Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 19, 2023 Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2023 Are you in communication with the clinic? It’s always best to keep them in the loop. Hopefully things improve in the next few months. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdav Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I believe I know the clinic OP used (below a pharmacy). The problems he has encountered are exactly the reasons I opted not to use them. Firstly, they gave me no confidence about the angle of the hairline. My hair naturally falls forward but they seemed quite unequivocal that they could only produce a hairline which would stick up. That’s not a good match for my native hair. Secondly, they were constantly downplaying the expected outcome ref density. Expectations management is fine and understandable but their narrative went too far and felt they were giving themselves an “out” in case of a disappointing final outcome (you were warned etc). So overall what they were offering was not especially appetising to me. (my case is not that extreme incidentally; they were proposing 1600 hairline grafts and I have strong donor supply). Out of respect for OP I will not name the clinic. In one sense I understand his reluctance to name the clinic. They are a professional and I think ethical outfit and he doesn’t want to create bad feelings perhaps. At the same time the HRN is a hugely valuable resource for those researching their HT options and first hand experience of named clinics is the lifeblood of this site. But as said, not my place to name the clinic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member consequence Posted November 10, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 10, 2023 @Hairfulthinking how's everything looking? Building a casa de papel with Dr. Couto: my 1700 FUE in Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hairfulthinking Posted February 13 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 13 (edited) 15 month update. The result is poor and unnatural; ultimately this has been the single worst decision of my life, but there ya go. Importantly, I was supposed to have a touch up with the same clinic at the 12 month mark, but I fell ill at the time and had to cancel - something I am happy about in hindsight as I have no trust in the clinic. Moreover, red flags of the touch up in hindsight is that while they agreed overall density was low (advising another 500-700 grafts) they stated they would have to lower the hairline further for soft singles to soften the look. Ironically, almost all advice I’ve received outside the clinic has been hairline is too low with extraction being needed. Furthermore, before I cancelled the touch up I was asked to fill in a new mandatory pre-op psychology sheet which was flagged as concerned. At the time I didn’t take it seriously, but was pissed that they had the cheek to flag my outlook on my hair and the issues I have with the HT as almost my fault, downplaying my concerns (after already going through an initial procedure with them...). I have attached pics below (but this thread contains plenty other pics), within you can see: What I think needs doing for correction Harline needs bringing up – especially lookers right and center. Within first 3 or 4 rows, all thick singles and multigrafts need removing Needs density increase - perhaps around additional 1k grafts total(?) Front hairline needs to be FAR softer, with few hundred soft feathery hairs for a natural look with built in irregularity. (some good repairs I found from here on the forum I think have similar merits to mine) I am now contacting clinics for repair quotes; however, differences in prices, timelines, and work to be done is wildly conflicting. I would love advice from the folks on here. Why haven’t I named the clinic? Well, I most likely will; however, I would like to get a better understanding of my options and opinions while gathering repair quotes before doing anything undoable as I am debating whether I should ask for compensation of previous surgery cost, or if this may be a basis to take on a malpractice case and get more such as the cost for repair. But I really don't know, this industry is an absolute minefield of incompetence. Edited February 13 by Hairfulthinking sentence change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hairfulthinking Posted February 13 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 13 On 8/21/2023 at 12:11 PM, Jdav said: I believe I know the clinic OP used (below a pharmacy). The problems he has encountered are exactly the reasons I opted not to use them. Firstly, they gave me no confidence about the angle of the hairline. My hair naturally falls forward but they seemed quite unequivocal that they could only produce a hairline which would stick up. That’s not a good match for my native hair. Secondly, they were constantly downplaying the expected outcome ref density. Expectations management is fine and understandable but their narrative went too far and felt they were giving themselves an “out” in case of a disappointing final outcome (you were warned etc). So overall what they were offering was not especially appetising to me. (my case is not that extreme incidentally; they were proposing 1600 hairline grafts and I have strong donor supply). Out of respect for OP I will not name the clinic. In one sense I understand his reluctance to name the clinic. They are a professional and I think ethical outfit and he doesn’t want to create bad feelings perhaps. At the same time the HRN is a hugely valuable resource for those researching their HT options and first hand experience of named clinics is the lifeblood of this site. But as said, not my place to name the clinic. This is very much my situation. And there is a scale between: poor result ----------all happy--------- unrealistic client Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hairfulthinking Posted February 13 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 13 On 8/19/2023 at 9:32 PM, Melvin- Admin said: Are you in communication with the clinic? It’s always best to keep them in the loop. Hopefully things improve in the next few months. Haven't spoken to them recently, it is quite difficult as I feel my concerns fall on deaf ears a little. Yet when I reach out to other forum known clinics, they typically pick up quite quickly on my concerns (although I imagine they also want new business...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted February 13 Administrators Share Posted February 13 47 minutes ago, Hairfulthinking said: Haven't spoken to them recently, it is quite difficult as I feel my concerns fall on deaf ears a little. Yet when I reach out to other forum known clinics, they typically pick up quite quickly on my concerns (although I imagine they also want new business...) Well, yes, thats true. I would keep in communication with your clinic. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member baddecisions Posted February 13 Regular Member Share Posted February 13 (edited) The result was really poor, and the outcome was pretty much expected since the very beginning. And those who said "it is not bad for x months" ... "wait until 12 month mark it may improve" showed little to no knowledge or just tried to cheer you up. I assume it is the second, but in doing that they are not helping anyone. I hope you are already in touch with some different doctors. I can understand your situation since I am experiencing the same and being a repair patient is not easy, not only from a surgical point of view but mainly from a psychological one. Anyway, I have to be honest. There is no point is hiding clinic or doctor's name. You may think it may be good in order to take further actions in the future, but it is not at all. Actually it is even worse for other users: had you mentioned clinic/dr's name, other people would potentially have avoided this kind of result. Edited February 13 by baddecisions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hairfulthinking Posted February 13 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 13 44 minutes ago, baddecisions said: The result was really poor, and the outcome was pretty much expected since the very beginning. And those who said "it is not bad for x months" ... "wait until 12 month mark it may improve" showed little to no knowledge or just tried to cheer you up. I assume it is the second, but in doing that they are not helping anyone. I hope you are already in touch with some different doctors. I can understand your situation since I am experiencing the same and being a repair patient is not easy, not only from a surgical point of view but mainly from a psychological one. Anyway, I have to be honest. There is no point is hiding clinic or doctor's name. You may think it may be good in order to take further actions in the future, but it is not at all. Actually it is even worse for other users: had you mentioned clinic/dr's name, other people would potentially have avoided this kind of result. How are you approaching/handling being a repair case? Are you in contact with other surgeons outside your initial clinic? Have you spoke to your original surgeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member baddecisions Posted February 13 Regular Member Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Hairfulthinking said: How are you approaching/handling being a repair case? Are you in contact with other surgeons outside your initial clinic? Have you spoke to your original surgeon? I spoke briefly to my originial surgeon, and happened what frequently happens: they think the result is great, blabla. And, to some extent, I understand they are just "selling" something and ethics are not relevant there; but, at the same time, I am actually assuming that sometimes they genuinely think the outcome is decent, just because they are not capable of anything better, that is all they can provide you with. Anyway, I did not ask to get my money back just because it would be wasting my time. Yes, I have been talking to different recommended doctors who are specialised in repairs and they showed me very different opinions. I visited some of them, while I contacted others just online. Sometimes I felt that I was an undesired patient for some of them and I also suffered some "weird" situations. In any case, I am not sure about my next steps. If you want, we can communicate to each other via DM since this is your own thread. All the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Myles23 Posted February 13 Senior Member Share Posted February 13 No reputable surgeon would look at this and be satisfied with their work. What should have been a fairly straight forward procedure, lacks density and the angle of the grafts, is something you’d expect from a hairmill. I’d call the clinic out on here and tag them if, especially if they are recommended. You’d soon see a shift in not taking you seriously. I think you’ve documented your journey well throughout and your initial concerns at the beginning have transpired to be correct. I hope you get this resolved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hairfulthinking Posted February 15 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 15 On 2/13/2024 at 7:51 PM, baddecisions said: I spoke briefly to my originial surgeon, and happened what frequently happens: they think the result is great, blabla. And, to some extent, I understand they are just "selling" something and ethics are not relevant there; but, at the same time, I am actually assuming that sometimes they genuinely think the outcome is decent, just because they are not capable of anything better, that is all they can provide you with. Anyway, I did not ask to get my money back just because it would be wasting my time. Yes, I have been talking to different recommended doctors who are specialised in repairs and they showed me very different opinions. I visited some of them, while I contacted others just online. Sometimes I felt that I was an undesired patient for some of them and I also suffered some "weird" situations. In any case, I am not sure about my next steps. If you want, we can communicate to each other via DM since this is your own thread. All the best Here's fine. Yeah, I feel some surgeons have very different opinions on what is considered a 'good' result. Are you in Europe? Looking through the many, many forum threads here I'm most interested in Bisanga and Feriduni, but cost and time is an issue. Only other surgeon, again based on threads on here is Cooley, but then travel becomes an issue too. But atm, I'm just reviewing and collecting as many repairs cases as possible. Would love to just get this all behind me, but the thought that I need to wait a few months for a consultation, then a few more months for an extraction section, then another few months for the touch up, then a year for results, ugh, well it's draining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member RTC Posted February 21 Senior Member Share Posted February 21 (edited) I feel your pain bro.. hope you can maybe get something in the way of compensation but I doubt it. By far the most difficult part of any repair is the mental anguish in waiting for consultations and appointments etc. But schedule them in and start moving forward.. you'll feel much better. I definitely agree that extractions and then later refinement is the way to go. But it'll be a long process. Edited February 21 by RTC 2 Hattingen September 2023 - Punchouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted May 1 Administrators Share Posted May 1 @Hairfulthinking Can you specify who your surgeon is? 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairFunk Posted May 1 Senior Member Share Posted May 1 Not a terrible result, though not great either. Definitely room for improvement. The hairline needs softening a little and more density adding. Who was your surgeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Diff-thinner Posted May 1 Regular Member Share Posted May 1 Hey dude sorry to hear and read about your situation, if you do want my two cents, I would recommend @BHR Clinic, for the very specific reason that I think Dr. Bissanga is the best most ethical choice for repairs. From what I have seen, he may be able to advise you in an unbiased manner, for ethics I would truly tout him as such a genuine Dr. Im saying this without being his patient, but when I spoke with Ian, his patient advisor, I really felt like they put ethics first, and I think in your case this might work for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hairfulthinking Posted May 5 Author Regular Member Share Posted May 5 @Melvin- Admin has asked me to confirm in this thread that my surgeon was not Mittal, which is correct - but I don't understand why he has been blamed as I don't see any posts even mentioning him... Otherwise, I am currently recovering from my first (of 3) repair sessions with Dr. Bisanga and will update soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member shiba1985 Posted May 5 Senior Member Share Posted May 5 I never understand the human psyche to extract help from other people and ask for their opinion and guidance. yet, not willing to provide the same help back by listing the surgeons name so other people can benefit from making informed choices. Selfish if you ask me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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