Bill - Seemiller

Guys,

I agree that in this case, the after photos are not ideal and it would certainly be much better if pictures were taken with the hairline combed back so we could genuinely appreciate the results. But we also have to remember that Dr. Arocha has a long history of producing outstanding results and an excellent online reputation for being amongst the best.   Therefore, there is no reason to think that anyone from the clinic Is trying to deceive. 

The truth is, many surgeons are hard pressed for help and try to do everything with only a few people helping them. Sure, they may have a number of technicians doing surgery, but when it  comes to office management, many surgeons lack knowledgeable help to take and present outstanding photos along with other aspects of the business.   Dr. Arocha has always been one of these people. In my opinion,   He is an outstanding surgeon and one of the nicest, most genuine people you’ll ever meet.    But it’s obvious that he needs a little help from someone knowledgeable about taking and presenting optimal photos.   Once he does this, I’m sure we will truly be able to appreciate his outstanding results  which I’m sure includes this one. 

Regarding the number of grafts, 1800 is a relatively small number and even though the area to cover is small, I trust that the patient met the appropriate conditions for a densely packed hairline.     Perhaps Dr. Arocha or one of the staff can explain these conditions to address any concerns  

Best wishes,

Bill

12 hours ago, jj51702 said:

Bill, just wondering....do you use text to speech or something? Your posts are confusing at times and the words jacked up. Who is the “her” you keep referring to?

There were actually very few mistakes in the above and “her“ was only said twice.   I suggest actually responding to the sustenance of the topic Redman point out the very few mistakes that were made via speech to text. 

In my opinion, Dr. Erdogan  has always been a standup surgeon and  he deeply cares about his patients and the quality of service he provides. In fact, you don’t know how many times he’s invited both Melvin and I to come visit his clinic at his expense to evaluate the quality of service he provides. 

 Also, the number of positive reviews and experiences far outweigh the negative ones we’ve seen posted. And many of the so-called negative ones have not been substantiated as many of the the patients have not chosen to reveal themselves. 

Understand that nobody is defending a bad hair transplant. However, even the best surgeons have cases of less than desirable results and this is just the way it is. 

So as patients, are we to crucify a surgeon when a case that isn’t perfect reveals itself? Or is it our job to support the patient and try to help them work out their concerns with the doctor? If the doctor is a standup surgeon, they will stand behind their patient and do the best they can to help them. 

 But we also have to understand that it isn’t normal for a doctor to give a full refund to a patient if some of the grafts don’t grow. Instead, most surgeons will do a free procedure to replace the ones that don’t grow and resolve any other concerns. 

That said, some surgeons do choose to give a free refund and that’s ok too. 

At the end of the day, I would rather see patient and quality surgeon work together to make the transplants better and resolve any concerns as they come up rather than stand against one another. 

 In this case I have seen Dr. Erdogan wrongfully attacked on too many occasions and I wish it would stop.  As for people who continue to create duplicate accounts, it obviously shows that their character is flawed. Perhaps they have multiple personality disorder or some other condition that shows that their psyche has fractured into multiple counterparts.    If somebody has been banned, there’s a good reason for it  so coming back just makes them look foolish. 

Just thought I would share my two cents here. 

Bill

I have gotten to the point where I have to create a post to address  The many seemingly fake and fictitious posts created by many different aliases claiming to be patience of a Clinic referred to as the Vera Clinic.   While I know nothing of the clinic of them selves and whether or not they perform top-notch hair transplant surgery, it has become obvious that they have launched a promotional/marketing campaign on this forum. 

 For starters, many of the aliases have the same IP address which shows that the posts are coming from the same computer or same network. This is an indication that the posts are fake and likely coming from the clinic themselves and not genuine patients.  

 Furthermore, none of the fictitious posters would provide photos and only create a general glowing review about how great they are without any surgical details, pictures, videos, etc. 

 But what was troublesome to me the most, was when one fictitious poster decided to throw in  A snide remark about a well known, world renowned Dr. recommended by this community. The individual said that they were considering this Vera clinic  and the other doctor and the other doctor replied with a “bad comment” whatever that means.   I am sorry, but taking a shot at another clinic is just as low as you can go, even lower than falsely promoting your own clinic.    No Clinic who is been contacted about a potential hair transplant will reply with a “bad comment”.  It simply doesn’t make any sense. 

Because members have already been caught using the same IP address,  if this continues, we will have to stop allowing discussion of this clinic on this forum. 

For now, the community will be watchful as to whether or not this behavior continues.  

Best Regards,

Bill

I’m seeing a lot of posts lately from a legend patients from this clinic claiming to have an outstanding experience an excellent results. The one thing that they all have in common is that nobody is showing photos. So are you all genuine patients? Or is this the clinic spamming the community in order to promote themselves?

 While I like to try to give members the benefit of the doubt,  nobody is going to believe this is a genuine experience if you don’t actually share surgical details and post photos. And considering how many have posted recently, it really looks like spam. Maybe you’ll get these reviews listed in the search engines, I want to people click on them and see the replies, nobody will believe they are real.    In fact, it might even make the clinic look bad because anyone who has to create fake reviews to promote them selves may not be doing top-notch hair transplant surgery. 

If you are genuine, come back and post some photos and share actual surgical details. 

Bill

@Nebulosity,

 Frankly, I think it’s absolutely ridiculous that you are trying to convince a happy patient that he should be unhappy. His expectations were met and realistically, there’s only so much that can be accomplished with a certain number of graphs and a certain degree of baldness. If you understood that concept, you would understand why the patient has every right to be happy. 

While members of this community are welcome to share their genuine opinions, good or bad, trying to persuade a patient that he should be unhappy is just blatantly inappropriate and clearly agenda driven.   

Therefore, it is best that you find another community to post on 

Bill

@Mohamed Saleh,

As you can see above, you are being suspected as not genuine and a spammer. I will give you the benefit of the doubt however, I do ask that you share an actual experience along with photos which will go on much longer way then posting a general review which looks more like promotional propaganda. If you are truly a genuine patient, then congratulations. But please share your actual experience along with photos so that we can actually see your results  

Best regards,

Bill

Malik,

 Thanks for posting however, please only post one topic with your experience and not three. The fact that you posted multiple times and only provided general information with no pictures does come across as promotional rather than genuine. Now, if you are a genuine patient, congratulations. But I encourage you to share a detailed account of your actual experience along with photos showing the results. As they say, a picture is worth 1000 words. 

Bill

 Melvin, actually there is a difference and it’s related to the in active ingredients. For example, the liquid contains ingredient called propylene glycol  which has a tendency to irritate the scalp. The foam however, does not contain this ingredient and contains a superior delivery system, making  percentage of success higher with the foam in the liquid.

I suggest incorporating this into your article. 

Best,

Bill

 Well, it sure sounds promising but so many things have sounded promising over the last two decades and yet nothing has ever materialized into a treatment let alone a cure. So  I suppose we will see yet  again what happens with this.   But I certainly won’t hold my breath. 

Other thoughts? 

Best wishes,

Bill

@RameshK,

Although your post doesn’t really make sense, I imagine you’re trying to say that there are too many gaps in between the hairs.  However, nobody else seems to think this or agree with you. In fact, I happen to think the work looks very clean and I’m looking forward to seeing the end result.  

You are certainly entitled to your opinion however, I suggest you look at the pictures and detail again and see the responses posted by others also.  You are certainly in the minority with your opinion. 

Bill

Great topics. And I happen to agree that most people don’t have 8500 grafts available via FUE. I mean technically they do but if you want to minimize the appearance of scarring, there’s no way you can harvest 8500 follicular unit grafts from the donor area in most patients.  

But regarding how many hair transplants one and having a lifetime, clearly that does vary. For me I’ve already had four strict procedures and 9600 grafts. Ironically, I probably still have some available donor for strip but I think I would opt for FUE at this point now for several reasons.  

But in general, it’s difficult to put a number on how many procedures one can have because there are so many variables. The number of grafts available is easier to put an average on. 

Best wishes,

Bill

3 hours ago, hairlossPA said:

It comes down to this: you must wait the 12 months to give the new hairline and transplanted hairs a chance to grow and mature. Anything other than this is not fair to Dr. Bhatti. 

Now what should be an easy discussion and an easy point to make is getting the pictures of his extractions post op. I don’t know who to believe here, but it does seem like pretty common practice for Drs to do. This is where I would hope the moderators use their power with the Dr. However if Dr. Bhatti says he doesn’t have any, and he ends up finding some, that won’t look good on him.

I will admit I’ve seen better donors at 4.5 month post op. but there’s literally nothing you can do about it now, pictures or not 

Well said!

It’s interesting that people think I’m being harsh. The reality is, that there are far too many patients who are impatient and badmouth their surgeon only a couple months after surgery when much can happen between now and the end result between 12 and 18 months. The reality is, the donor area may not look great at the moment but can and will likely heal Immensely and look much better in time. So yes… I stand by what I said originally and feel that this patient should relax, take it easy and do his best to trust the process. If for some reason his donor doesn’t look good but the time the in result comes in,  i’m sure Dr. Bhatti will standby him and do what he can to make things right. 

Best wishes,

Bill

@Upshall,

 This is clearly not the first time you have criticized us and frankly, you clearly don’t have any respect for this community.   While I have no problem addressing questions and provide reasons for posts or comments I make, I’m not going to be bullied by someone who doesn’t respect me or the work we do on this community. Therefore, it is time for you to leave. 

Bill

On 1/20/2019 at 2:11 AM, Nebulosity said:

Let me change the topic of this thread to transplant hair removal and I’ll summarize what I’ve learned. If nothing else it’s kind of interesting.

There are several ways to raise a hairline, including 4 ways to remove individual implanted hairs. One way to raise the hairline is a brow lift, which in my opinion sounds gruesome. The other ways I know of involve removing or killing individual follicles: electrolysis, laser, FUE (with the option of skin micrografting to avoid scarring), and continuous plucking until there is no more regrowth. I’ve read a lot of conflicting statements about each one. For example, some people say that electrolysis causes scarring, others say it doesn’t have to, and some say that although it doesn’t cause scarring it can merely expose scars originally caused by implantation. Yet when I read about plucking on realself and other sources, many experts seem to indicate that it can eventually lead to complete hair removal without scarring, while yet others suggest that it could actually stimulate growth. Plucking doesn’t seem practical for more than a small number of hairs in any case.

My take is, maybe electrolysis causes or exposes tiny scars and what one would want to avoid is a contiguous pattern of scars, which would look unnatural. Trying it out on a few implanted hairs to see what happens is probably a good strategy. And before that, one might as well try plucking to see whether there is already a pinpoint scar (or pitting or cobblestoning) caused by the implantation itself. After that, one could perform electrolysis (or laser) on a few hairs and wait to see if there is scarring and how bad it is.

In the meantime, it is actually very popular these days for people with a NW0 to shave along their hairline, so shaving the parts of your hairline that you don’t like seems ok, even if it produces a 5 ‘o clock shadow.

I know there are docs that do FUE extraction along the hairline and use skin micrografts to prevent scarring, which may be a good option in limited cases I guess. I’m not sure if it would be practical or advisable for extensive cases. For extensive cases, I guess electrolysis is the best option, following the precautions I explained above. Dr Cooley seems to favor electrolysis. However, I think electrolysis would take many sessions to complete... so you would need to keep track of which hairs you want to remove. You’d sort of have to get to know each and every hair. Lol.

@Nebulosity,

 To be completely honest, I have no idea what you are talking about. You are about four months into your hair transplant and the very first day you posted you said you weren’t happy with your “results“. You clearly don’t understand that hair transplant results take a year to 18 months to grow in doesn’t make a lot of sense. You’re also now talking about hair transplant removal when your newly transplanted hair probably is only just starting to grow in if yet at all. 

Truthfully, I really don’t know how anybody here can help you if you don’t listen to reason. Now, I don’t know what conversations you had with the doctor but I do agree that he should at least try to address your concerns and answer your questions. However, you do not have any results yet to discuss and there’s nothing he can really do to satisfy your concerns except to tell you to wait, be patient and in another 8 to 10 months or so, you should be very happy with your results.

 So, I strongly suggest that you stop worrying so much, stop talking about failures and results when you should be only just starting to see first signs of new growth from your transplant from a couple months ago. Sit back, be patient, and enjoy some warm weather activities depending on your location and wait it out like everybody else had to. 

Best,

Bill

Spex,

Don’t appreciate your snide remark. If you have a question about something that has been edited, why not to be an adult professional and send a moderator a private message asking about it. Are you a team player or are you a self seeker peddling your own agenda?   I think the answer to that question is obvious. However, we have put up with it because you do provide some sound advice  and you haven’t blatantly broken any rules  

As for the editing, Dr. Hasson deleted his own posts.  So, it was no longer appropriate to host any replies to his posts including posts that quoted his deleted comments.    Frankly, this was obvious so I can’t imagine that you didn’t know this. But this that means that you were trying to stir the pot and become a poison and otherwise healthy well. And that will not be tolerated. I suggest sticking to the scope of the topic and be professional and your responses.   Frankly, this was obvious so I can’t imagine that you didn’t know this. But this that means that you were trying to stir the pot and become a poison and otherwise healthy well. And that will not be tolerated. I suggest sticking to the scope of the topic and be professional and your responses.  Do you have a question about something we’ve done, you can either ask us privately or even ask us publicly in a normal way. Snide or sarcastic comments just make you look like a fool.  

Regards,

Bill

@John Doe

 Congratulations on selecting an outstanding surgeon for your hair transplant. In addition to posting on our forum, I encourage you to create a  free patient website which is the best way to document your entire hair transplant journey with photos, videos, etc.  In fact, we recently overhauled them to make them not only mobile friendly, but essentially like an app that response so well that you can create and manage your website by tapping a few buttons.  By tapping a few buttons.  

Create your own website, simply go to www.hairlossweblogs.com. You can then take your patient website and link it to your form signature.   Or you can just link it directly into your post. There are instructions on how to do all that in the “hair transplant experiences and surgeon reviews“ forum up at the top. It’s a pinned topic.   For more instructions, feel free to ask.    You can find a link to my  I lost website and document a journey in my signature below. 

best wishes,

Bill

I personally tried both DermMatch and Toppik in the last bit for some reason I couldn’t feel comfortable with either.  I couldn’t find a color match for DermMatch and it just felt like I had makeup in my hair and I just felt like I couldn’t get enough Toppik in my head.  It still looked thin even after using a lot of Toppik.  But I now it gets who have had great experience with both and even others.   So don’t let me experience away you.  What about others?

Hi there, sorry for the delay in replying.  I’m personally not familiar with that medication and I’m guessing by the lack of replies that nobody who has read this can relate to so far. But it is a legitimate question and I think it should be discussed. For starters, perhaps you can tell us about the medication, what it is, what it does and why you are concerned about  it affecting a hair transplant.   If you are considering her transplant surgery, I do suggest consulting with a few top surgeons recommended by this community and asking them this question. I’m sure they would have a direct answer. 

Now, don’t take this as an answer but I would doubt that this or most medications would really affect your hair transplant unless it thins the blood in which case, there may be some complications during surgery. 

If anybody has any information on this medication or an answer to this question, please reply.

Best,

Bill

5 hours ago, kathyln said:

Yes, I wish to admit the fact that i too was suffering from type of hair loss called traction alopecia which arise due to high temperature on my curly hair. My dermatologist prescribed me a heat protecttion serum which is free from paraben. I would share here the serum for all those who have hair health issues its ORS heat protecting serum. Though its a serum, it is very good elixir for all hair issues as its paraben, ammonia and sulphate free.

@kathyln,

 Thanks but I’ve had to remove your promotional link from  your post. If you are genuine and interested in participating in discussion, that’s great. But please do not link to promotional products which looks like you’re just trying to pedal and sell it. 

Thanks,

Bill

 And the fact that the clinic you are referring to is in turkey… That’s another potential red flag. I’m not familiar with the clinic you mentioned but many clinics and turkey are turning patients over like a factory and operate in the “black market“.   Frankly, I would never recommend anybody go to Turkey for a hair transplant UNLESS it’s a surgeon we have already prescreen and approved recommendation.   That’s not to say there aren’t potentially other good surgeons there, just that we don’t know and there are a lot of black market clinics causing patients way more harm than good.  

Bill

Nasser,

Thanks for posting however, you sound like a walking advertisement for a vacation resort rather than a patient who just had a hair transplant who is sharing their genuine experience. 

 If you are indeed a genuine patient, I suggest sharing your actual experience, what it was like,  how you felt, how involved was the doctor, what the technicians did, how many grafts you received and where, etc.   and most importantly… Where are the photos? If you just had surgery, you should be able to post before and immediately postop pictures showing your procedure. And if you are concerned about your identity, you can always crop your face out of it.  

These so-called “glowing reviews“ simply appear fake and  nobody is going to believe it unless it’s backed up with a real experience at pictures. Maybe even a video. 

So let’s see the photos and hear about your actual experience if you are genuine 

Best,

Bill

I am posting again because I see that I must have not seen that the transplant and hair has grown a lot since the last time you posted. So yes, you are now satisfied because the transplanted hair is really taking off. At five months, it was typical not to see much gross but in only a month or two, your hair has sprouted big time. Do you see why people were telling you to relax?

 Don’t worry about editing your old posts, just keep updating the topic. In the meantime, it would be great if you would create your own  website to show off your progress and results to the world. Just go to www.hairlossweblogs.com and begin creating your website and documenting your results. 

best,

Bill

Haare,

 I see that you recorded somebody’s post because you don’t like what they had to say but realistically, I understand what they are saying. The truth is, there is no such thing as an intermediate result. There is the procedure, the progress and the results. You won’t see the results for 12 months.  

 I understand that you are anxious and a lot of people in your position is. But it is not a “bad result“ because the result hasn’t been seen yet. 

The truth is, many people don’t see many signs of growth  at this early stage and I suggest hanging in there and waiting to see how it turns out. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate you posting monthly pictures and hope you continue to do so. But in terms of the results… Don’t evaluated until at least 12 months. 

 Also, I encourage you to create a patient website which is the best way to share your progress, photos and videos. Simply go to www.hairlossweblogs.com and click “create website”.   There you will create an account and share your experience, procedure information and photos. You can even rate your surgeon although I suggest you do that when the results grow in another 7 to 8 months.  

When you’re done creating your patient website you could link it to your forum signature.   All you have to do is go under account settings or profile settings to update your signature and post a link to your patient website/blog 

Best,

Bill