Surgeons that restore NW1 in Europe

[Nobody]

Hello,

I'm around NW2 to NW3 now. I'm looking to restore my hairline to NW1. Per estimations, around 3-4k grafts will be necessary.

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Nobody

[Britanium]

How young are you? Most Drs won’t do a HT unless your at least approx 25. Can you post pics? Going above 3.5k in one session is risky, it’s all about planning for not just now, but the future too. If your young and you have already faced loss then aiming for a Norwood 1 wouldn’t be ideal, stay on the Fin and see if you do keep retaining. 

[mmokin]

9 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Hello,

I'm around NW2 to NW3 now. I'm looking to restore my hairline to NW1. Per estimations, around 3-4k grafts will be necessary as I have a relatively small upper third. 

However, I have a little bit of trouble finding a surgeon that will do a 4k graft procedure on a younger patient. I'm taking Finasteride and Minoxidil for 12+ months now and hair loss is stable. 

I'm personally totally fine risking further recession later on and not having enough grafts available to fix them and have communicated that with surgeons previously, but to no avail. 

Can anyone help me find a doctor that will perform a 4k graft procedure to restore my NW1? ($12k budget)

 

 

any pics?

[Britanium]

9 minutes ago, Nobody said:

I'm personally totally fine risking further recession later on and not having enough grafts available to fix them and have communicated that with surgeons previously, but to no avail. 

Out of curiosity, who have you considered/consulted with already? 

[mmokin]

11 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Hello,

I'm around NW2 to NW3 now. I'm looking to restore my hairline to NW1. Per estimations, around 3-4k grafts will be necessary as I have a relatively small upper third. 

However, I have a little bit of trouble finding a surgeon that will do a 4k graft procedure on a younger patient. I'm taking Finasteride and Minoxidil for 12+ months now and hair loss is stable. 

I'm personally totally fine risking further recession later on and not having enough grafts available to fix them and have communicated that with surgeons previously, but to no avail. 

Can anyone help me find a doctor that will perform a 4k graft procedure to restore my NW1? ($12k budget)

 

 

if i were you i would try and go fuexpert clinic or whatever there name is i think they have like a 2 year waiting list by the time your 25 you will already be able to get a top tier transplant makes the most sense to me imo, i think most doctors might work on you as you have stable hairloss and already understand the possible repurcusions but at the same time waiting 1-2 years is really nothing

 

[Britanium]

Ah can see now the age is in your heading 👍🏽 23 ! 

[NARMAK]

28 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Hello,

I'm around NW2 to NW3 now. I'm looking to restore my hairline to NW1. Per estimations, around 3-4k grafts will be necessary as I have a relatively small upper third. 

However, I have a little bit of trouble finding a surgeon that will do a 4k graft procedure on a younger patient. I'm taking Finasteride and Minoxidil for 12+ months now and hair loss is stable. 

I'm personally totally fine risking further recession later on and not having enough grafts available to fix them and have communicated that with surgeons previously, but to no avail. 

Can anyone help me find a doctor that will perform a 4k graft procedure to restore my NW1? ($12k budget)

 

 

You should wait till 25 at least to see how stable your hairloss actually stays and as recommended maybe you could try hopping on the FUE Expert (Dr Cuoto) waiting list for a top tier hair transplant if you want and save up in the next 2 years for that. 

You said you need 3-4k grafts. That's ridiculously high imo if you're like a Norwood 2/3. Unless you have closer to Norwood 3, then a sensible estimate would be much less. No more than 3K which is why its a good idea if you post pictures of your donor area, front and sides 3/4 views as well as from the top down showing the crown. 

I am considered a Norwood 2ish person and i got quoted 2200 including complete temple point restoration. That would get me very much to a "Norwood 1" type of appearance i think. 

Just remember that Norwood 1 means a mature male hairline. Not juvenile like some people think it does. 

[HappyMan2021]

Any doctor willing to do a HT on a 23 yr old is not a doctor worth going to!!!!

NW2/NW3 is obviously not perfect hair, but if you are confident with it it should have no effect on your life. With a good hairstyle you can make moderate hairloss still look good. 

Please try organically living with hairloss - or literally any other non-surgical method - before making a mistake that can potentially haunt you for life. 

The years will fly by and you will be of proper age before you know it. And who knows, maybe by the time you reach your mid-late 20s you will think this whole HT business is entirely bonkers and want nothing to do with it. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by SadMan2021

[Nobody]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:20 AM, SadMan2021 said:

Any doctor willing to do a HT on a 23 yr old is not a doctor worth going to!!!!

NW2/NW3 is obviously not perfect hair, but if you are confident with it it should have no effect on your life. With a good hairstyle you can make moderate hairloss still look good. 

Please try organically living with hairloss - or literally any other non-surgical method - before making a mistake that can potentially haunt you for life. 

The years will fly by and you will be of proper age before you know it. And who knows, maybe by the time you reach your mid-late 20s you will think this whole HT business is entirely bonkers and want nothing to do with it. 

I've already tried Fin, and Minoxidil for 18+ months. So I tried all there is non-surgically. 

I personally think it's not worth getting a hair transplant later on in life. Hair matters less and less the more you age. . 

If I keep getting rejected from Top Surgeons, I might have to grab a Hairsystem for now. But I presume that my hairloss will get worse then for not using Minoxdil and not doing Mesotherapy. So it's a bad fix after all. 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Nobody

[Gatsby]

10 minutes ago, Nobody said:

I personally think it's not worth getting a hair transplant later on in life. Hair matters less and less the more you age.

My friend you can't comprehend this now at age 23 (I certainly couldn't) but you will be feeling far more depressed and angry if you actually do go ahead and get cut with a hair transplant now. The older you get the more hair will continue to matter to you. You should know that but at 23 it would be impossible to.

[Nobody]

On 3/23/2022 at 11:30 AM, Gatsby said:

My friend you can't comprehend this now at age 23 (I certainly couldn't) but you will be feeling far more depressed and angry if you actually do go ahead and get cut with a hair transplant now. The older you get the more hair will continue to matter to you. You should know that but at 23 it would be impossible to.

Maybe. But your situation presumes that my hair situation somehow significantly worsens after a transplant and that a second transplant would not rectify that (I have a good donor area). 

What has happened has happened. However, I wish that I no longer have to deal with negative consequences later on in life. 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Nobody

[Curious25]

1 hour ago, Nobody said:

I've already tried Fin, Mesotherapy, Low Level Laser Therapy and Minoxidil for 18+ months. So I tried all there is non-surgically. 

 

This is important - and if you can tolerate each modality without any adverse effects, then it will be important to continue with these treatments, for as long as hair loss is a concern. Dutasteride, micro needling, and topical AA's such as RU (not FDA approved, nor human studies available) are other such options you may consider, given your risk adversity. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Nobody said:

I think you vastly underestimate the negative effects hairloss has on life early on and the consequences there are. 

With respect, I think you are underestimating your audience here. It's a hair loss forum, where a large number have faced hair loss in their 20's, some of which, much worse than your apparent situation. I agree, the general population outside of hair loss sufferers may underestimate the negative effects - but not this community, I can assure you - which is why, when you receive advice to hold off, and not pursue an aggressive restoration immediately, it should be taken on board, and at least considered. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Nobody said:

I personally think it's not worth getting a hair transplant later on in life. Hair matters less and less the more you age. 

I agree with this, to an extent. I do believe that having hair helps to aid/improve a self confidence and obviously improves aesthetic, therefore the life experiences one is involved with, between the ages of 18-40 are arguably a lot more reliant on such variables - career progression, mating, socialising, pop culture, social media, etc. not to mention the fact that peer groups within this age range are less likely to have hair loss than peer groups of 40+. 

I'm not discrediting that people aged 40+ don't care about their hair, because I know for a fact, that isn't true - however my point is, I don't see the point in living your life noticeably balding from aged 20 until your 40's, where you're a NW6, and then getting multiple restorations because you are 'better placed age wise' or 'your hair loss has reached its peak'. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Nobody said:

I might have to grab a Hairsystem for now

If you are at peace with this option, then I would genuinely recommend this - it will create a denser looking head of hair than any successful HT will do. However it, theres psychologically a lot more to it, than just glueing a bit of hair on, and going about your life day to day. 

Otherwise - I would consult with some top surgeons, but in person. Analyse your donor, look at how many lifetime grafts you have available - discuss your goals, what your limitations are, what your predicted hair loss pattern is potentially going to be, and armour yourself with as much information as possible. With this - you can together, come up with a strategy, and plan - and . . perhaps, getting a restoration in the next year or so, isn't a completely unreasonable option. 

A former poster on here, I can't remember his name, Jay something, was in your boat - and he successfully turned his life around, and made very rationalised decisions personal to him, which no one could fault. 

 

[Gatsby]

I’m sorry to hear this. If you have followed my story you will be aware of the devastating effect hair loss had on me and the I’ll fated decision I made in having two hair transplants from 18 years of age. The problem is though that the pain you are genuinely feeling (and till it is taking on your life) will only get worse in the future. The losses you are describing here do not have a quick fix by surgery now although that is exactly what your brain will be telling you. Your problems as bad as they feel will not disappear but they will in fact compound. I can’t stop you from having a hair transplant (if you can find an ethical surgeon to perform it). But I can warn you about the risks of permanent shock loss, scars, poor growth, poorly placed grafts that can and do happen. We see them on a weekly, if not daily basis. If you struggle to deal with hair loss now (which looks natural) how will you explain to your friends and peers if it goes pear shape?

[Curious25]

6 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

I’m sorry to hear this. If you have followed my story you will be aware of the devastating effect hair loss had on me and the I’ll fated decision I made in having two hair transplants from 18 years of age. The problem is though that the pain you are genuinely feeling (and till it is taking on your life) will only get worse in the future. The losses you are describing here do not have a quick fix by surgery now although that is exactly what your brain will be telling you. Your problems as bad as they feel will not disappear but they will in fact compound. I can’t stop you from having a hair transplant (if you can find an ethical surgeon to perform it). But I can warn you about the risks of permanent shock loss, scars, poor growth, poorly placed grafts that can and do happen. We see them on a weekly, if not daily basis. If you struggle to deal with hair loss now (which looks natural) how will you explain to your friends and peers if it goes pear shape?

You make some good points here Gatsby, in relation to the risks that surgery can bring, in particular poor surgery - however your particular unfortunate story, fortunately, can quite easily be avoided today in 2022. There are plenty of competent surgeons, who will not destroy a donor area with horrendous strip scars, and will yield close to 95% growth, with ethically, and aesthetically designed hairline placement. 

The point is, not every under 25 patient is going to end up a horror story. They need to be fully read up and understanding of all pro's, con's, limitations, sacrifices to surgery, as does any aged patient . . and they need to have a surgeon who they can maintain a close professional relationship with, in line with their progression and strategy over the years to come. 

[Britanium]

@NobodyCould you post some pics? Thanks 🙏 

[NARMAK]

I do think whilst surgery has moved on, and there are competent clinics willing to do surgery for people 21-25, i think it's very much on a case by case basis. 

I completely understood in some ways what was mentioned about hair and how from an image PoV, its aesthetic appeals more useful during your teens to like 40s, but i would say getting to 25 nowadays whilst using medication for 2+ years and being able to show stable hair loss and actually being able to save up the money from 21 to 25 for a top clinic is better. 

Personally i wished to get my temple points restored at like 18-21 with a hair transplant but so glad i didn't and i found now when i educated myself all the complications of hair loss etc. and can make a much better informed decision. If i could go back knowing what i know now, i would have started medication much earlier and saved up and gone to a top clinic who specialised in temple points and frontal hairlines. 

Luckily even now i feel in a good position and am hoping to get mine at Age 32 in May. I still feel young enough and care just as much as i did in my 20s. I do get hair loss causing loss in confidence etc. if you genuinely don't feel able to cut it and style it in such a way to mask what is getting you down. 

However, there's one bit of advice i'd like to give. If these people are really your friends, explaining to them properly will get them to back off and understand. Cause in some ways we do "banter" as males and busting each others chops but if we know it is seriously affecting a mate, we will stop. If they don't, they're not really your friends and you need to ditch those toxic clowns from your life and make actual friends. Life is also top short having the wrong people around you. 

Focus on the things you can control for now. Hell, your 23 making over $100K!! That's amazing man! That along imo should make you focus on your career and medication for now. 

The babes will come back around when you're ready for them if you want. Just improve yourself all over. Become a much more all around individual. Hair is not a magic bullet once restored that it solves all your issues and you'll come to realise there's many, many things to self improve on too. 

Good luck. 

[Britanium]

If you have stabilised your loss then I don’t actually see any reason why you wouldn’t get a Elite Dr/Clinic to accept you as a patient at around 25. Considering the waiting lists for some then it could be planned a year or so in advance. The danger is when the loss is still progressing and no med regime is in place, or it’s not working. What is the feedback your getting from the Clinics you have already consulted with? Do they mention the age or something else? 

[Nobody]

On 3/23/2022 at 1:37 PM, J.A.C said:

@NobodyCould you post some pics? Thanks 🙏 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Nobody

[Nobody]

8 minutes ago, J.A.C said:

If you have stabilised your loss then I don’t actually see any reason why you wouldn’t get a Elite Dr/Clinic to accept you as a patient at around 25. Considering the waiting lists for some then it could be planned a year or so in advance. The danger is when the loss is still progressing and no med regime is in place, or it’s not working. What is the feedback your getting from the Clinics you have already consulted with? Do they mention the age or something else? 

They mention age and risk of further recession. 

[Britanium]

Just now, Nobody said:

They mention age and risk of further recession. 

Ok, which clinics? And damn your hair is a lot, lot better than I was expecting! More pics would help us see better. I know one thing for sure… 4K? Absolutely not needed. 

[NARMAK]

4 minutes ago, Nobody said:

 

Do you have any additional pictures of your donor area and maybe some frontal 3/4 views? 

Right now it is difficult to see why 4k grafts would be needed unless they were making an extremely aggressive, dense and low hairline for you. 

I would definitely recommend staying on medication like Finasteride 1mg everyday as a precaution to prevent further hairloss and prove stability by the time you hit 25.

I also think you could smartly style the hair to mask the issues a bit better.