How high risk with a hair mill?

[Inch6]

3 hours ago, TorontoMan said:

Well look, I won't argue this much further. I don't agree with your logic, I hope you reconsider and feel you deserve the highest amount reward rather than settling for higher risk. If you think you could play this game and get off cheap then you don't need to look very hard on here or on reddit to find cases of guys who are devastated. You also posted a question on a forumn where there are a lot guys on here who have invested a lot of time understanding all these trade-offs. I hope you didn't do it just to echo your own thoughts but rather pay attention to the numerous guys here who told you you're gonna get screwed. 

Play stupid games and win stupid prizes 

I will tell you this, I were pretty confident, almost 90% sure that I were going to spend maximum 3000 dollars on a hair transplant before I opened this thread, but that number has been dropped to zero right now. I'm revaulating my stance and right now it seems that I might just increase my budget because I didnt realize that it were such a high risk with a hair mill. I've seen so many bad ht the last couple of hours and it's pretty scary. I previously thought that it only were the recipient result that could be bad and that I could deal with that with another ht, but there seems to be an awful lot of case were people been butchered for life.   

[Britanium]

1 minute ago, Inch6 said:

I will tell you this, I were pretty confident, almost 90% sure that I were going to spend maximum 3000 dollars on a hair transplant before I opened this thread, but that number has been dropped to zero right now. I'm revaulating my stance and right now it seems that I might just increase my budget because I didnt realize that it were such a high risk with a hair mill. I've seen so many bad ht the last couple of hours and it's pretty scary. I previously thought that it only were the recipient result that could be bad and that I could deal with that with another ht, but there seems to be an awful lot of case were people been butchered for life.   

Indeed, and plenty more hidden from view. Some have deleted their thread. Others I have seen in PM only. Seriously what you see is the tip of the iceberg. 

[Gatsby]

I've said this so many times. If your first criteria in research is based on a 'budget' then it will only be luck if you are not butchered. The costs to repair (if that is indeed possible) will blow that budget out of the water ten times over and you will still be left with a result that won't be as good as getting it right the first time. All the best.

[NARMAK]

57 minutes ago, Inch6 said:

Yea I've spent many hours by know reading reviews at forums and also hair mill google reviews, while many of them has high scores (4+ out of 5) with hundreds of ratings, there is actually a pretty considerable precentage of people that's been traumatized and destroyed, and I have to agree that the top clinic has much much less of such negative reviews. I could basically increase my budget with ease but I'm a cheap ass and dont like to spend more money if I dont have to. That's why I put ~ 3000 dollars... But I will most probably increase it and avoid telling others that I've spent so much on my hair.

Firstly, don't bother discussing you had a hair transplant with others that don't need to know. That includes friends and family etc. 

As much as we like those friends/family for general socialising etc. they sometimes just can't understand the decision because there's a prejudice against male improvement via cosmetic means. 

In fact, the best part of a natural result from a hair clinic that's reputable is that you get shaved down, and the hair looking red etc. you can hide with hats or play off for as long as you want. 

It's literally nobody elses business what you had done on your hair and for how much. At the end of the day, you don't tell them how to spend their money and nobody has the right to tell you what you should spend yours on and how much. Using the car example, people are happy to finance stupid crap all the time with diminishing value but somehow think an investment into your own self image and confidence isn't worth more than X? Get outta here(!) 

For hair loss it's as simple as follows:

#1 - Try hair restoration first. Finasteride/Dutasteride, Minoxodil, Microneedling & Ketoconazole shampoo etc. 

#2 - After 12+ months of evaluating your hair loss progression/stability, do research and book with a reputable clinic for what cannot be achieved without a hair transplant 

Not every person will be a good responder to medication and sometimes by extension they could also become a bad candidate for a hair transplant. That's an unfortunate life reality. That doesn't mean you should think that's all your life has worth in though. 

There are alternative options like a hair system if it really bothers you or the bald look you could try use. 

In any situation, you have to make your peace with where you're at. That's again, just life. There's guys here who if they could and probably 95% of guys if possible would with unlimited grafts go for a lower sharper looking hairline that's packed dense as their natural hair was before hair loss hit. 

However, it's currently a pipe dream, that's why they say to set realistic expectations. 

[Hayden87]

1 hour ago, Inch6 said:

Yea I've spent many hours by know reading reviews at forums and also hair mill google reviews, while many of them has high scores (4+ out of 5) with hundreds of ratings, there is actually a pretty considerable precentage of people that's been traumatized and destroyed, and I have to agree that the top clinic has much much less of such negative reviews. I could basically increase my budget with ease but I'm a cheap ass and dont like to spend more money if I dont have to. That's why I put ~ 3000 dollars... But I will most probably increase it and avoid telling others that I've spent so much on my hair.

If you spend more money and get a fantastic result, please don't go telling people you only spent $3000, as you are then creating the expectation in other people that they can get a great result for $3k. Then if they (hopefully) come here before flying off to Turkey, we will end up answering all the same questions again.

[TorontoMan]

15 hours ago, Inch6 said:

I will tell you this, I were pretty confident, almost 90% sure that I were going to spend maximum 3000 dollars on a hair transplant before I opened this thread, but that number has been dropped to zero right now. I'm revaulating my stance and right now it seems that I might just increase my budget because I didnt realize that it were such a high risk with a hair mill. I've seen so many bad ht the last couple of hours and it's pretty scary. I previously thought that it only were the recipient result that could be bad and that I could deal with that with another ht, but there seems to be an awful lot of case were people been butchered for life.   

This industry is screwed tbh. There are actually only a handful of surgeons in the entire world capable of performing a surgery worth having. You have to not only consider the way you might scar and the appearance of your donor if it looks depleted, but also the whole thing is a delicate numbers game. We have a limited amount of donor to fill potentially a larger surface area, so the extraction, survival and placement of every graft is going to matter if you're going to get a result that you will be happy about and that will last. Take your time, research and definitely save up some more money. Like someone said, you only see the tip of the iceberg for all the horrible results some guys get. 

[NARMAK]

1 hour ago, TorontoMan said:

This industry is screwed tbh. There are actually only a handful of surgeons in the entire world capable of performing a surgery worth having. You have to not only consider the way you might scar and the appearance of your donor if it looks depleted, but also the whole thing is a delicate numbers game. We have a limited amount of donor to fill potentially a larger surface area, so the extraction, survival and placement of every graft is going to matter if you're going to get a result that you will be happy about and that will last. Take your time, research and definitely save up some more money. Like someone said, you only see the tip of the iceberg for all the horrible results some guys get. 

I get where you're coming from but i genuinely don't believe we have a bleak future ahead of us. 

At present hair clinics that are competent are being outnumbered with hair mills because of demand being higher than ever, but if we can hopefully get reputable clinics that can expand by making sure quality control and so on is there, we can hopefully get more reputable and cheaper clinics. 

Right now, Dr Konior, Couto etc. charge what they can because of demand and that's not going down. If anything it increased and will stay high pricing out places. Even Dr Bicer etc. in Turkey are putting their prices up but are still reasonable. 

Long term, i would probably guess Stemson and robotic FUE with AI based algorithms are probably going to become the defacto future replacing doctors and technicians largely in the process to make it cheap and affordable. It will probably take 30 years or so from now to make it all a reality though. Stemson getting to human trials and approval could be 5-8 years. Then we have to wait for them to find a way to scale it and reduce it down in cost and increase yields. 

FUE robots customised and properly able to implant with AI need to be developed. 

The final option could be maybe a way to let top Doctors and clinics somehow get the grafts and implant them in the more traditional way. 

Imo, my biggest concern is whether we can programme FUE robots to be able to implant in a natural looking way around the frontal hairline. 

[Dillpickle123]

There probably Less then 100 surgeons worldwide maybe less then 50 that can be trusted to give you an good result so research is crucial besides with 3k if your a low Norwood you can get a good result