rahal or Konior for FUE?

[SySperling10]

 

That said Vories has apparently abandoned Neograft ( thank goodness!) and adopted Lorenzo's technique of manual extraction using .8mm punches and the implanter pen. I have not seen enough of his results to endorse him or know what his rates are' date=' but he is on the right track. It is also my understanding that he went to Madrid to personally observe Lorenzo's clinic which indicates a certain degree of dedication.[/quote']

 

I can confirm Dr. Vories did in fact personally observe Lorenzo and his clinic some time back. He referenced the technique and benefits of the implanter pen over lunch during my transplant. I was sold on his technique anyway, this gave me additional piece of mind, knowing he is adopting innovation used by top surgeons, which only speaks well for his approach.

[KO]

Vories is still using Neograft for punching and has been using the Lion implanter since his induction here.

[SySperling10]

Vories is still using Neograft for punching and has been using the Lion implanter since his induction here.

 

I don't know enough about Neograft, but I don't believe he used it during my procedure. None of the tools in his procedure room resemble images found in a "neograft" Google search.

[2youngforthis]

Well I have done more research and talked to this Drs. After all the nonsense here is it comes down to. If you plan to cut your hair very short get an fue. If not fut is fine. In regards to dr k performing an fue. Well I cam say everyone sees his work. If he can damn sure place a graft up front and is known for his hairlines. Why would you think he can't remove the follical from an fue. I think I would go fut dr k. Then and fue later

[ftbpicks]

I went from this to this in 6 months with Dr Rahal. I would also add that I would bet you would get very similar results with Dr K as well , as from all the hundreds of posts I have read about both doctors they both are some of the bests surgeons in the world of hair transplants.

 

I think the weak Canadian dollar will help push more to Dr Rahal right now as it is almost a 30% savings if you come from the USA or are Canadian and are thinking of having to go to Chicago.

[MAGNUMpi]

 

ftbpicks, Thats an amazing result! and after only 6 months!! You chose well.

[matt3480]

Wanted to chime in here since I just had a FUE with Dr. K.

 

I get the impression he does more FUT's but that is because it makes more sense for most of the patients he sees regarding their goals (most patients want to keep cost down and they want to get as many grafts as possible since it's probably a stand alone procedure...not to mention they wear their hair longer and aren't worried about a scar). Also, keep in mind he does the extracting and planting in FUE....so it's probably an easier procedure on him, too. That's a LOT of labor.....and he is VERY meticulous. He wouldn't do FUE if he couldn't it top-notch.

 

As for pictures (or lack of) for his FUE results, I get the impression most of his patients are word of mouth referrals from past patients (and what better form of marketing is there than word of mouth)? Just because Rahal does 10 FUE's a week doesn't make him a specialist anymore than anyone else. Dr. K does one surgery a day....and I saw a quote from him by another patient that he would rather "turn out one Ferrari a day than 3 or 4 Fords".

 

Dr. K seems VERY humble.....especially when he is one of the founders of the Board of Hair Restoration, has published articles/books on hair transplantation, and is on the board I believe at Loyola Medical (one of top medical schools in the country). The guy literally has no wall space left because of all the plaques/awards/accomplishments (and he will tell you he didn't really want to hang them up but others thought it would look good). He just isn't that guy who feels the need to post every single picture of his work to get patients in the door......when we've all seen pics and know what he does. Do you see Ferrari or Bentley posting ads to come buy their cars? Um, no. You know what the gold standard is....they don't need to talk you into it or market their cars.

 

I'm not saying doctors, etc. who talk on the forums have hidden agendas....but make no mistake, it is their form of marketing. Like I said...the fact that not only are most of Dr. K's patients word of mouth but that he is like 3-4 months booked in advance tells you something. I literally have never read one bad thing about Konior...this tells you something in this age of internet/forum chatter. I think the worst thing I've read were posts dated from like 2003 that simply said he wasn't doing solely hair (he was doing plastic surgery, too, way back then).

 

2youngforthis....you said it. If you are younger and probably more apt to wear your hair short....he will recommend FUE. If you wear your hair longer, he will recommend strip. It's cheaper, it's faster, it gets you more grafts in a day.....that being said, if you want to do FUE...he is all for it and ready to put in a 15 hour day if need be (my FUE was literally 15 hours I think....and it was last second change of plans....meaning morning of surgery).

 

I'm sure there are a lot of good doctors out there....but I'll go with someone who has the credentials he has, who does the work himself, and has the results he has. Like I said, I might not see Ferrari ads in the local paper....but I do know if I were to get in one, there would be no better quality.

 

[hairweare]

I agree with most of your assessment but FUE when done well is still the superior procedure. Most young patients do not take into consideration that their hair loss will be progressive and even after it appears to stabilize will likely continue to accelerate later in life. The scar may not bother you today but more than likely one day it will. With a single exception that I am aware of, FUE is too expensive in NA. It is no big deal to travel abroad for a procedure that will forever after affect you.

[lakelife]

Matt1164,

 

If you are in the states you should talk to Dr. Vories at Carolina Hair Surgery. I just had 2000 FUE 3 weeks ago and the results are already great. He is the only doc in the usa that personally manually extracts (no neograph) and personally places all graphs for $4 per graph. I have a different perspective on surgery abroad; would you go abroad for any other surgeries? I would not. Good luck on your search...

[ontop]

That cheap for USA I must say.

[matt1164]

at this point I am going with rahal or konior or both. my date with konior is in july and I have a date with rahal in sept.

 

at this point I am sure either one will do a great job.

 

Like matt said Dr. K wouldn't do FUE unless he could get a top notch result. Dr. K did turn me down 2 years ago because he felt I had a weak donor. he was the only Dr to turn me down. I took propecia like he advised and my donor has gotten a lot better and he said that I am now a candidate.

 

I am confident in either doc. I am only getting 1000 grafts in my hairline which is a lot smaller than I normally see posted up on here. I guess I could have one dr. do the front of my head the another do the back. I could use maybe 500 grafts in the back .

 

Like I said I have no reservations about using either dr. Both of them are of the highest quality and I know I am in good hands.

[matt1164]

thanks matt for posting up in my thread. appreciate this response

 

 

Wanted to chime in here since I just had a FUE with Dr. K.

 

I get the impression he does more FUT's but that is because it makes more sense for most of the patients he sees regarding their goals (most patients want to keep cost down and they want to get as many grafts as possible since it's probably a stand alone procedure...not to mention they wear their hair longer and aren't worried about a scar). Also, keep in mind he does the extracting and planting in FUE....so it's probably an easier procedure on him, too. That's a LOT of labor.....and he is VERY meticulous. He wouldn't do FUE if he couldn't it top-notch.

 

As for pictures (or lack of) for his FUE results, I get the impression most of his patients are word of mouth referrals from past patients (and what better form of marketing is there than word of mouth)? Just because Rahal does 10 FUE's a week doesn't make him a specialist anymore than anyone else. Dr. K does one surgery a day....and I saw a quote from him by another patient that he would rather "turn out one Ferrari a day than 3 or 4 Fords".

 

Dr. K seems VERY humble.....especially when he is one of the founders of the Board of Hair Restoration, has published articles/books on hair transplantation, and is on the board I believe at Loyola Medical (one of top medical schools in the country). The guy literally has no wall space left because of all the plaques/awards/accomplishments (and he will tell you he didn't really want to hang them up but others thought it would look good). He just isn't that guy who feels the need to post every single picture of his work to get patients in the door......when we've all seen pics and know what he does. Do you see Ferrari or Bentley posting ads to come buy their cars? Um, no. You know what the gold standard is....they don't need to talk you into it or market their cars.

 

I'm not saying doctors, etc. who talk on the forums have hidden agendas....but make no mistake, it is their form of marketing. Like I said...the fact that not only are most of Dr. K's patients word of mouth but that he is like 3-4 months booked in advance tells you something. I literally have never read one bad thing about Konior...this tells you something in this age of internet/forum chatter. I think the worst thing I've read were posts dated from like 2003 that simply said he wasn't doing solely hair (he was doing plastic surgery, too, way back then).

 

2youngforthis....you said it. If you are younger and probably more apt to wear your hair short....he will recommend FUE. If you wear your hair longer, he will recommend strip. It's cheaper, it's faster, it gets you more grafts in a day.....that being said, if you want to do FUE...he is all for it and ready to put in a 15 hour day if need be (my FUE was literally 15 hours I think....and it was last second change of plans....meaning morning of surgery).

 

I'm sure there are a lot of good doctors out there....but I'll go with someone who has the credentials he has, who does the work himself, and has the results he has. Like I said, I might not see Ferrari ads in the local paper....but I do know if I were to get in one, there would be no better quality.

 

[matt1164]

Matt1164,

 

If you are in the states you should talk to Dr. Vories at Carolina Hair Surgery. I just had 2000 FUE 3 weeks ago and the results are already great. He is the only doc in the usa that personally manually extracts (no neograph) and personally places all graphs for $4 per graph. I have a different perspective on surgery abroad; would you go abroad for any other surgeries? I would not. Good luck on your search...

 

at this point I have two deposits down. one with dr rahal and one with dr. k. I am pretty much locked into them now. thanks though I have seen some good work coming out of vories lately and that is one heck of a price!

[ontop]

Very mature choices you made there buddy.

You be in safe hands in Both Drs.

Looking forward to see how all this plays out.

 

I for one wish you well.

[Thomas2012]

Matt 3480,

 

I couldn't agree more with your comments regarding Dr Konior. When I first was introduced to this form there were so many good comments and results coming from a lot of recommended doctors. It was easy to choose my first surgery because I was close to their clinic and they do great work. Before my second procedure I had a lot of time to research some of my deciding factors to go with Dr K. were the ones you mentioned:

1. He only does one surgery at a time and is there throughout the whole procedure. That in itself tells you

he is fully accountable for everything that happens. Other clinics choose to to mufltple procdures, but

that is their choice to let techs do the planting. On my first procedure there were two techs working

each side of my temporal points and they came out different because of that, much different.

2. There is no negatives on him. It seems some other clinics doing a lot of procedures have more

negatives than positives, but maybe that comes with the shear volume. Again, it is a choice other

doctors and clinics make. Dr K. has chose to control all outcomes because he the work himself and

stay small.

3. Like I said in a previous post. There are average, good, and gifted doctors....just like any profession.

You look at his results, his care, and his professionalism and I think is is gifted. Period.

[zx_toth]

Mercedes? BMW? I think you will be happy with either surgeon and their results.

 

It is pretty cool though that Dr. Konior does all the extractions and implantations though.

[chrisdav]

All mentioned above do good Fue.

[hsrp10]

For total overall patient experience including amazing results I don't think Dr. Konior can be beat.

Also can't argue with Dr. Bisanga being "the man" for FUE.

 

Unfortunately Dr. Rahal's office took my deposit based on a mistake/miscommunication several years ago which they refused to refund. I know they produce very dense results but still am not happy about that obviously.

 

just my personal experiences

[Bronte]

Yes same here I booked with Rahal and had to cancel due to a death in the family gave five weeks notice and he still would not return my 1000 dollar deposit..

 

I still rate his work but I was pretty disappointed.

[hsrp10]

And you and I are not the only ones if you do a search on it, the lesson for others is don't make a final booking or make payment with Rahal unless you are 100% certain you will not change your plans.

Results seem solid though.