Senior Member MAGNUMpi Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 two men enter, one man leaves Who do you think would walk out alive? Judges score on FUE: 1. Yield 2. hairline design 3. patient after care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member StaggerLee123 Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 Shapiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member chrisdav Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 Both excellent. It is purely subjective. 2 poor unsatisfactory hair transplants performed in the UK. Based on vast research and meeting patients, I travelled to see Dr Feller in New York to get repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Shapiro shapiro are not on his shortlist. in terms of hairline design i think feriduni's are more aesthetic where bisanga's are more conservative with less closure on the temples. with yield i think bisanga is a hair in front in terms of consistency but i have seen less bisanga cases so the percentage may be the same. in after care ive heard both are great but its the pre op care that feriduni wins at. he spent 32 minute with me via skype to discuss my situation and was comforting and knew how to make someone feel better. all questions answered in detail and at no point was i ever asked to pay a deposit to secure a date. try get some other drs to have a skype consult and you will get shrugged off. feriduni actually requested a skype cobsult and knew my history from emails to his reps. he takes with each patient and actually listens. even accomodated for my choice of hairline where other doctors stuck with their preferance. both are amazing at fue and are among the top 5 fue surgeons in the world but feriduni is in a class of his own when it comes to patient care. Edited February 1, 2013 by Mickey85 The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member orlhair1 Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 It is a matter of personal choice. They both have excellent reputations. Advice about two surgeons with great reputations is helpful, but just consult with both and decide who you are most comfortable with. I don't think there is a "winner" between them for the questions you asked. You can't make a bad choice when you narrow your choices to top clinics. Good luck with your decision! Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUT 6/14/11 - 3048 grafts Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUE 1/28/13 & 1/29/13 - 1513 grafts http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/orlhair1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member JohnnyDrama Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 To be fair Mickey......I reckon he weighed up many FUE options, and narrowed it down to these two clinics (maybe a geographical factor), and wants opinions on each. I'm interested in finding out more on these guys, as I'm currently sending pics to select clinics to get an assessment of my situation! 2,200 FUE + PRP with Dr Bisanga - BHR Clinic, 22-23 August 2013 - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/171950-my-fue-2-200-prp-dr-bisanga-bhr-clinic.html Current Regimen: - Rogaine 5% Foam 2x daily - Jasons Restorative Biotin Shampoo 2x daily / Nizoral 2% 2x weekly - Nettle Root 500mg, MSM 1500mg, Biotin 5mg, Multi Vit, Omega 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 To be fair Mickey......I reckon he weighed up many FUE options, and narrowed it down to these two clinics (maybe a geographical factor), and wants opinions on each. I'm interested in finding out more on these guys, as I'm currently sending pics to select clinics to get an assessment of my situation! I wasnt suggresting Shapiro. i was replying to staggerlee when he simply said "shapiro" when it was obvious that magnun had narrowed down his list to two excellent fue choices. The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member JohnnyDrama Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 I wasnt suggresting Shapiro. i was replying to staggerlee when he simply said "shapiro" when it was obvious that magnun had narrowed down his list to two excellent fue choices. Sorry, I didn't see his post. You have the same idea as me then! 2,200 FUE + PRP with Dr Bisanga - BHR Clinic, 22-23 August 2013 - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/171950-my-fue-2-200-prp-dr-bisanga-bhr-clinic.html Current Regimen: - Rogaine 5% Foam 2x daily - Jasons Restorative Biotin Shampoo 2x daily / Nizoral 2% 2x weekly - Nettle Root 500mg, MSM 1500mg, Biotin 5mg, Multi Vit, Omega 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HARIRI Posted February 1, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 I agree with Mickey85. As an overall surgeon i am more into Dr. Feriduni especially when it comes to strip surgeries and repairs. However when it comes to large FUE sessions and BHT then Bisanga wins. The good thing is that they both use manual techinique with the smallest available punch. In my case Im planning to go for both if them. First for a scar revision via strip and hairline repair for my weak right side with FUE out the lower hairline grafts prior Rahal session. Then in the future for any additional Crown FUE or Beard hair into the revised scar then its gonna be eith Bisanga. You chose the best hair transplant surheons in Europe. However i lean more into Feriduni especially when it comes to patient care Plug removal + Strip scar revision - Dr. Ali Karadeniz (AEK)- May 23, 2015 Plug removal + 250 FUE temple points- Dr. Hakan Doganay (AHD)- July 3, 2013 Scar Tricopigmentation- Dr. Koray Erdogan (ASMED)- May 3, 2013 2500 FUT (Hairline Repair)- Dr. Rahal- July 26, 2011 My Hair Treatments: 1- Alpecin Double Effect Shampoo (Daily) 2- Regaine Solution Minoxidil 5% (2 ml once a day) 3- GNC Ultra NourishHair™ (Once a day) 4- GNC Herbal Plus Standardized Saw Palmetto (Once a day) My Rahal HT thread http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/164456-2500-fut-dr-rahal-hairline-repair.html[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MAGNUMpi Posted February 1, 2013 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks Guys, he spent 32 minute with me via skype to discuss my situation and was comforting and knew how to make someone feel better. all questions answered in detail and at no point was i ever asked to pay a deposit to secure a date. try get some other drs to have a skype consult and you will get shrugged off. feriduni actually requested a skype cobsult and knew my history from emails to his reps.Thats pretty cool... However when it comes to large FUE sessions and BHT then Bisanga wins.HARIRI what are we talking about here? 2000 and above? Thanks again Guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNX1 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) shapiro are not on his shortlist. no hes not. not even close. if I were to chose one or the other id say bisnaga Edited February 2, 2013 by GNX1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Plausibleboss Posted February 2, 2013 Regular Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 no hes not. not even close. if I were to chose one or the other id say bisinga Totally agree with you. Work by Bisnaga and Feriduni are second to none. I have seen work by Shapiro and it looks execrable from the number of grafts he use and they use motorized punch. If anybody is thinking of getting a FUE, only 2 choices. Bisnaga and Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member chrisdav Posted February 2, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 Plausible Boss, Have you seen work in person from the other surgeons you have mentioned? 2 poor unsatisfactory hair transplants performed in the UK. Based on vast research and meeting patients, I travelled to see Dr Feller in New York to get repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member JohnnyDrama Posted February 2, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 Totally agree with you. Work by Bisnaga and Feriduni are second to none. I have seen work by Shapiro and it looks execrable from the number of grafts he use and they use motorized punch. If anybody is thinking of getting a FUE, only 2 choices. Bisnaga and Feriduni Again not wanting to derail this from the ops original post......but surely Bhatti is worth a mention? Have been nothing but impressed with his work and I think he is my most likely option right now if I get a HT done in a few months. 2,200 FUE + PRP with Dr Bisanga - BHR Clinic, 22-23 August 2013 - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/171950-my-fue-2-200-prp-dr-bisanga-bhr-clinic.html Current Regimen: - Rogaine 5% Foam 2x daily - Jasons Restorative Biotin Shampoo 2x daily / Nizoral 2% 2x weekly - Nettle Root 500mg, MSM 1500mg, Biotin 5mg, Multi Vit, Omega 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member orlhair1 Posted February 2, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 Agree that Bisanga and Ferudini are among the best doing FUE, so the original posters choices are great ones. For people to say that these are the only choices for FUE or to disparage work by surgeons widely considered among the best in their field worldwide is simply without any merit and not helpful. But if thie original poster makes his choice among the two surgeons he narrowed it down to with his research he will be making a great choice. Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUT 6/14/11 - 3048 grafts Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUE 1/28/13 & 1/29/13 - 1513 grafts http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/orlhair1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted February 2, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 Agree that Bisanga and Ferudini are among the best doing FUE, so the original posters choices are great ones. For people to say that these are the only choices for FUE or to disparage work by surgeons widely considered among the best in their field worldwide is simply without any merit and not helpful. But if thie original poster makes his choice among the two surgeons he narrowed it down to with his research he will be making a great choice. I do agree that some comments were not needed, including Staggerlee's comment which is not helpful at all considering Magnum has narrowed his search down. I'd like to see this thread get back on topic and not see it high-jacked into a discussion about Shapiro. The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member orlhair1 Posted February 2, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 I do agree that some comments were not needed, including Staggerlee's comment which is not helpful at all considering Magnum has narrowed his search down. I'd like to see this thread get back on topic and not see it high-jacked into a discussion about Shapiro. I agree the thread should stay on point to Magnum's question. That is what I did in my first post in this thread and that was my point in my last post. Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUT 6/14/11 - 3048 grafts Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUE 1/28/13 & 1/29/13 - 1513 grafts http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/orlhair1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HARIRI Posted February 2, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 2, 2013 Shapiro and Rahal are using motorized tool and Rahal lately purchased an ARTAS Robot to increse number of surgeries per day. Manual FUE is only practiced these days in Europe and thats why docs like Bisanga Feriduni and Mwamba are raising the bar in this modern method which requires patience and state of art. North America in my opinion is very commercial and most of the time there are 2 patients a time. MAGNUMpi give us your final decision buddy and why... Honestly that is a hell of a cage match lol... Plug removal + Strip scar revision - Dr. Ali Karadeniz (AEK)- May 23, 2015 Plug removal + 250 FUE temple points- Dr. Hakan Doganay (AHD)- July 3, 2013 Scar Tricopigmentation- Dr. Koray Erdogan (ASMED)- May 3, 2013 2500 FUT (Hairline Repair)- Dr. Rahal- July 26, 2011 My Hair Treatments: 1- Alpecin Double Effect Shampoo (Daily) 2- Regaine Solution Minoxidil 5% (2 ml once a day) 3- GNC Ultra NourishHair™ (Once a day) 4- GNC Herbal Plus Standardized Saw Palmetto (Once a day) My Rahal HT thread http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/164456-2500-fut-dr-rahal-hairline-repair.html[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member chrisdav Posted February 3, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 3, 2013 Totally agree with you. Work by Bisnaga and Feriduni are second to none. I have seen work by Shapiro and it looks execrable from the number of grafts he use and they use motorized punch. If anybody is thinking of getting a FUE, only 2 choices. Bisnaga and Feriduni PlausibleBoss, Have you seen work performed in person by all of the surgeons stated, and if so, how many different patients from each clinic? There is a guy on another forum who recently had Fue work done by Dr B and stated that he has botched him. He now wishes he had gone with Ron Shapiro, and is planning a repair with him already. I think it is unfair to make a statement like that. ......but surely Bhatti is worth a mention? Regarding Dr Bhatti, presenting a hand picked selection of his best work to a forum does not prove that the surgeon is consistently doing great work. I think this issue is very much misunderstood: Just because a clinic presents work to a forum does not demonstrate consistency. It proves what can be achieved in the best case scenario- ie best work. The only way you can get a good estimate of what the clinic's consistency is like is if they will regularly encourage their patient's to share their experience and update a blog regularly. A clinic's reputation is therefore on the line a regular basis, which could potentially make or break them. The sample will give a more realistic estimate of what the clinic's work is really like and hence one of the reasons why I went with Dr Feller, as he has hundreds of them across different forums. What would you think if the clinic was selling you a procedure that actually generated good to excellent results only 67% of the time, but claimed they could hit 97%. How would a patient know that though if they only ever present a very small subset of their best yearly work. Knowing that, how would you feel if you went through an emotional 12 month, rollercoaster process, and be out of several thousands of dollars/pounds/euros and have what is a small, limited donor supply reduced even further? Stellar reputations are built up over years and years of solid, consistent work. 2 poor unsatisfactory hair transplants performed in the UK. Based on vast research and meeting patients, I travelled to see Dr Feller in New York to get repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member orlhair1 Posted February 3, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 3, 2013 Excellent points Chrisdav. Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUT 6/14/11 - 3048 grafts Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUE 1/28/13 & 1/29/13 - 1513 grafts http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/orlhair1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MAGNUMpi Posted February 3, 2013 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 3, 2013 Thanks for all the great answers guys. I haven't made my final decision yet but if I go FUE I think I'm leaning towards Feriduni (because of hairline design) ...and if I end up going FUT I'm thinking Konior (same reason, + great graft placement) but then there's Lorenzo......hhhmmmm. I should have added him into the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNX1 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Again not wanting to derail this from the ops original post......but surely Bhatti is worth a mention? Have been nothing but impressed with his work and I think he is my most likely option right now if I get a HT done in a few months. I agree. and considering he is 1/5th the price of most other quality clinics he is certainly worth mentioning. it will only a matter of time before his name is mentioned with all other world class FUE clinics. and of course Dr. Umar is up there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted February 4, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 4, 2013 Thanks for all the great answers guys.I haven't made my final decision yet but if I go FUE I think I'm leaning towards Feriduni (because of hairline design) ...and if I end up going FUT I'm thinking Konior (same reason, + great graft placement) but then there's Lorenzo......hhhmmmm. I should have added him into the fight. It's up to you whether you choose FUT or FUE. Just research ALOT on the drawbacks of both procedures, my sentiments on both are pretty clear. In regards to Lorenzo, the man is sooooo busy. I don't mean that as a bad thing either but I did head he was booked out for the whole of 2013 but this could be hearsay. Given that he practices FUE exclusively, his experience would be immense. Suffice to say, he is probably the best FUE surgeon in the world although I like Feriduni's hairlines better. The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MAGNUMpi Posted February 4, 2013 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 4, 2013 I WANT to go FUE but I also want a solid healthy yield. Rats.. that's the gamble, the possible trade off. If Im going to lose more hair into my 60's maybe FUT is smarter so I'll have more hairs available. I would just have to cross my fingers about the scar not stretching. That seems sketchy though....a real rough gamble. I WISH that FUE was more consistent in regards to yield. I would be having it done today.... I want to avoid possible touch-up/2nd touch-up deal if the FUE doesn't grow well. That's years out of my life that I don't want to shaved down for. The research continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted February 4, 2013 Senior Member Share Posted February 4, 2013 I WANT to go FUE but I also want a solid healthy yield. Rats.. that's the gamble, the possible trade off. If Im going to lose more hair into my 60's maybe FUT is smarter so I'll have more hairs available. I would just have to cross my fingers about the scar not stretching. That seems sketchy though....a real rough gamble. I WISH that FUE was more consistent in regards to yield. I would be having it done today....I want to avoid possible touch-up/2nd touch-up deal if the FUE doesn't grow well. That's years out of my life that I don't want to shaved down for. The research continues. You will cross your fingers that the FUE yield will be great, you will cross your fingers you will get a pencil thin scar. Either way there is no guarantee sadly. I took the gamble with FUT and lost. I won't persuade you one way or the other, someone persuaded me to go one way and I regret it immensely. Think hard about the possible ramifications/pitfalls of each procedure. Can you live with a potential stretched scar? Can you live with the perceived lower yield of FUE? Naturally you would want FUE with 100% yield, but in the event that doesn't happen(I highly doubt any procedure is 100% yield anyway) what would you prefer? The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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