride which does have fewer side effects compared to oral and I suggest you also add minoxidil to your regimen (either topical or oral). 

There is a big decisional asymmetry, if I may call it this way, with younger patients/members on this and other forums: these are usually people who want to quickly get rid of all their hair features they don’t like and at the same time, are not financially able to go to one of the more renowned clinics. This is the combination that unfortunately leads many people to choices (often in, but not limited to, Turkey) that produce a poor result. There is a further parameter that complicates things: younger patients usually have mostly receded temples (as you do) while the rest of their hair is quite dense. This makes the need for a reputable doctor even greater as it is hard to replicate native hair density. This is why poor yielding of grafts in not-so-competent clinics leads to poor results for young patients. 

You have a huge advantage compared to most of your peers: you have spotted your condition early on and you want to make informed decisions about it. Do not underestimate this. The vast majority of men experience MPB in their lives and they remain unaware of treatment options. My advice would be to try to find the most effective regimen in battling hairloss (finasteride or dutasteride, oral or topical minoxidil, microneedling possibly), which is an ongoing condition, that works for you (meaning, giving you the least side effects). Give the medication some time to see how you respond to it (most people say 6-12 months). It is quite likely, given your young age, that you will have some regrowth, even in the temples' area. If you manage to find a dermatologist who is specialized in hair loss where you live to monitor your treatment, I think that would be great too.

Re a possible HT unfortunately I think these are not great choices. The main problem with hair mills imo is that they almost uniformly use very big number of grafts just to make sure their results are good. But since hair loss is an ongoing condition and other doctors can achieve the same and, most probably, better results with fewer grafts, my advice would be to go with some other choice. Yaman is not a hair mill technically speaking, but please do take some time to look over some of his results in this forum; I feel some of them have a pretty low graft yield, and most cases of him I have seen are higher NWs with mediocre coverage.

I think it is best to decide whether you still want to have a HT after these 6-12 months of medication. If you can scale up your budget just a little bit and given that you won’t need a huge number of grafts, I believe you can look to some doctors who will give you both a better-looking but, most importantly, more sustainable result compared to the ones you are considering. I am thinking of people like Pekiner, Pinto, Ferreira, Nader, Pinto, De Freitas (if you can double your budget I would put Couto too in the list). I mean, some of the unshaven prices you got are almost identical to those guys’s prices. All of them are very competent with hairlines. I would suggest looking at their results here (as well as the results of the clinics you are considering), on Reddit (subreddit ‘Hairtransplants), and on the FB group ‘Hairloss conquerors’. Try to find independent reviews by patients and not so much results posted by the clinics.

The first-tier surgeons I mentioned have long waiting lists (most of them 12-15 months), but you can ask to be included in their cancellation lists; you can start having consultations with them now, along with your treatment. If you are still adamant about having a HT now, I would recommend Turan who is a good budget option and does solid hairline work (Gur would be my second option).

But I do strongly recommend against the doctors you are considering now. Please take some time to reconsider this.

Hope this is all helpful
 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Stoner

[hair133]

On 12/14/2023 at 12:01 PM, wembley said:

If i was you i would definitely choose dr Yaman between the clinics you mentioned. You would get a nice and natural result by selecting him and he is safe choice in general which also fits your budget.
Also you should try topical finasteride to stabilise your hairlosss. Good luck !

is dr. yaman you mentioned. dr. resul yaman ?
https://www.instagram.com/drresulyaman/

[wembley]

On 12/19/2023 at 10:51 PM, hair133 said:

is dr. yaman you mentioned. dr. resul yaman ?
https://www.instagram.com/drresulyaman/

yes exactly.

[flatronw2252]

Thank you all guys for comments with your advices. Last week and a half I was busy and had no time to reply. I considered all pros and cons and I am staying with my decision to go for a transplant. What is most important, I choose dr Harun Samiloglu / Kozamet clinic to go for operation in late January. I talked with dr Resul Yaman clinic as well, they had free spot on the same time but going for dr Harun for a completely unshaven FUE was more appealing to me since I will not need to take many days off my work.

With dr Harun im setup for 1900 grafts. I saw "1 days day after" photos of his patients and I really liked how widely spread were harvested grafts from donor. It's important for me because Im bit afraid of over harvesting thing that happened to some people from the forum. 1900 grafts I consider it as safe and conservative amount that (in worst scenario) will not create a disaster on my head.

I have started taking finasteride again, currently about 0.5mg every other day and continue with minoxidil 5% once a day. No sides for now.

Im aware that getting HT in my age might be a gamble but as I said I want to take that risk. I know that finasteride will help me to maintain my hair, maybe even regrowth, but I see really low chances for that to continue just with meds. For me it will be bigger disappointment to wake up as 30yo with sides from Fin than have bad results from transplant with 1900 grafts.

[Gatsby]

Please take this in the spirit that it is intended. If you are having side effects or have had side effects then wait until you have found a way to stabilize your hair loss before even considering a hair transplant.

4 hours ago, flatronw2252 said:

For me it will be bigger disappointment to wake up as 30yo with sides from Fin than have bad results from transplant with 1900 grafts.

Trust me. When you run out of donor you will deeply regret having surgery now. The surgeon you have chosen is already suspect of great results. The fact the surgery is being even more complicated for the surgeon by performing a no shave makes things worse. You really need to have all of your ducks in a row because once you are cut you are committed to this for life. You won't only worry about a bad result at 30. You will worry about it at 40, 50, 60, etc. Trust me on this. Learn from my mistakes because for one it won't cost you one dollar and secondly it will prevent a life of regrets. I know you can't see or want to hear this now but it's a path you will never be able to turn back on.

[Harebrained]

Yeah, totally agree with Gatsby.  You are rolling the dice without the consideration of more future loss (which will inevitably happen) and your age. Remember the surgeon's bottom line is your payment regardless of what they tell you or try to get you to believe.  Especially in a country struggling economically in relation to the pound or dollar.

Is your surgeon recommended by this site or at least by the IAHRS?  If not BEWARE.  Being sold a no shave FUE is nothing more than a marketing tactic to get your business...I had personally consulted with a number of top HT surgeons in the industry hoping for the same at one point and all of them agreed that the head needs to be be shaved, for way too many reasons to even go into here. 

For sure you think you will never turn 35 or won't loose more hair, or maybe you think you won't care at that age.  I'm not sure what to share with you other than decades of personal regret and multiple repair surgeries following..  Best of luck, but to the veterans on HTN, we know the pit falls

 Planning your life for only your twenties in regards to hair puts you at an extremely high risk you yet understand.  I did the exact same thing at your age and it was the absolute worse decision I could have ever made in my life.  Of course you may think it will turn out differently.... You may look ok for the next couple of years but as more hair loss starts to happen (as it will without meds or maybe even with meds) you only then will start to question your decision and counting every morning in the mirror what you think are the remaining potential grafts in your donor for a repair.....  Take it from someone who knows first hand.  

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Harebrained
Grammer

[flatronw2252]

I'm coming back with an updates. I am just 1 day post operation at Kozamet with dr Harun Samiloglu and all went really smooth. I have arrived on 21st of January in Istanbul, next day had a meeting with Ozdemir (Consultant that I had contact through WhatsApp) where he explained me all the details about operation. On 23rd at 8am when I've met dr Harun with his crew (two technicians/nurses) and we started the operation. Everything was done with any complications - dr Harun draw my future hairline, discussed it with me, asked about opinion nurses and Ozdemir (he was present during whole procedure), then one of the nurses washed my head, then dr Harun started extracting my grafts which took about 5-6 hours. When extraction was done we had a meal and after that dr. Harun did all incisions. When he was doing the cuts, he was saying from time to time something in Turkish and nurses were replying to him - I believe that they were counting amount of incisions. When all cuts were done nurses came, talked with dr Harun and started implanting my grafts, which took next 4-5 hours. Dr Harun was in the operation room till the end. When implanting was done, nurses cleaned my head and put bandage, got some meds and I went back to my hotel. Whole operation took about 10 hours.

Some technical details - 1815 grafts were extracted, about 400 singles (all used to make first three rows of front line), 1400 multiples. Tool diameter used for extraction was 0.8

Here I have some pics from operation:

Here some pics on 1 day post operation

Donor area on day 1

Im really happy how it came out. Donor area looks good and (I think) will look better when I do proper wash, right now I have still some residues from operation. I really like hairline drawn by dr Harun - its quite dense, got irregularities and I just think it will give me natural look. 

[colbin]

looks really good I wish you best results

[BackFromTheBrink]

Interesting stuff. I've never seen surgery without shaving the donor. Looks to have really hidden the surgery well in your case. 

[flatronw2252]

On 2/13/2024 at 10:29 AM, BackFromTheBrink said:

Interesting stuff. I've never seen surgery without shaving the donor. Looks to have really hidden the surgery well in your case. 

Yeah, pretty much 4 days after I believe anu operation marks was unnoticeable when I brushed my hair on front. 

But here it comes as well results after 4 weeks after operation with first haircut (just a fade on sides/donor area). Most of transplanted hairs already felt of as planned, I can still see channels or pores from where hairs shaft were so I think its a good sign. Grafts that remain on their place adds bit of density and I don't feel anymore the urge to use hair fibres daily, its a really nice feeling 😄

I am really happy how it went out. On sides there are no blank spots, everything looks even for me. Back of my hair has a bit of pimples, before haircut I could feel them with my fingers but I didn't thought they will have such colour lol. Anyway Im sure that pimples go away during next weeks 

[flatronw2252]

Second month update (9 weeks exactly):

Visually not much have changed, all transplanted hair shafts felt and I can see some of grafts that already started to grow. What have really changed is the feel when I touch my scalp on the hair line - it does feel much more dense. Probably it is due those transplanted grafts that are growing but as well caused by fin + minox that are kicking in.

I mentioned about fin and min - since last update I upped a dose of finasteride to ~0.8mg every other day and added 2.5mg of oral minoxidil each day. No sides what so ever, only thing I noticed is that my eyebrows hair seems thicker/darker.