First hair transplant failed

[Marko7t4]

For the amount of coverage you will need, maybe try Dr Bisanga or Dr Sethi at Eugenix. Both are world class. 

[Z--]

57 minutes ago, AB2000 said:

Save your money.  You have already thrown out finite donor grafts and you seem determined to play Russian roulette again.  Keep your money and keep whatever hair you have left.  The only thing worse than wasting thousands of dollars is wasting the transplanted hair that can never come back once it has been botched.

If you are curious on how to have avoided your situation then spend time on this site looking at the hundreds of results posted by doctors and patients.  You will see trends on which clinics consistently deliver results.

In the Turkish hair mills your transplant is dependent on random technicians that they cycle through.  There is no consistency.

This is the harsh but 100% true. Might as well just spend the money you’d have wasted in Turkey on a nice vacation. You’ll likely end up with the same amount of hair in the end but less scarring…

[mavigo]

6 hours ago, Kevin Brend said:

I didn't try Finasteride, because I'm afraid of side effects. I talked to the doctors and they said I just continued to loose hair. 

The clinic was referred by a couple of friends that did it there. I will try next Dr. Serkan Aygin. After 2 months of research on his work. Any comments on him? 

So a doctor I once talked to said that doing a transplant without medication is like pouring water into a bucket with a hole at the bottom. You're going to keep losing hair and it'll make your transplant results look worse. I take it and no sides. 

But you should find a new doctor and go by his recommendations. Most will tell you to try fin. 

[ITA]

Pekiner and Bicer a couple of examples.

[mister_25]

If you had 4600 grafts that didn’t grow, your donor is heavily compromised especially with your level of baldness. You have to go to the very best. And you will probably need to use alternate resources like beard and body hair.

Mwamba in Belgium, Pitella in Brazil and Sethi in India could be befitting for your case.

No doctor in Turkey has the skills to give you your hair back now.

You need to definitely consider medication. Since almost 5000 grafts didn’t grow your native hair is at the upmost importance to give you anything near full coverage. 

[Kevin Brend]

Not sure where to go to get Finasteride, as in France it’s only by prescription. What kind of doctor would be able to determine the dose I need and prescribe it? Dermatologist? 

[AB2000]

4 hours ago, mister_25 said:

Mwamba in Belgium, Pitella in Brazil and Sethi in India could be befitting for your case.

No doctor in Turkey has the skills to give you your hair back now.

There have been a lot of very interesting photo result posts on this forum from Dr. Pittella the past year.  It might interest the person who started the thread.  It won't be as cheap as a hair mill in Turkey, but is still affordable, compared to some of the places in Europe and North America.

[Kevin Brend]

Yes. He’s the one I’m planning on seeing. Trying to get a video consultation with him. Hope there’s not a long wait. Thanks for the suggestion. 

[Kevin Brend]

When I was in my late 20’s I tried propecia for a couple of months, I don’t remember anything else other than massive mood swings and depression. So if there’s a way for me to pay a bit more for good work and maybe PRP + Minoxidil I rather do that. Also have read mentions of ED in some research. If anyone can comment on their experience with Finasteride, that could be helpful. Thanks! 

[mister_25]

29 minutes ago, Kevin Brend said:

When I was in my late 20’s I tried propecia for a couple of months, I don’t remember anything else other than massive mood swings and depression. So if there’s a way for me to pay a bit more for good work and maybe PRP + Minoxidil I rather do that. Also have read mentions of ED in some research. If anyone can comment on their experience with Finasteride, that could be helpful. Thanks! 

I am 22 and have been on Finasteride and Minoxidil for almost 2 years. I had significant regrowth and have stabilised my hair loss. I went from Norwood 5 to about a Norwood 4 almost a Norwood 3 Vertex. No side effects other than the second and third week of taking the medication.

 

[Marko7t4]

4 hours ago, Kevin Brend said:

Not sure where to go to get Finasteride, as in France it’s only by prescription. What kind of doctor would be able to determine the dose I need and prescribe it? Dermatologist? 

You should be able to order it online and try 1mg per day. The only side I’ve had from it is my semen has gone more watery. This doesn’t bother me as I’ve had a vasectomy 6 years ago, so not having any more kids anyway. 

[DHT]

14 hours ago, Kevin Brend said:

Please recommend someone then  

Eugenix is renowned for corrective surgeries and on the other hand Dr, Bisanga will be a good option as well. Both are world class.
Do you research properly, speak to different clinics. Invest in your hairs, you wear it everyday!!

[Berba11]

18 hours ago, Kevin Brend said:

Smile Hair Clinic in Turkey seems great! Will research on those guys. Any comments? 

Jesus.

You need to pause and stop looking at clinics for a second. What you need to do is go away and really research what actually makes a good and natural looking hair restoration because as it stands, you've no clue. And if you've no clue, how do you expect to adequately choose a clinic? How will you know what to look for when selecting a clinic? You're trying to run before you're even learned to crawl, and having had on HT already that didn't turn out as expected, it's critical you get the second one correct.

Also, forget Turkey or any specific country. If you can't afford to go somewhere really good on your critical second pass, then wait until you can.

For now you need to stop looking at clinics and start doing some homework about naturalness in HT's, what's needed to create naturalness in terms of the clinic's knowledge and equipment etc... All the clinics that you said "seem good" are absolutely not good at all.

[Kevin Brend]

Excellent advices. I will speak with a few of the clinics suggested here and do a more thorough research before deciding which one to go with. 
 

[AndyDouglas]

Honestly? I'm not sure that you are going to ever get the results that you are after 😪

I say this with a heavy heart... but after looking at your hair situation and at your age of (37), I honestly think you should just shave your head and style your beard. 

[MazAB]

11 hours ago, Kevin Brend said:

When I was in my late 20’s I tried propecia for a couple of months, I don’t remember anything else other than massive mood swings and depression. So if there’s a way for me to pay a bit more for good work and maybe PRP + Minoxidil I rather do that. Also have read mentions of ED in some research. If anyone can comment on their experience with Finasteride, that could be helpful. Thanks! 

You can always take a topical version of Finasteride if you are afraid of the side effects. I myself have taken the oral version at 1mg per day for the last 26 years. 26 years ago I was a Norwood 3 and stayed a Norwood 3 my whole life finally getting a transplant with Eugenix last year with success. Finasteride works well and helps to stabilize hair loss at the root cause. You should be on a daily regimen of some form of it for your preventative hair loss care. I would personally not waste my money on PRP, but you could go with a stronger version of Minoxidil by taking it orally instead of topically. 

I echo the sentiments of @Berba11. Do your research and understand the intricacies of hair transplantation and ultimately how a clinics process, procedures, techniques and artistry all tie together to create the best overall result. Even the best clinics in the world have bad results, but it's about mitigating the risks as much as possible with the clinics the produce the most consistently good work across a wide spectrum of clients. Those are the clinics that have the best procedures and techniques in place to put you in the best position of success. Money comes and goes, but your donor should be treated like gold. Don't sacrifice any more of it! 

At a first glance, it looks like you have incredibly strong beard and chest hair. I personally would take a very hard look at Dr Bisanga, and @Eugenix Hair Sciences as they are exceptionally good at body hair transplantation and can ultimately save you with dipping into another donor bank after the lost grafts of your 1st procedure. 

Follow my Journey with Eugenix and Dr Arika Bansal!

[dronay]

Hello Sir,

Actually, you had a successful operation. But there seems to be a difference in graft quality in the middle between those in your hairline. Probably some of the Grafts were taken in Phase 1, but the rest were broken. Depending on this, thin hair strands are seen from place to place.

If you want to have a second surgery, you can share the current status of your donor area here. So I can comment.

Best Regards.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[ITA]

@dronayDo you work in the clinic Longevita Hair Transplant Turkey - Istanbul? 🤔

[dronay]

We worked together for two years. Now we are performing our operations in London and Istanbul. We perform operations by doctors both in Istanbul and London. Our company name is FKS Clinic LTD in London.

When I find time, I will try to help people as a doctor on these platforms. Because in many centers, only technicians serve. And I don't find it true. 

 

 

[Melvin- Admin]

4 hours ago, dronay said:

Hello Sir,

Actually, you had a successful operation. But there seems to be a difference in graft quality in the middle between those in your hairline. Probably some of the Grafts were taken in Phase 1, but the rest were broken. Depending on this, thin hair strands are seen from place to place.

If you want to have a second surgery, you can share the current status of your donor area here. So I can comment.

Best Regards.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

Are you saying this patient went to your clinic? Im confused.

[dronay]

3 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Are you saying this patient went to your clinic? Im confused.

No. As a doctor, I just gave a second opinion to this patient. I did not do this operation. I wanted to help the person. 

[Parasol]

6 hours ago, dronay said:

Hello Sir,

Actually, you had a successful operation. But there seems to be a difference in graft quality in the middle between those in your hairline. Probably some of the Grafts were taken in Phase 1, but the rest were broken. Depending on this, thin hair strands are seen from place to place.

If you want to have a second surgery, you can share the current status of your donor area here. So I can comment.

Best Regards.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

I’m confused by this. 

What do you mean by taken in “phase 1?” 

What do mean by “the rest were broken?” Do you mean they were transected? Or just not very good grafts?

If grafts were transected or if the surgeon didn’t pick the very best grafts from the donor, I don’t see how the surgery could be considered “successful.” 

Can you please clarify?
 

 

[Kevin Brend]

I have my donor area looked at by a couple of specialist and luckily it seems full enough for another session. I just want to make sure that this time I get as much coverage as possible. I am realistic about expectations, but I am sure this can be fixed. 

[dronay]

9 hours ago, Parasol said:

I’m confused by this. 

What do you mean by taken in “phase 1?” 

What do mean by “the rest were broken?” Do you mean they were transected? Or just not very good grafts?

If grafts were transected or if the surgeon didn’t pick the very best grafts from the donor, I don’t see how the surgery could be considered “successful.” 

Can you please clarify?
 

 

Sure, let me give you more details.

Hair transplantation consists of 3 main stages.

Stage 1 is the FUE stage, where the grafts are collected. The grafts are collected one by one and taken to a cold place where they can be fed.

Stage 2 is the incision stage. Opening of the places where the grafts will settle. (This is not necessary for the DHI procedure. DHI pens both open channels and place grafts. In the Sapphire technique, there is a channel stage.)

In the third stage, the placement of the grafts.

After this summary, let me explain what I mean. Since I have patients from many parts of the world, I can easily say that there are many types of grafts. Even in the same patient, there may be very thick grafts in the middle of the donor area and thin grafts to the sides. In our clinic, we determine the thickness of the hair follicles before FUE with the help of magnifying glasses. The tool we use in the FUE phase has a tip that I call "PUNCH". Its dimensions are;
-0.6mm
-0.65mm
-0.70mm
-0.75mm
-0.80mm
-0.85mm

They have sensitive differences more minor than 1 mm in shape.

It is necessary to choose the right size according to the structure of the hair strand.

What I mean in the above comment is that a mistake may have been made in a part of the hair where the hair has thickened or in the entire head. Grafts with 3,4, and 5 hairs may have been tried to be taken with a punch with a very narrow width. And these thick grafts were removed as 1 and 2 hairs. Thus, half of the hair strands are dead.

Of course, a second possibility is that the practitioner is not sufficient or hastened. It may have been removed by damaging the grafts.

Any problem in Stage 1 will ruin everything. Although the 2nd and 3rd stages are perfect, if the grafts are damaged, there is no compensation, and the hair is damaged.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[Kevin Brend]

15 hours ago, dronay said:

Hello Sir,

Actually, you had a successful operation. But there seems to be a difference in graft quality in the middle between those in your hairline. Probably some of the Grafts were taken in Phase 1, but the rest were broken. Depending on this, thin hair strands are seen from place to place.

If you want to have a second surgery, you can share the current status of your donor area here. So I can comment.

Best Regards.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY